how bad are amd's driver support issues?
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HughofArc
September 15, 2013 2:45:13 PM
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boboftw
September 15, 2013 4:22:58 PM
mehcrim
September 15, 2013 5:48:22 PM
As I just purchased a MSI GX60 3ae, is a slightly cheaper version of the 3be, with a 7970m instead of 8970 but with the the same CPU, I feel I should ask which games you intend to play (if that is your intention) as the CPU can be quite a bottleneck in CPU intensive games (like mmo's and large multiplayer games ie. 32vs32), but handles other games very well.
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HughofArc
September 16, 2013 12:02:48 AM
quotemsg=1154470 6,0, 207260]As I just purchased a MSI GX60 3ae, is a slightly cheaper version of the 3be, with a 7970m instead of 8970 but with the the same CPU, I feel I should ask which games you intend to play (if that is your intention) as the CPU can be quite a bottleneck in CPU intensive games (like mmo's and large multiplayer games ie. 32vs32), but handles other games very well.[/quotemsg]
I dont intend to play mmos and the like.
Mostly games like far cry 3, bioshock infinite and such. Would I have issues with those? For the price I'm paying, I'd like to eliminate potential for any problems as much as I can. Have you had any major issues?
I dont intend to play mmos and the like.
Mostly games like far cry 3, bioshock infinite and such. Would I have issues with those? For the price I'm paying, I'd like to eliminate potential for any problems as much as I can. Have you had any major issues?
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Mousemonkey said:
Kari said:
^^ninja editSo you have to downclock to avoid driver crashes and yet you reckon you have never seen driver problems? How does that work?
ah, it doesnt crash, The fan on it just gets a bit loud when it is running at 60%+
edit and just to make it clear, the driver doesnt crash when running at full tilt, nor when the flash is running to lower the clocks, if that's the way you understood it.
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Kari said:
Mousemonkey said:
Kari said:
^^ninja editSo you have to downclock to avoid driver crashes and yet you reckon you have never seen driver problems? How does that work?
ah, it doesnt crash, The fan on it just gets a bit loud when it is running at 60%+
edit and just to make it clear, the driver doesnt crash when running at full tilt, nor when the flash is running to lower the clocks, if that's the way you understood it.
Try running F@H and watching a flash video, see if you get a proper crash.
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Mousemonkey said:
Try running F@H and watching a flash video, see if you get a proper crash.
runs fine
lol imageshack needs me to register to get the darn links lol
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/o6hq.png/
there
yeah it's an 5770. but i didnt actually get it like yesterday u know... been running it for years, and boinc too...
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Kari said:
Mousemonkey said:
Try running F@H and watching a flash video, see if you get a proper crash.
runs fine
lol imageshack needs me to register to get the darn links lol
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/o6hq.png/
there
yeah it's an 5770. but i didnt actually get it like yesterday u know... been running it for years, and boinc too...
You're running Core16 not the OpenCL Core17 which is the one that actually works the GPU, set the beta flag then see what happens.
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Mousemonkey said:
Kari said:
Mousemonkey said:
Try running F@H and watching a flash video, see if you get a proper crash.
runs fine
lol imageshack needs me to register to get the darn links lol
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/o6hq.png/
there
yeah it's an 5770. but i didnt actually get it like yesterday u know... been running it for years, and boinc too...
You're running Core16 not the OpenCL Core17 which is the one that actually works the GPU, set the beta flag then see what happens.
lol wut?
100% load on the gpu as shown by gpu-z
and what beta flag where?
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Kari said:
Mousemonkey said:
Kari said:
Mousemonkey said:
Try running F@H and watching a flash video, see if you get a proper crash.
runs fine
lol imageshack needs me to register to get the darn links lol
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/o6hq.png/
there
yeah it's an 5770. but i didnt actually get it like yesterday u know... been running it for years, and boinc too...
You're running Core16 not the OpenCL Core17 which is the one that actually works the GPU, set the beta flag then see what happens.
lol wut?
100% load on the gpu as shown by gpu-z
Try it and you might see what I mean.
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Mousemonkey said:
Try it and you might see what I mean.
dont know how...
never used f@h before
but anyways you get a crash when running on some unstable beta stuff?
edit nope cant find anything about beta anything in there, nor core 16/17
edit I need to get some stuff done outside before it starts to rain here, will chek back at the evening.
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Kari said:
Mousemonkey said:
Try it and you might see what I mean.
dont know how...
never used f@h before
but anyways you get a crash when running on some unstable beta stuff?
edit nope cant find anything about beta anything in there, nor core 16/17
edit I need to get some stuff done outside before it starts to rain here, will chek back at the evening.
The crashes are not from running the beta because my Nvidia cards run it just fine but the AMD card that's not so good, which is odd because AMD cards are supposed to be better at OpenCL.
Where to set the beta flag:-
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Wheres my crash?
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9397/kqgr.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9397/kqgr.jpg
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Do you understand the concept of random crashes? And my flash vids have all been live TV streams not YT test vids.
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boboftw
September 16, 2013 3:44:53 PM
Mousemonkey said:
I have a single 7790 that gets random BSOD's and GSOD's and if you add the fact that it can't fold and run a flash video at the same time because the driver crashes then yes, AMD drivers are still rubbish and its only the fanATIc's that would say different.Try right click a flash video and turn off hardware acceleration.
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darkspartenwarrior
September 16, 2013 7:44:27 PM
boboftw said:
Only real issue with AMD drivers are with Crossfire cards but they've fixed it in the latest beta.Not exact fixed, but they are working on it. Currently the new beta drivers with frame pacing only work with DX10 and DX11, but not DX9. It also does not work with Eyefinity or 4K monitors.
I've used a lot of cards from both companies, and while AMD drivers are passable for single cards, I would not use them for multiple cards. Ultimately, I've never been completely satisfied by one AMD/ATI card, much less two, but I have been a couple of times with Nvidia. It is just the little things that get on my nerves after a while. AMD's driver support is mostly good, but there is always something that just doesn't quite work right.
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smeezekitty said:
I agree about dual cards is not quite there on AMD. But since this is a single GPU laptop, that doesn't matter.Yah, but even in single cards, they aren't usually quite as good, though good enough for most. I just tend to get annoyed by them by the time I upgrade and always end up switching back. That said, AMD has made some improvements lately, but I've said that a few times before.
That said, mobile support for both companies suck. Which sucks more is a different conversation than with desktop graphics cards. AMD may have far superior mobile drivers as far as I know, but they may blow the big one too. Generally speaking, neither company gives hardly any support for their mobile cards.
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boboftw
September 16, 2013 10:39:48 PM
smeezekitty said:
I agree about dual cards is not quite there on AMD. But since this is a single GPU laptop, that doesn't matter.Oh I didn't realize that.
To OP, just get a cheap notebook/netbook and make a gaming pc yourself. if size concerns you, just use a mitx case. You'll get more bang for your buck. I have a Lenovo notebook with an AMD card in it and I'm stuck on the original Lenovo drivers b/c notebook drivers blow.
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boboftw said:
Mousemonkey said:
I have a single 7790 that gets random BSOD's and GSOD's and if you add the fact that it can't fold and run a flash video at the same time because the driver crashes then yes, AMD drivers are still rubbish and its only the fanATIc's that would say different.Try right click a flash video and turn off hardware acceleration.
It doesn't make any difference, this card cannot fold and do video playback at the same time.
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Joeyy
November 22, 2013 6:34:45 PM
Sorry, but AMD is just a big Piece of Garbage. I have 2x AMD 6870 and they still don't work properly. On every Second Game, i face Huge Problems and I have to disable Crossfire (Big lags, strange Harddisc load, etc.). I tried every new Driver release and the Beta Drivers, and it's still Buggy as hell. The CCC is rubbish too, it's Buggy too and not well Programmed. I tried to Play COD Ghosts, and the AMD Drivers kept crashing, I tried one single Card and every possible fix but it didn't helped too (Ok, Cod Ghost is poorly programmed too). On my Research for the crashs, I found hundreds of Forum Answers with similar issues. I once was a big fan of ATi/AMD, because it supports 3 Monitors and even more in CF Mode, and the Performance is good, but the Driver and the Management Software is so poorly implemented, that I will Switch to Nvidia. And no, there wasn't a single Fix for my Problems in the last 3 Years, so don't tell People that AMD fix their bugs, it's just not true. Another Thing is, that you should never buy 2 or more GC, either CF nor SLI, it's just not worth it and you will loose a lot of time, Money and health by doing it. I tried to proof the opposit by using CF, but I failed. And until Today, there is no fix for the AMD Driver, it keeps crashing, and I did absolutely every tip i found in the net. I lost every trust in AMD Graphics and now I have two 200$ Graphic Cards laying around for nothing. I took an older Nvidia Card and had not a single Problem since then.
Fazit: There are heavy Problems witch AMD Cards, Drivers and Software. The chances are big that you will get Trouble if you buy one. This is at least my opinion.
Fazit: There are heavy Problems witch AMD Cards, Drivers and Software. The chances are big that you will get Trouble if you buy one. This is at least my opinion.
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Mousemonkey said:
boboftw said:
Mousemonkey said:
I have a single 7790 that gets random BSOD's and GSOD's and if you add the fact that it can't fold and run a flash video at the same time because the driver crashes then yes, AMD drivers are still rubbish and its only the fanATIc's that would say different.Try right click a flash video and turn off hardware acceleration.
It doesn't make any difference, this card cannot fold and do video playback at the same time.
tried returning it for another card? tried running a clean os install with nothing but os and amd driver installed (nothing else running like antivirus etc), it could just be a software clash.
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iam2thecrowe said:
Mousemonkey said:
boboftw said:
Mousemonkey said:
I have a single 7790 that gets random BSOD's and GSOD's and if you add the fact that it can't fold and run a flash video at the same time because the driver crashes then yes, AMD drivers are still rubbish and its only the fanATIc's that would say different.Try right click a flash video and turn off hardware acceleration.
It doesn't make any difference, this card cannot fold and do video playback at the same time.
tried returning it for another card? tried running a clean os install with nothing but os and amd driver installed (nothing else running like antivirus etc), it could just be a software clash.
What makes you think that I haven't tried that?
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corvetteguy1994
November 23, 2013 4:38:14 AM
corvetteguy1994 said:
i have 2 7970's in my main rig at a 5870 in my lan rig. never had a driver issue.Lucky you! Unfortunatley their drivers and or cards do still have issues as can be seen if you read the release notes of the latest beta :-
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Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.4 Driver for WindowsMay resolve intermittent black screens or display loss observed on some AMD Radeon R9 290X and AMD Radeon R9 290 graphics cards
Now that's looking like a description of what I was getting with the 7790 and is strangely similar to what's being talked about in this thread :- http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2322060
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Mousemonkey said:
corvetteguy1994 said:
i have 2 7970's in my main rig at a 5870 in my lan rig. never had a driver issue.Lucky you! Unfortunatley their drivers and or cards do still have issues as can be seen if you read the release notes of the latest beta :-
Quote:
Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.4 Driver for WindowsMay resolve intermittent black screens or display loss observed on some AMD Radeon R9 290X and AMD Radeon R9 290 graphics cards
Now that's looking like a description of what I was getting with the 7790 and is strangely similar to what's being talked about in this thread :- http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2322060
recently i had so many issues with my nvidia gtx660's i sold them and bought an amd card, and it does not crash to the desktop like my 660's did randomly (both cards individually as well as in sli), yet many people have had no issues with their 660's but some had the exact same issue as me. chances are it is a hardware clash with the specific hardware/software im running, if others dont have the problem. driver issues come from both sides, i can say that one is not worse than the other.
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iam2thecrowe said:
Mousemonkey said:
corvetteguy1994 said:
i have 2 7970's in my main rig at a 5870 in my lan rig. never had a driver issue.Lucky you! Unfortunatley their drivers and or cards do still have issues as can be seen if you read the release notes of the latest beta :-
Quote:
Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.4 Driver for WindowsMay resolve intermittent black screens or display loss observed on some AMD Radeon R9 290X and AMD Radeon R9 290 graphics cards
Now that's looking like a description of what I was getting with the 7790 and is strangely similar to what's being talked about in this thread :- http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2322060
recently i had so many issues with my nvidia gtx660's i sold them and bought an amd card, and it does not crash to the desktop like my 660's did randomly (both cards individually as well as in sli), yet many people have had no issues with their 660's but some had the exact same issue as me. chances are it is a hardware clash with the specific hardware/software im running, if others dont have the problem. driver issues come from both sides, i can say that one is not worse than the other.
Yeah strange that, my 660Ti's have been stellar but the 7790 got replaced by the old 560Ti because it can fold and run TV software at the same time, I do like the way that the AMD drivers have a fix for a problem that is said not to exist though!
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smeezekitty said:
New cards generally have some bugs. That is hardly a surprise and they fix them actively.As always your mileage may vary and what works for one person might not work for another but blind fanboyism gets you nowhere.
Would that be the kind that prevents them from acknowledging an issue that has been AMD cards for some time now?
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hypergon
November 24, 2013 2:14:23 AM
corvetteguy1994
November 24, 2013 4:21:00 AM
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