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September 15, 2013 3:19:58 PM

I have a build from my uncle and it has a Intel Core 2 DUO E4500 on an Asus p5KPL-CM mobo. The graphics card is a G33/G31 chipset. It's a really basic build with 4 GB of RAM and Vista 32-bit. I want to do some gaming like Black Ops 2 on medium or high. So my question is, should I change the 2.2 GHZ processor? Or change the whole mobo? It's an old one and has a LGA 775 socket so I can't do much. Oh and the graphics card is a problem too. All help is appreciated! Thanks :) 

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September 15, 2013 3:32:40 PM

welll we need budget
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September 15, 2013 3:40:09 PM

Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a new computer. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.
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September 15, 2013 6:13:39 PM

Applepienation said:
Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a CPU. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.

At that point it would not be worth it, replacing the 2 duo for an fx mean a new montherboard, the cpu itself, new ddr3 ram, and probably a new power supply as well. At that point all you need is the case, hdd, and graphics card to have a great pc. So in short, you are looking at a new pc, or an entire system overhaul, which is the same price as a new pc. Even for my old pc with a amd 810 quad core and a 5450 in it, it was cheaper to replace the whole system.
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September 15, 2013 6:19:56 PM

Gam3r01 said:
Applepienation said:
Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a CPU. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.

At that point it would not be worth it, replacing the 2 duo for an fx mean a new montherboard, the cpu itself, new ddr3 ram, and probably a new power supply as well. At that point all you need is the case, hdd, and graphics card to have a great pc. So in short, you are looking at a new pc, or an entire system overhaul, which is the same price as a new pc. Even for my old pc with a amd 810 quad core and a 5450 in it, it was cheaper to replace the whole system.


Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was trying to state that the 6300 would be a good starting point for a new computer, not an upgrade.
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September 15, 2013 6:22:00 PM

Ah, I thought you were saying it was a good starting point for upgrading that one, my bad. And yes, that is a good place to start, although fx-8000s might be dropping in prices by 2014, depending on how long he can hold out.
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September 16, 2013 7:23:26 PM

legokill101 said:
welll we need budget


$200, I know it's not alot but it's all I have right now.
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September 16, 2013 7:25:49 PM

Applepienation said:
Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a new computer. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.

I have a 350 watt power supply, not the best but good enough. Oh and a heatsink.
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September 16, 2013 7:34:05 PM

Is AMD good? I've heard a lot of crap about their processors and how they break easily. Oh and would overclocking help at all with the speed? I've been in BIOS and I was able to overclock it 30%, stable. I guess the best choice is to overhaul the whole system?
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September 16, 2013 7:43:08 PM

AMD is by no means bad, their products dont break, and last for years. AMD is arguably the best choice to go on a budget(I agree). Overclocking will help, but its not a solution, I will help slightly, but an overhaul is needed.
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September 16, 2013 7:45:03 PM

isa108 said:
Applepienation said:
Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a new computer. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.

I have a 350 watt power supply, not the best but good enough. Oh and a heatsink.


Okay, with a $200 budget I would suggest saving up somewhat more. Around $300 at a minimum for the CPU and Mobo. Your current RAM may not be compatible with newer motherboards, so you'd probably have to save up a bit more for new sticks, about $50 should do. The 350 watt power supply could stand to be upgraded, but at the time being it isn't a priority. Most CPUs come with their own heatsinks out of the box. Your computer case and hard drive should work fine.
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September 16, 2013 9:22:44 PM

Applepienation said:
isa108 said:
Applepienation said:
Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a new computer. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.

I have a 350 watt power supply, not the best but good enough. Oh and a heatsink.


Okay, with a $200 budget I would suggest saving up somewhat more. Around $300 at a minimum for the CPU and Mobo. Your current RAM may not be compatible with newer motherboards, so you'd probably have to save up a bit more for new sticks, about $50 should do. The 350 watt power supply could stand to be upgraded, but at the time being it isn't a priority. Most CPUs come with their own heatsinks out of the box. Your computer case and hard drive should work fine.


Okay, I think I'll have to wait till I think Christmas? But do you know Austin Evans? He's this one guy on youtube who shows the best buys for your budget. So, I guess I'll have to wait it out oh and should I get an integrated GPU with an AMD APU processor? Or get a Nvidia graphics card? The latter would be a bit more pricey but would there really be a difference in quality? I just plan on playing medium to high nothing big.

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September 16, 2013 11:37:09 PM

isa108 said:
Applepienation said:
isa108 said:
Applepienation said:
Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a new computer. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.

I have a 350 watt power supply, not the best but good enough. Oh and a heatsink.


Okay, with a $200 budget I would suggest saving up somewhat more. Around $300 at a minimum for the CPU and Mobo. Your current RAM may not be compatible with newer motherboards, so you'd probably have to save up a bit more for new sticks, about $50 should do. The 350 watt power supply could stand to be upgraded, but at the time being it isn't a priority. Most CPUs come with their own heatsinks out of the box. Your computer case and hard drive should work fine.


Okay, I think I'll have to wait till I think Christmas? But do you know Austin Evans? He's this one guy on youtube who shows the best buys for your budget. So, I guess I'll have to wait it out oh and should I get an integrated GPU with an AMD APU processor? Or get a Nvidia graphics card? The latter would be a bit more pricey but would there really be a difference in quality? I just plan on playing medium to high nothing big.



In your case I would get an AMD APU, and then get a proper graphics card at a later date when money allows. The FX-6300 I mentioned would probably be a good choice, as it's cheap at only ~$125 and still has very respectable gaming performance. Additionally, you would want to save the money from the GPU to put towards other more important things, such as a better PSU and a 64bit operating system.
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September 17, 2013 2:30:10 PM

Applepienation said:
isa108 said:
Applepienation said:
isa108 said:
Applepienation said:
Technically you don't have a graphics card, you have integrated graphics which are a part of the CPU. Your motherboard should support a graphics card, but you'd be held back someone by lack of upgrades for your 2 core CPU, 32 bit Vista, and possibly the power supply.

I would just buy a new computer if I were in your position. The dual core is a major issue with that computer. Get a 64 bit Operating System, new motherboard, cpu, RAM, everything.
If money is a major issue I would suggest an AMD FX-6300 as a starting point for a new computer. It's cheap and you will notice a substantial performance increase, especially in gaming as the AMD integrated GPUs are somewhat better than Intel ones.

I have a 350 watt power supply, not the best but good enough. Oh and a heatsink.


Okay, with a $200 budget I would suggest saving up somewhat more. Around $300 at a minimum for the CPU and Mobo. Your current RAM may not be compatible with newer motherboards, so you'd probably have to save up a bit more for new sticks, about $50 should do. The 350 watt power supply could stand to be upgraded, but at the time being it isn't a priority. Most CPUs come with their own heatsinks out of the box. Your computer case and hard drive should work fine.


Okay, I think I'll have to wait till I think Christmas? But do you know Austin Evans? He's this one guy on youtube who shows the best buys for your budget. So, I guess I'll have to wait it out oh and should I get an integrated GPU with an AMD APU processor? Or get a Nvidia graphics card? The latter would be a bit more pricey but would there really be a difference in quality? I just plan on playing medium to high nothing big.



In your case I would get an AMD APU, and then get a proper graphics card at a later date when money allows. The FX-6300 I mentioned would probably be a good choice, as it's cheap at only ~$125 and still has very respectable gaming performance. Additionally, you would want to save the money from the GPU to put towards other more important things, such as a better PSU and a 64bit operating system.


Here's what I think my build is gonna look like:
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-F2A85XM-D3H $69.99
CPU: AMD A10-6800K Richland 4.1GHz $114.99
Hard Drive: WD Blue 1 TB Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, 7200 RPM, SATA 6 Gb/s, $64.99
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Blue 4GB (1x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz $39.99
EXTRAS
Case: NZXT Source 210 ELITE Midtower Case with 3.0 USB $44
Power Supply: Corsair Builder Series CX 430 Watt $40.99
Windows 7 64-bit $100
Graphics Card(s): HIS H775F1GD Radeon HD 7750 1GB (128bit) GDDR5 $89.99
SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB $104.99
PNY VCGGT610XPB GeForce GT 610 1GB 64-bit DDR3 $39.99
Oh and would a larger power supply, say 750 watt be better at all? Oh and is Windows 7 more gamer-friendly than Windows 8?
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September 19, 2013 12:24:01 AM

Does anyone think this is a good budget gaming build? Thank you, for your help.
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September 19, 2013 1:58:07 PM

Why are there 3 graphics cards? I would say more, but I need to know about the GPUs first.

For the record, you can only run two of the same type of card (must be two 660s or 7770s for example. Nothing else matters, only a similar type.), except in certain circumstances, such as using a Nvidia card with a Radeon card as a dedicated PhysX card (which isn't worth it).
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September 19, 2013 2:12:44 PM

Athlon 750K $80
Basic 970 Mobo-$70
Cheap 8GB Kit $50

Total $200

Don't buy an APU and then use it with a dedicated GPU, you are wasting money. The 750K is the same chip minus the on baord graphics and has an unlocked multiplier for overclocking.
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