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September 18, 2013 2:23:54 PM

So this is basically the build i came up with. Im planning on using this comp for medium gaming, photoshop, and video editting, and web browsing. I was wondering if there is any parts that i can get a better price and also still keep the good performance. If there is a build that is better then this and the budget is around $800, please recomend it to me.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH :) 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $830.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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September 18, 2013 2:33:26 PM

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CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk ReadyCache 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $822.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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This FX-8350 beats your i5 by a LONGSHOT and it's cheaper, plus I gave you a motherboard that will allow you more upgradability in the future. The only other thing I added was an SSD for you to load your OS onto. It's small because you should only really need it for the OS, but frequently used programs can be stuffed onto there as well. Everything else your HDD can handle.
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September 18, 2013 2:47:06 PM

thepinkanator95 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk ReadyCache 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $822.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 17:31 EDT-0400)

This FX-8350 beats your i5 by a LONGSHOT and it's cheaper, plus I gave you a motherboard that will allow you more upgradability in the future. The only other thing I added was an SSD for you to load your OS onto. It's small because you should only really need it for the OS, but frequently used programs can be stuffed onto there as well. Everything else your HDD can handle.


one thing i dont really under stand is how ssd different from the normal Hard Drive



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September 18, 2013 3:19:22 PM

You would have to be high to get the FX LOL. Stick with the original build, its solid.
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September 18, 2013 4:00:49 PM

Trong Dinh said:
thepinkanator95 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk ReadyCache 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $822.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 17:31 EDT-0400)

This FX-8350 beats your i5 by a LONGSHOT and it's cheaper, plus I gave you a motherboard that will allow you more upgradability in the future. The only other thing I added was an SSD for you to load your OS onto. It's small because you should only really need it for the OS, but frequently used programs can be stuffed onto there as well. Everything else your HDD can handle.


one thing i dont really under stand is how ssd different from the normal Hard Drive





An SSD is like a big flash drive and the speed is limited by the speed that electrons can flow through the circuits (almost the speed of light). An HDD has mechanical parts and has to move those parts to read data. Now write time both are about the same, but SSDs are better at picking out specific information and don't have to "boot up" (HDDs have to spin the drives inside to the technical specifications before you can boot up).
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September 18, 2013 4:02:41 PM

shellls45 said:
You would have to be high to get the FX LOL. Stick with the original build, its solid.


If you look at CPU benchmarks the FX-8350 outperforms Intel' highest i5 chip, only beat by the i7s and the 8350 is cheaper than the i5s. The slot can also be upgraded to a 9590 at 4.7GHz normal clock speed. Imagine the OCing on that puppy. Once you get to the 9590 you are really only getting beat by Intel's top i7 and their Xeon processors (which are used for servers mostly).
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September 18, 2013 4:12:39 PM

thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
You would have to be high to get the FX LOL. Stick with the original build, its solid.


If you look at CPU benchmarks the FX-8350 outperforms Intel' highest i5 chip, only beat by the i7s and the 8350 is cheaper than the i5s. The slot can also be upgraded to a 9590 at 4.7GHz normal clock speed. Imagine the OCing on that puppy. Once you get to the 9590 you are really only getting beat by Intel's top i7 and their Xeon processors (which are used for servers mostly).


NO... U look at the benches. It performs worse than an i5 for gaming while using double the power.
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September 18, 2013 4:31:28 PM

shellls45 said:
thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
You would have to be high to get the FX LOL. Stick with the original build, its solid.


If you look at CPU benchmarks the FX-8350 outperforms Intel' highest i5 chip, only beat by the i7s and the 8350 is cheaper than the i5s. The slot can also be upgraded to a 9590 at 4.7GHz normal clock speed. Imagine the OCing on that puppy. Once you get to the 9590 you are really only getting beat by Intel's top i7 and their Xeon processors (which are used for servers mostly).


NO... U look at the benches. It performs worse than an i5 for gaming while using double the power.


I did look at the benches. Here are the performance benches and only using 1/4 more power. When it comes to gaming I don't think you are really thinking about power consumption as you are going to be using a lot of power anyway with the rest of your build.
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September 18, 2013 4:32:52 PM

Lol passmark.
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September 18, 2013 4:55:53 PM

errrr what should i do??
This build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $830.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)

OR This build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $853.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)
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September 18, 2013 4:59:43 PM

the 1st one
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September 18, 2013 5:06:27 PM

This is the same but slightly cheaper

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FgqL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FgqL/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FgqL/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($212.48 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $793.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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September 18, 2013 5:07:52 PM

would a intel i7 with lower Ghz be better then a intel 5 but higher ghz?
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September 18, 2013 5:07:57 PM

would a intel i7 with lower Ghz be better then a intel 5 but higher ghz?
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September 18, 2013 5:27:00 PM

For Video Editing Yes.

BTW are you planning on overclocking?
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September 18, 2013 5:29:23 PM

You are also missing a case and optical drive in your build. Do you already have them. You will need an OS as well.
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September 18, 2013 5:37:20 PM

shellls45 said:
Lol passmark.




Trong Dinh said:
errrr what should i do??
This build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $830.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)

OR This build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $853.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)


Passmark has been giving excellent CPU reviews for a very long time. It's not "lol passmark". It's "whoa, passmark". Also, if you are a gamer you are going to want to overclock. Overclocking on an i5 sucks ass, where as you can overclock a 8350 to a new world record the current stands at 8.64GHZ on an 8350 by the way). Speed is what you want, and AMD will give you that especially when overclocking.
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September 18, 2013 5:47:51 PM

thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
Lol passmark.




Trong Dinh said:
errrr what should i do??
This build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $830.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)

OR This build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $853.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)


Passmark has been giving excellent CPU reviews for a very long time. It's not "lol passmark". It's "whoa, passmark". Also, if you are a gamer you are going to want to overclock. Overclocking on an i5 sucks ass, where as you can overclock a 8350 to a new world record the current stands at 8.64GHZ on an 8350 by the way). Speed is what you want, and AMD will give you that especially when overclocking.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias This is what you suffer from. Anyway, passmark is a synthetic integer test and does not represent real world integer performance. That is before even looking at floating point performance which is much lower on FX.

As far as overclocking is concerned, an 4670k will hit 4.2 GHZ on an 212 evo. By contrast the 8350 will hit 4.4-4,5 Ghz.
Percentage wise the i5 gain is much higher and will only widen its lead while using less power.

Case Closed...again.
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September 18, 2013 5:51:52 PM



This review is bullshit.

Skyrim can only run on 4 cores.
Diablo 3 only uses 2 cores.
Dawn of War 2 barely uses 2 cores.
WoW uses 4 cores.

Do I need to continue?

If you want your computer to last longer more cores will help you achieve that as threading becomes more popular. The AMD FX-8350 will last you a lot longer than the i5.

Also, PassMark gives you the maximum potential for the CPU which prevents you from buying a CPU that will go out of date within a year. i5 has better individual core performance, but 8350 wins on overall speed and overclocking.
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September 18, 2013 5:53:56 PM

What game uses 8?
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September 18, 2013 6:05:28 PM

Metro 2033, Bad Company 2, and Crysis 2 are other examples of games that use 6 cores.
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September 18, 2013 6:10:18 PM

The 4670 is still faster... you have yet to post benches that disprove this.
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September 18, 2013 6:10:38 PM

And for Amdahl's law to apply the process taking place the program in question has to have limited parallelization. As you can see by your own link, a program that can be even 50% parallelized has an improvement in performance, 95% being much more significant.
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September 18, 2013 6:14:08 PM

Games are mostly serial and only partly parallel. That's why you always see one core loaded more than all of the others if core parking is enabled.
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September 18, 2013 6:22:29 PM

shellls45 said:
Games are mostly serial and only partly parallel. That's why you always see one core loaded more than all of the others if core parking is enabled.


But when building a new computer you want it to last as long as possible. Games have been pushing parallel computing for a long time, the Crysis series being one of the leaders (FX-8350 beats even i7 in Crysis 3). More resource intensive games are going to be using more cores as time goes on, and more cores also allows you to multitask things in the background as you are playing a game. More cores means it will last longer.
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September 18, 2013 6:25:02 PM

Trong Dinh said:
errrr what should i do??
This build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $830.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)

OR This build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $853.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)


If you want your computer to last longer, go with the FX-8350. It will handle future games better than the i5. Intel is better at per core performance, AMD has more cores for a lesser price. More cores will also allow better multitasking so you can run a quad-core game plus maybe TeamSpeak and a gaming forum all at the same time.
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September 18, 2013 6:28:04 PM

thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
Games are mostly serial and only partly parallel. That's why you always see one core loaded more than all of the others if core parking is enabled.


But when building a new computer you want it to last as long as possible. Games have been pushing parallel computing for a long time, the Crysis series being one of the leaders (FX-8350 beats even i7 in Crysis 3). More resource intensive games are going to be using more cores as time goes on, and more cores also allows you to multitask things in the background as you are playing a game. More cores means it will last longer.


I can use that argument as well. Newer programs and games will leverage haswells new instructions, which will increase serial as well as parallel performance. On top of that it is faster today. You really need to see beyond your fanboy vision.

Prove your argument with benchmarks. I already linked the anandtech review and it clearly showed intel is better for gaming.
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September 18, 2013 6:35:58 PM

Don't get a FX-8350 please. It's a shit CPU
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September 18, 2013 6:39:43 PM

shellls45 said:
thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
Games are mostly serial and only partly parallel. That's why you always see one core loaded more than all of the others if core parking is enabled.


But when building a new computer you want it to last as long as possible. Games have been pushing parallel computing for a long time, the Crysis series being one of the leaders (FX-8350 beats even i7 in Crysis 3). More resource intensive games are going to be using more cores as time goes on, and more cores also allows you to multitask things in the background as you are playing a game. More cores means it will last longer.


I can use that argument as well. Newer programs and games will leverage haswells new instructions, which will increase serial as well as parallel performance. On top of that it is faster today. You really need to see beyond your fanboy vision.

Prove your argument with benchmarks. I already linked the anandtech review and it clearly showed intel is better for gaming.


You called my benchmarks bull, and I'm calling bull on yours.

Also, the architecture of the CPU has nothing to do with how you program the game. The decoding of the game is accomplished by the BIOS of the motherboard you are using which is then sent to the CPU in the correct fashion. You don't code a game to benefit an architecture, if you did then everyone with an AMD CPU wouldn't be able to play the game (or vice versa). PC games universally run on an operating system which then brings it to the BIOS which then runs it through the CPU. You can't say that about Haswell at all.
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September 18, 2013 6:44:27 PM

Trong Dihn, you are going to want the maximum capable performance of the CPU so that you can feel comfortable going into the future. As Crysis has proven more games are moving to more cores as they become more intense. A single core can only be pushed so far.
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September 18, 2013 6:54:10 PM

You are so dumb, you post an irrelevant benchmark in a gaming discussion and then discount gaming benchmarks. You really should read the confirmation bias article I linked.
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September 18, 2013 7:01:52 PM

"You don't code a game to benefit an architecture, if you did then everyone with an AMD CPU wouldn't be able to play the game (or vice versa). PC games universally run on an operating system which then brings it to the BIOS which then runs it through the CPU. You can't say that about Haswell at all."

Do you even know how programming works? NO.

Honestly, If the FX were so great AMD would actually be profitable.
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September 18, 2013 7:27:14 PM

shellls45 said:
You are so dumb, you post an irrelevant benchmark in a gaming discussion and then discount gaming benchmarks. You really should read the confirmation bias article I linked.


The benchmark is far from irrelevant. It shows the maximum capabilities of the processor, which is what you want to see. The FX-8350 beats i5 and a few i7 processors in their maximum ability, which is what you want if you want the computer to last very long. The FX-8350 will compete for a while, but the i5 not as much due to it's lack of cores. Even Intel is pushing more cores in their i7 processors.
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September 18, 2013 7:30:43 PM

REAL PROGRAMS DONT SCALE ON MOAR COARS LIKE IN PASSMARK! IT IS ALSO INTEGER, WHICH IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT CPUS DO!
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September 18, 2013 7:32:50 PM

shellls45 said:
"You don't code a game to benefit an architecture, if you did then everyone with an AMD CPU wouldn't be able to play the game (or vice versa). PC games universally run on an operating system which then brings it to the BIOS which then runs it through the CPU. You can't say that about Haswell at all."

Do you even know how programming works? NO.

Honestly, If the FX were so great AMD would actually be profitable.


Obviously I know more than you, otherwise you would realize the code is the same. How else do you think they can sell all games on a single CD? They write to the operating system which does the CPU differentiation for you. That's the point of the operating system. If you wrote to the architecture of the CPU then the operating system would be unnecessary.
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September 18, 2013 7:36:00 PM

shellls45 said:
REAL PROGRAMS DONT SCALE ON MOAR COARS LIKE IN PASSMARK! IT IS ALSO INTEGER, WHICH IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT CPUS DO!


Benchmarks highlighting the high points of a specific CPU and showing off the low points of one isn't a proper comparison either.
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September 18, 2013 7:39:27 PM

Here is a benchmark of a game that uses more cores. As you can see the 8350 wins.
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September 18, 2013 7:44:53 PM

thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
"You don't code a game to benefit an architecture, if you did then everyone with an AMD CPU wouldn't be able to play the game (or vice versa). PC games universally run on an operating system which then brings it to the BIOS which then runs it through the CPU. You can't say that about Haswell at all."

Do you even know how programming works? NO.

Honestly, If the FX were so great AMD would actually be profitable.


Obviously I know more than you, otherwise you would realize the code is the same. How else do you think they can sell all games on a single CD? They write to the operating system which does the CPU differentiation for you. That's the point of the operating system. If you wrote to the architecture of the CPU then the operating system would be unnecessary.


Programs can use multiple generations of instructions...duh. Don't you think there is a difference between something like handbrake running on x87 instructions vs AVX?
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September 18, 2013 7:46:30 PM

thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
REAL PROGRAMS DONT SCALE ON MOAR COARS LIKE IN PASSMARK! IT IS ALSO INTEGER, WHICH IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT CPUS DO!


Benchmarks highlighting the high points of a specific CPU and showing off the low points of one isn't a proper comparison either.


Read the whole review then. Anandtech is regarded as the best in tech. If they can't show you that the FX is weak I dont know what can.
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September 18, 2013 8:15:36 PM

shellls45 said:
thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
REAL PROGRAMS DONT SCALE ON MOAR COARS LIKE IN PASSMARK! IT IS ALSO INTEGER, WHICH IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT CPUS DO!


Benchmarks highlighting the high points of a specific CPU and showing off the low points of one isn't a proper comparison either.


Read the whole review then. Anandtech is regarded as the best in tech. If they can't show you that the FX is weak I dont know what can.


The whole review has games that show off per core performance in older games. The newest game was less than a year after the FX series launch. There was no way any of these games could be optimized for more than 4 cores, therefore showing off the weakness (per core performance) of the 8350 and not showing it's overall better performance especially when it comes to more threads. Crysis 3 was released in February 2013, and the FX-8350 kicks the i5's butt on that game.
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September 18, 2013 8:27:37 PM

shellls45 said:
thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
REAL PROGRAMS DONT SCALE ON MOAR COARS LIKE IN PASSMARK! IT IS ALSO INTEGER, WHICH IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT CPUS DO!


Benchmarks highlighting the high points of a specific CPU and showing off the low points of one isn't a proper comparison either.


Read the whole review then. Anandtech is regarded as the best in tech. If they can't show you that the FX is weak I dont know what can.


Please update your information then come back.
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September 18, 2013 8:32:21 PM

Trong Dinh said:
errrr what should i do??
This build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.97 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $830.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)

OR This build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $853.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 19:55 EDT-0400)


As you can see below, more cores is where games are going. AMD FX-8350 will last you longer as games start using more cores. If you can afford an i7 with 6 or 8 cores (I'm not sure if they make 8 core i7s) go with that, otherwise the 8350 will give you what you want now and in the future. Don't get caught up in the whole Intel fanboy bit.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($563.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1230.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-18 23:36 EDT-0400)

That's how a 6 core i7 build would look. It completely blows your budget, but would beat the 8350 in a heartbeat.

EDIT: I think almost any i7 would beat the 8350 come to think of it, but the 6 cores would make it more future proof.
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September 19, 2013 1:53:04 PM

thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
thepinkanator95 said:
shellls45 said:
REAL PROGRAMS DONT SCALE ON MOAR COARS LIKE IN PASSMARK! IT IS ALSO INTEGER, WHICH IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT CPUS DO!


Benchmarks highlighting the high points of a specific CPU and showing off the low points of one isn't a proper comparison either.


Read the whole review then. Anandtech is regarded as the best in tech. If they can't show you that the FX is weak I dont know what can.


The whole review has games that show off per core performance in older games. The newest game was less than a year after the FX series launch. There was no way any of these games could be optimized for more than 4 cores, therefore showing off the weakness (per core performance) of the 8350 and not showing it's overall better performance especially when it comes to more threads. Crysis 3 was released in February 2013, and the FX-8350 kicks the i5's butt on that game.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-3-performanc...

I wouldn't call a tie in average frame and lower minimum a win :sarcastic: 
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September 19, 2013 2:44:45 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FxLe
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FxLe/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1FxLe/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($212.48 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Grey 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.92 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($86.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $734.31
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-19 17:43 EDT-0400)

This build includes OS optical and case. It is faster and cheaper than all of the others.

FX sucks
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September 20, 2013 5:42:31 AM

I want to apologize for going so off track from what you wanted. Here is the original build I posted. You will really appreciate the extra cores of the 8350, and honestly you won't notice a huge difference in performance between the two CPUs when it comes to gaming. The real power comes from the graphics card (which yours is awesome). Here is the build I got for you originally. Wish you well in all your computing endeavors.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($67.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk ReadyCache 32GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $819.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-20 08:39 EDT-0400)
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September 20, 2013 11:51:52 AM

I get a hook up from Intel so i can buy any cpu and it will be 50% so idk would this cpu would be better.. can u 2 check for me... NO more arguing :)  More Love <3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($325.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($250.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $998.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-20 14:51 EDT-0400)
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