Intel based PC for rendering.

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Hello,

I want to build a new PC for rendering. The PC isn't for me (it's for my sister) and i have absolutely no idea about rendering, so any advice would be very helpful.





Approximate Purchase Date: This month.

Budget Range: 950-1100$ (~700-800€) just for the tower.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Rendering.

Are you buying a monitor: Yes, but don't include it on the above price.

Your Monitor Resolution: Probably one with 1920x1080.

Do you need to buy OS: No.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I will most probably buy everything from here www.e-shop.gr, but feel free to suggest me from any US or international site and i will find it in local sites/shops.

Location: Greece.

Parts Preferences: I haven't bought any AMD before and that's why i prefer an Intel based PC. So, Intel CPU, NVIDIA GPU and i prefer WD HDD.

Overclocking: Maybe. I don't know if it is needed for rendering.

SLI or Crossfire: No. Same as above, i don't know if the SLI makes any difference. But she isn't gonna buy a second GPU any time soon, so "No".

Additional Comments: The Software that will be used is 3dmax and Maya.
The budget that i set is what i would prefer but if you think it isn't enough for a decent rendering PC, you can suggest something a little more expensive.
From what i have heard an SSD would help the rendering, so add one too.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: At the moment she is using a laptop for rendering and it is really slow. She told me that to render 1 frame she needs 10 minutes and she needs something faster (I don't know if that helps).
 
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Using skroutz, and tying for a high quality and fast system at a reasonable cost, the best I could do is the following >

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1. Intel Core i7-3820 (3.60GHz, 10MB Cache) s2011, BX80619I73820 > € 270.88 EU

http://www.mgmanager.gr/intel_core_i7820_60ghz_10mb_cache_s2011_bx8061i7820/el/pid/6650/

2. ASROCK X79 Extreme4-M (mATX)( X79 EXTREME4-M ) > 186,00 €

http://www.digital-master.gr/el-gr/Products.aspx?ElementID=233211bb-021a-4aa1-9d6a-da9dd0aef2be

3. Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 Non ECC CL10 1600MHz (CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10) (Kit 2 x 8192) 142,93 €

http://www.visionstudio.gr/prodinfo.asp?id=28874&cat=4...
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A computer made for rendering is also usually creating 3D models, so there are demands for high performance on every subsystem > CPU, RAM, GPU, and Disc. Animation is more intensive- file sizes and number of renderings and effects procesing is greater, but 3D modeling and rendering gives a system plenty to do. There are potentially millions of polygons to move (recalculate) and textures, effects, shadows, and lighting, reflection calculations.

CPU > Rendering is one of the few applications that can use all the available cores / threads and given the need for fast calculations the ideal CPU should have as many cores at the highest clock speed possible. This is where multiple CPU's (Xeons or Opterons) are useful. If rendering is the priority, I would suggest at least a six core / 12 thread CPU and if possible the ability to add a second of the same later. Multiple C{U's also present the advantage of more PCIe lanes and more RAM capacity. Because of the greater memory bandwidth and up to 12 core capability, I would recommend Intel LGA 2011. A dual LGA 2011 motherboard with the C602 chipset may support up to 512GB RAM and have 6X PCie x16 slots.

Precision is also essential to avoid artifacts and crashing, which is why overclocking is undesirable and the reason Xeons have locked multipliers, more cache, and are usually slightly lower clock speeds.

Motherboard > As mentioned, LGA 2011 has the greatest potential for many cores, and there will be more PCIe lanes. At the moment, my preference is for the C602 chipset.

RAM > To avoid artifacts and shadow and effects problems, ECC error correcting is preferred. I would suggest a minimum of 16GB ECC 1600.

GPU > The GPU should be chosen according to the applications used and for Autodesk and Adobe, which have CUDA acceleration, a Quadro with most CUDAcores will be best is best. Quadros and Firepro also have error-correcting memory and special drivers that finish each image- instead of framerates, enable viewports and high anti-aliasing. If possible, avoid gaming cards that concentrate on frame rates instead of image quality. They are cheaper for what appears to be higher specification, but above a fairly low level of use, they will be greatly disappointing. After years of using Quadros, I tried a GTX- and disaster.

DISK > The disk subsystem needs to be able to run many, many hours with reliability. If that sounds like a server, yes, that's the ideal. I don't think SSD's are necessary- good to load OS, applications, and files quickly once the file is loaded into RAM, the disk speed is only critical in saving and transfers. It's better to save the cost of an SSD and add a duplicate storage drive in RAID 1 that mirrors the original and means perfect backup and quick recovery in case of disk failure.

I haven't researched costs in Greece- which I expect to be at least 25% higher than in the US, but here is a suggestion for a system that I would consider at about the minimal cost to achieve good rendering use. This might be considered the basic, highly expandable system, such that the CPU could become a 6 or 8 core later >

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1. CPU> Intel Xeon Quad-Core Processor E5-1620 3.6GHz 5.0GT/s 10MB LGA 2011 CPU, OEM > $294 (Superbiz) (Passmark CPU score= 9199, rank = No. 38)

2. Motherboard> ASRock X79 Extreme3 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $199.99

3. RAM> 16GB (2X 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ECC Unbuffered Server Memory >about $150. (Check ASUS motherboard compatibility list)

4. GPU NVIDIA Quadro K2000 VCQK2000-PB 2GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card $420.

5 DISK> (2) Western Digital WD Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM) > $160

6. PSU> SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply $120.

9. CASE> LIAN LI PC-7HX Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $100.

10. OPTICAL DRIVE> ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $17.

TOTAL = $1,311

If budget is a problem, the Quadro K2000 can be substituted with a Firepro V4900 which in the US cost $175. (TOTAL = $1066)


Cheers,

BambiBoom


1. Dell Precision T5400 (2009)> 2X Xeon X5460 quad core @3.16GHz > 16 GB ECC 667> Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 / Segt Brcda 500GB > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit > HP 2711x 27" 1920 x 1080 > AutoCad, Revit, Solidworks, Sketchup Pro, Corel Technical Designer, Adobe CS MC, WordP Office, MS Office > architecture, industrial design, graphic design, rendering, writing





 

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BambiBoom,

thanks a lot for your suggestion and the information. The build you suggested seems good but there are 2 problems. First, i can't find everything you suggested in Greece. Secondly, as you guessed all the parts (or the similar parts) are way more expensive here than in the US (I searched in various sites and the final cost would be near 2200$).

The only Xeon I found is this one INTEL XEON E5410 QUAD CORE HP 457939-B21and these few results from various sites.

I also found only these GPU's that match you suggestion.

Also, I would like something simpler. Your suggestion with the Xeon and that GPU is more like a workstation. My sister needs it for some architecture videos, i don't think she would ever use it to it's full potentials. I was thinking for an i7 and a GTX650.

Any suggestions to that?
 
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Sorry, I thought the US-Greco cost differential would not be as large.

As for the use /system, using 3dsmax and Maya are about as intensive workstation-oriented applications as is possible. It's possible that certain viewport functions in Maya will only work properly with a Quadro . Also, renderings ideally have as many cores/ threads as possible to run in a reasonable time. I use a dual 4 core Xeon so as to have 8 cores / 16 threads and I would rather have at least a dual 6 core system.

On that note, it may be more cost effective to buy a good, used workstation- which is very similar to the one I use >

Dell T5400 Twin Quad Core Xeon 3.0Ghz 16GB RAM Windows 7 Pro Desktop PC Tower

http://viewitem.eim.ebay.gr/Dell-T5400-Twin-Quad-Core-Xeon-30Ghz-16GB-RAM-Windows-7-Pro-Desktop-PC-Tower/121117920671/item/index.en-US.html

Which is a Dell Precison T5400 with dual quad core Xeons @ 3.0GHz for 594,37 € +36,85 € shipping -(from the UK). I assume that within the EU you have an advantageous duty / VAT situation. To that system you could add a good graphics card, perhaps a used Quadro 2000 or 4000 and quickly be ready to go within your budget without the trouble of researching, ordering, assembling, configuring and testing a new system. I'm convinced that a new system within your budget will not be satisfactory for Maya and 3dsmax.

Τις καλύτερες ευχές σε εσάς και την οικογένειά σας,

BambiBoom

 

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BambiBoom,

the cost differential isn't usually that big, this happens only in certain products.

About the used PC, it seems good but I am hesitant in buying something used before i actually check it myself.

Anyway, if you were to suggest me an i7 CPU and a cheaper new GPU, what would they be?

Best wishes to you too and if you used google translation it surprises me because it's correct. :p
 
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Using skroutz, and tying for a high quality and fast system at a reasonable cost, the best I could do is the following >

BambiBoom PixelSnaffler Cadarendergrapharific Turbouzoramaolympiad 3000 _9.21.13

1. Intel Core i7-3820 (3.60GHz, 10MB Cache) s2011, BX80619I73820 > € 270.88 EU

http://www.mgmanager.gr/intel_core_i7820_60ghz_10mb_cache_s2011_bx8061i7820/el/pid/6650/

2. ASROCK X79 Extreme4-M (mATX)( X79 EXTREME4-M ) > 186,00 €

http://www.digital-master.gr/el-gr/Products.aspx?ElementID=233211bb-021a-4aa1-9d6a-da9dd0aef2be

3. Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 Non ECC CL10 1600MHz (CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10) (Kit 2 x 8192) 142,93 €

http://www.visionstudio.gr/prodinfo.asp?id=28874&cat=4

4. nVidia Gigabyte GTX 650 2GB OC( GV-N650OC-2GI )> 122,20 €

http://www.digital-master.gr/el-gr/Products.aspx?ElementID=36eef901-d917-4f9a-bf65-280a21cd5c4b

5. Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black WD1002FAEX SATA III 7200rpm 64MB > 79,91 €

http://www.visionstudio.gr/prodinfo.asp?id=18723&cat=6

6. Inter-Tech SY-120 Midi Tower > 43,62 €

http://www.visionstudio.gr/prodinfo.asp?id=34055&cat=1

7. CORSAIR PSU 550W CMPSU-VS550EU CP-9020050-EU HRDC0323 > 53,00 €

http://www.e-rainbow.gr/Product/4627/Instance/4688/Page/238/

8. Pioneer Blu-Ray Recorder BDR-208DBK > 79.09 €

http://www.e-gate.gr/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=54952

TOTAL = 977,63 €

Sorry, over the budget. The i7 3820 is the cousin of the Xeon E5-1620 and almost as expensive as Xeon. The price could be reduced by changing to a 1GB GTX 650 (-22 € ), cheaper RAM ( -15 € ), and a DVD burner instead of Blu Ray (- 20 € ). these however did not seem important savings and if there is video editing, I would suggest at least a 2GB graphics card. I looked at Xeon E3 and i5, but the E3 was still the same price and i5's are not hyperthreading which means the threads for rendering are reduced from 8 to 4- not useful in a system intended for rendering.

An alternative, a bit of a surprise is a Dell Precision T1650 >

Dell Precision T1650 MT Xeon E3-1225V2 (4-core, 3.2 / 3.6) 4GB, Quadro 600 [PT1650-E312254GDOS] > € 750

http://www.msystems.gr/index.php?category=1015&product=14892

The Xeon E3-1225 V2 is a very good performer and has hyperthreading. The Quadro 600 is not a fantastic graphics card,- poor in 3D but as it is good in 2D, may be reasonable in rendering. This system probably has 2 X 2GB RAM and you could add 2 x 4GB for 12GB for about 60 €- (= 810 € ) very close to the budget. Later, replace the Quadro 600 with a Quadro K2000 or similar.

Ναι, ήμουν εξαπάτηση χρησιμοποιώντας το Google μετάφραση. Έχω καλύτερα αποτελέσματα όταν προσπαθούν να Ελληνικής πίσω μετάφραση στα Αγγλικά. Αυτό επιβεβαιώνει τη μετάφραση. Εάν η επαλήθευση είναι ανόητο, δοκιμάστε ξανά.

Cheers,

Bambiboom

 
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Bambiboom,

really thanks for all the help and the searching.

I like the i7 build. I wouldn't risk it with a cheaper GPU, but i will try to find a cheaper RAM and i will replace the BR recorder with a cheap DVD recorder at 15 €. And if i buy everything from the same shop I will ask for a discount.

About the Dell, well it is a workstation but I am not sure because i would probably need to change the GPU and add some RAM as you suggested.

Anyway, many thanks for the help, most probably I will go with the i7 build. Btw now i had to actually retranslate it in English to understand what you meant. :p


Thanks,
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