i7 4770k vs i5 4670k

reptiboyABC · Sep 21, 2013

Hello, I am building a PC with these specs:

*****EDIT******FUTURE PC SPECS****** Processor: Intel core i7 4770k OR i5 4670k Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI GENE Intel Z87 LGA 1150 Motherboard RAM: 8gb DDR3-1600 Operating System: Windows XP Proffesional Storage: 200gb seagate barracuda (old) Power Supply: Corsair CX600M Display: x2 17" LCD monitors.

I will be gaming as well as 3D modeling with rhino, maya, revvit, and others, and I will be getting more ram and two gtx 670's a couple of months after I finish.

gbryan101 · Sep 21, 2013

For strictly gaming, there would be little benefit to going with the 4770K, BUT if you are using productivity software with good hyper-threading, you would benefit from the 4770K and the eight logical threads it supports. I know Rhino and the newer versions of Maya would benefit.

Also, get a new hard drive. Something like a WD Caviar Black, and then a small (32-64GB) SSD and cache to it. It'll make your productivity work much more reasonable. Just friendly advice.

reptiboyABC · Sep 21, 2013

gbryan101 :

would just the hard drive work, because I have close to no money to spare. Plus, I heard about some ram caching thing that intel does. Would this be fine? Or do I also need a small ssd? How expensive are they?

gbryan101 · Sep 21, 2013

There is no reason why your hard drive wouldn't work. My suggestions are based mostly on trying to make sure you don't spend a lot of money on a machine, only to have it held back by an old OS and a slow hard drive.

If money is an issue, just stick with what you have and upgrade later. I am not sure what you mean by RAM caching from Intel, though Windows uses pre- and superfetching to pull data into the RAM to speed system operation. What I am referring to with the SSD is using Intel Smart Response (Rapid Storage Technology) and caching the HDD to the SSD. A 32GB SSD usually runs $40 to $50 US and your 200GB HDD should work, though I make no guarantees given the age and that you are using XP. I used to think that pretty much any SATA disk would work, but someone will always find a way to break something. I also remember walking a guy through the setup from hooking the drives up through installing the software, only for him get mad that it didn't work, at which point he told me he was using Ubuntu and was trying to do everything through WINE.

Now, is this an XP install used in another machine? That could be a problem if it's the case.

reptiboyABC · Sep 21, 2013

gbryan101 :

There is no reason why your hard drive wouldn't work. My suggestions are based mostly on trying to make sure you don't spend a lot of money on a machine, only to have it held back by an old OS and a slow hard drive.

If money is an issue, just stick with what you have and upgrade later. I am not sure what you mean by RAM caching from Intel, though Windows uses pre- and superfetching to pull data into the RAM to speed system operation. What I am referring to with the SSD is using Intel Smart Response (Rapid Storage Technology) and caching the HDD to the SSD. A 32GB SSD usually runs $40 to $50 US and your 200GB HDD should work, though I make no guarantees given the age and that you are using XP. I used to think that pretty much any SATA disk would work, but someone will always find a way to break something. I also remember walking a guy through the setup from hooking the drives up through installing the software, only for him get mad that it didn't work, at which point he told me he was using Ubuntu and was trying to do everything through WINE.

Now, is this an XP install used in another machine? That could be a problem if it's the case.

I was talking about just getting a NEW hard drive, like 1tb or something, not the old hdd

gbryan101 · Sep 21, 2013

reptiboyABC :

Just getting a new hard drive? It should work fine, assuming that you are doing a new install of XP and not cloning it from the older drive. I am still wondering if you are doing a new install, which is usually a good idea with a new machine. Trying to boot an old install on a new machine can spawn all sorts of issues, usually from driver problems or registry issues that changing hardware brings to light. In my experience, it often won't even boot without repairing the install. When you mentioned the old disk, I was afraid this was what you planned to do. It does occasionally work, but I wouldn't bet on it.

You don't need to do any type of SSD caching, but it's the cheapest way to have even a fraction of what SSDs offer. This is something you could do at any time, or not at all. If you do decide to later, just install the SSD on a Intel controlled SATA port (preferably Rev. 3) and do the setup in the Rapid Storage client.

Christopher Gonzalez · Sep 21, 2013

reptiboyABC :

Sorry to digress from the topic, as I know your not supposed to on this forum, but unless you have a 670 now and will SLI later, I'd go with the newer 770, or even the 760, as with the 770 you will have newer features (GPU Boost 2.0, Shadowplay, etc.), and SLI that later. I don't know off the top of my head but I believe the 770 has more CUDA Cores as well.

CPU-wise, if your budget allows, get the i7. 1st, why cheap out? 2nd, it is a POWERHOUSE! 3rd, Hyper threading will dominate core - based applications.

You can go with i5, but I'd definetly go i7!

reptiboyABC · Sep 22, 2013

gbryan101 :

reptiboyABC :

Just getting a new hard drive? It should work fine, assuming that you are doing a new install of XP and not cloning it from the older drive. I am still wondering if you are doing a new install, which is usually a good idea with a new machine. Trying to boot an old install on a new machine can spawn all sorts of issues, usually from driver problems or registry issues that changing hardware brings to light. In my experience, it often won't even boot without repairing the install. When you mentioned the old disk, I was afraid this was what you planned to do. It does occasionally work, but I wouldn't bet on it.

You don't need to do any type of SSD caching, but it's the cheapest way to have even a fraction of what SSDs offer. This is something you could do at any time, or not at all. If you do decide to later, just install the SSD on a Intel controlled SATA port (preferably Rev. 3) and do the setup in the Rapid Storage client.

I am doing a fresh install of windows 7

gbryan101 · Sep 22, 2013

reptiboyABC :

gbryan101 :

reptiboyABC :

Just getting a new hard drive? It should work fine, assuming that you are doing a new install of XP and not cloning it from the older drive. I am still wondering if you are doing a new install, which is usually a good idea with a new machine. Trying to boot an old install on a new machine can spawn all sorts of issues, usually from driver problems or registry issues that changing hardware brings to light. In my experience, it often won't even boot without repairing the install. When you mentioned the old disk, I was afraid this was what you planned to do. It does occasionally work, but I wouldn't bet on it.

You don't need to do any type of SSD caching, but it's the cheapest way to have even a fraction of what SSDs offer. This is something you could do at any time, or not at all. If you do decide to later, just install the SSD on a Intel controlled SATA port (preferably Rev. 3) and do the setup in the Rapid Storage client.

I am doing a fresh install of windows 7

Alright, I feel better now. I saw XP Professional listed in your specs and got a little worried. Not that there is anything wrong with XP.

reptiboyABC · Sep 23, 2013

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

Sorry to digress from the topic, as I know your not supposed to on this forum, but unless you have a 670 now and will SLI later, I'd go with the newer 770, or even the 760, as with the 770 you will have newer features (GPU Boost 2.0, Shadowplay, etc.), and SLI that later. I don't know off the top of my head but I believe the 770 has more CUDA Cores as well.

CPU-wise, if your budget allows, get the i7. 1st, why cheap out? 2nd, it is a POWERHOUSE! 3rd, Hyper threading will dominate core - based applications.

You can go with i5, but I'd definetly go i7!

The reason why is because the 670 is better than the 760 and I found a deal on the 670 (only $305) and I cannot afford a 770 unless you can find a VERY good deal on one.

Christopher Gonzalez · Sep 23, 2013

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

The reason why is because the 670 is better than the 760 and I found a deal on the 670 (only $305) and I cannot afford a 770 unless you can find a VERY good deal on one.

Well, if you found a great deal on the 670, than that might be the way to go, but when it comes to PCs, I always try to buy, or at least save up for, the newest hardware... For instance, I'm saving now for a high end build, but I'm not setting any components down in stone because the 800 series NVidia GPU's are coming in Q1 and the new Intel (I think Broadwell) should be around Q2-3.

reptiboyABC · Sep 23, 2013

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

Well, if you found a great deal on the 670, than that might be the way to go, but when it comes to PCs, I always try to buy, or at least save up for, the newest hardware... For instance, I'm saving now for a high end build, but I'm not setting any components down in stone because the 800 series NVidia GPU's are coming in Q1 and the new Intel (I think Broadwell) should be around Q2-3.

Ok, so now I found a deal (at least I think) on the 770, $380 for a 770 Windforce OC, but next year I will be getting my graphics card, so I might just wait for an ASUS (to go with rest of build) 770/780 to go down, or I might just wait to get a 870 next year.

Christopher Gonzalez · Sep 24, 2013

reptiboyABC :

If its not for an entire YEAR that you'll be building a PC, than definitely wait for the NVidia 800 series cards ( I think they are released really soon, like Q1)! In that amount of time, you might even consider the new Intel CPUs, too. I estimate they'll come out around July, just as their pattern is around every 1 year and 1 month, but definitely go 800 series!

Also, look into the new AMD Hawaii, I think they are called, GPUs. I don't know much in the AMD world, but they are also a well rounded company and you could get a sweet bundle, too! I know they have high capacity VRAM, but I'd look into those as well! Especially if budget is a factor in your build.

Youre making the right call with the i5 and i7, though. I'd recommend avoiding AMD CPUs, unless you are on a tight tight tight budget, just because a lot of Intel options outperform AMD by a marginal amount. That being said if you need a system for 400$, AMD is the way to go!

reptiboyABC · Sep 24, 2013

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

If its not for an entire YEAR that you'll be building a PC, than definitely wait for the NVidia 800 series cards ( I think they are released really soon, like Q1)! In that amount of time, you might even consider the new Intel CPUs, too. I estimate they'll come out around July, just as their pattern is around every 1 year and 1 month, but definitely go 800 series!

Also, look into the new AMD Hawaii, I think they are called, GPUs. I don't know much in the AMD world, but they are also a well rounded company and you could get a sweet bundle, too! I know they have high capacity VRAM, but I'd look into those as well! Especially if budget is a factor in your build.

Youre making the right call with the i5 and i7, though. I'd recommend avoiding AMD CPUs, unless you are on a tight tight tight budget, just because a lot of Intel options outperform AMD by a marginal amount. That being said if you need a system for 400$, AMD is the way to go!

I said I will be buying the GRAPHICS CARD('s) next year, not the whole PC, I am buying one $300 chunk a month, so first getting the mobo, then CPU and ram , then Case, cpu cooler, and fans, then in december I am getting a hdd, and OS, then in febuary/march I am getting the first graphics card, then later that year I am getting the second one. The reason why is because I'm only 11, and I cannot afford to get it all at once.

reptiboyABC · Sep 24, 2013

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

If its not for an entire YEAR that you'll be building a PC, than definitely wait for the Nvidia 800 series cards ( I think they are released really soon, like Q1)! In that amount of time, you might even consider the new AMD CPUs, too. I estimate they'll come out around July, just as their pattern is around every 1 year and 1 month, but definitely go 800 series!

Also, look into the new AMD Kepler, I know they are called GPUs. I don't know much in the AMD world, but they are also a well rounded company and you could get a sweet bundle, too! I know they have high capacity VRAM, but I'd look into those as well! Especially if budget is a factor in your build.

Youre making the right call with the FX and A10, though. I'd recommend avoiding Intel CPUs, unless you are on a tight tight tight tight tight tight budget, just because a lot of AMD options outperform Intel by a marginal amount. That being said if you need a system for 4000$, AMD is the way to go!

oh, and WAY off topic, but did you know you can edit the quote to make the person you quoted sound like an idiot

Christopher Gonzalez · Sep 24, 2013

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

If its not for an entire YEAR that you'll be building a PC, than definitely wait for the Nvidia 800 series cards ( I think they are released really soon, like Q1)! In that amount of time, you might even consider the new AMD CPUs, too. I estimate they'll come out around July, just as their pattern is around every 1 year and 1 month, but definitely go 800 series!

Also, look into the new AMD Kepler, I know they are called GPUs. I don't know much in the AMD world, but they are also a well rounded company and you could get a sweet bundle, too! I know they have high capacity VRAM, but I'd look into those as well! Especially if budget is a factor in your build.

Youre making the right call with the FX and A10, though. I'd recommend avoiding Intel CPUs, unless you are on a tight tight tight tight tight tight budget, just because a lot of AMD options outperform Intel by a marginal amount. That being said if you need a system for 4000$, AMD is the way to go!

oh, and WAY off topic, but did you know you can edit the quote to make the person you quoted sound like an idiot

Hahahahahahahaha, no I didn't know that.....

Good for you! I got into PCs when I was 13... Ya money was a big issue...

And in that case, broadwell probably isn't in your scope, but definitely new graphics cards!

reptiboyABC · Sep 24, 2013

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

If its not for an entire YEAR that you'll be building a PC, than definitely wait for the Nvidia 800 series cards ( I think they are released really soon, like Q1)! In that amount of time, you might even consider the new AMD CPUs, too. I estimate they'll come out around July, just as their pattern is around every 1 year and 1 month, but definitely go 800 series!

Also, look into the new AMD Kepler, I know they are called GPUs. I don't know much in the AMD world, but they are also a well rounded company and you could get a sweet bundle, too! I know they have high capacity VRAM, but I'd look into those as well! Especially if budget is a factor in your build.

Youre making the right call with the FX and A10, though. I'd recommend avoiding Intel CPUs, unless you are on a tight tight tight tight tight tight budget, just because a lot of AMD options outperform Intel by a marginal amount. That being said if you need a system for 4000$, AMD is the way to go!

oh, and WAY off topic, but did you know you can edit the quote to make the person you quoted sound like an idiot

Hahahahahahahaha, no I didn't know that.....

Good for you! I got into PCs when I was 13... Ya money was a big issue...

And in that case, broadwell probably isn't in your scope, but definitely new graphics cards!

Yes, now I am planning on getting a GTX 770, 780, or 870. Because seeing how the prices of the GTX 680 are now http://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-Overclocked-Utilities-PCI-Express-GTX680-DC2O-2GD5/dp/B007ZT2E1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380038507&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+680 , I think I might be able to snatch up a 780 next year for the same price!

Christopher Gonzalez · Sep 24, 2013

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

oh, and WAY off topic, but did you know you can edit the quote to make the person you quoted sound like an idiot

Hahahahahahahaha, no I didn't know that.....

Good for you! I got into PCs when I was 13... Ya money was a big issue...

And in that case, broadwell probably isn't in your scope, but definitely new graphics cards!

Yes, now I am planning on getting a GTX 770, 780, or 870. Because seeing how the prices of the GTX 680 are now http://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-Overclocked-Utilities-PCI-Express-GTX680-DC2O-2GD5/dp/B007ZT2E1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380038507&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+680 , I think I might be able to snatch up a 780 next year for the same price!

Well, you know the 870 is the equivalent of a 780, and the 770 = a 680 (670 = 580, etc.), basically just have higher clocks, so the 870 might be the best way to go, because it will perform as well, have whatever new features are for 800 series, and will cost less.

reptiboyABC · Sep 24, 2013

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

Hahahahahahahaha, no I didn't know that.....

Good for you! I got into PCs when I was 13... Ya money was a big issue...

And in that case, broadwell probably isn't in your scope, but definitely new graphics cards!

Yes, now I am planning on getting a GTX 770, 780, or 870. Because seeing how the prices of the GTX 680 are now http://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-Overclocked-Utilities-PCI-Express-GTX680-DC2O-2GD5/dp/B007ZT2E1C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380038507&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+680 , I think I might be able to snatch up a 780 next year for the same price!

Well, you know the 870 is the equivalent of a 780, and the 770 = a 680 (670 = 580, etc.), basically just have higher clocks, so the 870 might be the best way to go, because it will perform as well, have whatever new features are for 800 series, and will cost less.

Thank you! Now I am planning on getting a i7/870 build. If you want I will keep you updated.

Christopher Gonzalez · Sep 24, 2013

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

Thank you! Now I am planning on getting a i7/870 build. If you want I will keep you updated.

No problem! Great choice for components! I'm building pretty much the exact same build, except maybe with Broadwell, but the 4770k will keep you set for a long time!

2 more things:

Is their any particular reason you're going with a Micro ATX Board? There isn't a problem with it, but with the Hero instead of the Gene, you'll have a little more expansion room as far as PCI... That being said, the Gene is a fantastic board and has all the features you'll ever need (and a little extra (who the heck has 8 hard drives???). Also, if you'd still like to SLI, I'm not sure but with that board the cards will be right next to each other (that is if they have room to fit at all) which could create some heat issues. The 1 870 will still give you great performance on all your games, though!

For gaming you're set, but if you're working in 3D modeling, 8 GB of RAM might not be enough... I know Video Editing gobbles up RAM, and though I'm no genius in 3D modeling, it sounds like it could, too. I'm sure if your not making huge worlds and just modeling characters and animations, 8 GB is fine... One good thing about the ASUS Micro ATX Board is that it has 4 RAM slots, so either way, you'll have room to upgrade if you need to...

LOL Sorry I know I've added another 100 or 200 bucks to the build, but this is all just stuff to consider... I'd definetely go 870 like you already are, and the GENE and 8 GB is gonna do just fine, but if the above applies to you, then you might consider is...

reptiboyABC · Sep 24, 2013

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

No problem! Great choice for components! I'm building pretty much the exact same build, except maybe with Broadwell, but the 4770k will keep you set for a long time!

2 more things:

Is their any particular reason you're going with a Micro ATX Board? There isn't a problem with it, but with the Hero instead of the Gene, you'll have a little more expansion room as far as PCI... That being said, the Gene is a fantastic board and has all the features you'll ever need (and a little extra (who the heck has 8 hard drives???). Also, if you'd still like to SLI, I'm not sure but with that board the cards will be right next to each other (that is if they have room to fit at all) which could create some heat issues. The 1 870 will still give you great performance on all your games, though!

For gaming you're set, but if you're working in 3D modeling, 8 GB of RAM might not be enough... I know Video Editing gobbles up RAM, and though I'm no genius in 3D modeling, it sounds like it could, too. I'm sure if your not making huge worlds and just modeling characters and animations, 8 GB is fine... One good thing about the ASUS Micro ATX Board is that it has 4 RAM slots, so either way, you'll have room to upgrade if you need to...

LOL Sorry I know I've added another 100 or 200 bucks to the build, but this is all just stuff to consider... I'd definetely go 870 like you already are, and the GENE and 8 GB is gonna do just fine, but if the above applies to you, then you might consider is...

I'm sorry, I did make a mistake. I'm actually getting a Maximus VI Formula, and I will just randomly be getting ram too, because it is like $70 per 8gb stick, and I am getting 4 8gb sticks eventually.

Christopher Gonzalez · Sep 25, 2013

reptiboyABC :

Christopher Gonzalez :

reptiboyABC :

No problem! Great choice for components! I'm building pretty much the exact same build, except maybe with Broadwell, but the 4770k will keep you set for a long time!

2 more things:

Is their any particular reason you're going with a Micro ATX Board? There isn't a problem with it, but with the Hero instead of the Gene, you'll have a little more expansion room as far as PCI... That being said, the Gene is a fantastic board and has all the features you'll ever need (and a little extra (who the heck has 8 hard drives???). Also, if you'd still like to SLI, I'm not sure but with that board the cards will be right next to each other (that is if they have room to fit at all) which could create some heat issues. The 1 870 will still give you great performance on all your games, though!

For gaming you're set, but if you're working in 3D modeling, 8 GB of RAM might not be enough... I know Video Editing gobbles up RAM, and though I'm no genius in 3D modeling, it sounds like it could, too. I'm sure if your not making huge worlds and just modeling characters and animations, 8 GB is fine... One good thing about the ASUS Micro ATX Board is that it has 4 RAM slots, so either way, you'll have room to upgrade if you need to...

LOL Sorry I know I've added another 100 or 200 bucks to the build, but this is all just stuff to consider... I'd definetely go 870 like you already are, and the GENE and 8 GB is gonna do just fine, but if the above applies to you, then you might consider is...

I'm sorry, I did make a mistake. I'm actually getting a Maximus VI Formula, and I will just randomly be getting ram too, because it is like $70 per 8gb stick, and I am getting 4 8gb sticks eventually.

Oh, that confused me because you were buying in 300$ chunks and the Gene is only I think 150 or something. And yes, I know they'll say that 8 GB is good enough, but once you start doing anything productive or professional, 8 GB can just get eaten up. Good choice going for 32 GB. I'll always recommend at least 16 GB!

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