Which would be good Amd fx 8350 or Intel i5 4670k mainly for latest games and also for future gaming?

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Hi! Ola! I am planning to build a new rig mainly for gaming. I know there have been 1000's or more questions asked on the same topic. But I will specify in a better way. 8350 and 4670k are similar in performance, but when it comes to latest games, I've heard 8350 is way better. I want to do Gaming, Photoshop, Downloading stuff(Which can take some time), some video editing in the future. I want a cpu from above these two which will run latest and upcoming games at good fps. As it is said that amd is future proof, but not all the games can utilize all 8 cores. There's bit difference of price in these two cpu's too. If I buy fx 8350 I can afford to buy radeon hd 7870 or probably Gtx 660 ti, but if I buy i5 4670k i might have to buy the hd 7850 or at the most gtx 660 ( if m lucky to adjust the budget properly). Which cpu will at least be able to run games on mid-high settings till next 3 years if I buy gtx 770 next year. I also want to play games such as Watch Dogs, Pes/Fifa 14, Bf 3/4, Crysis 2/3, Hitman absolution, Ac4, Gta V(if it will be for pc), Saints row 4, and other latest games at good fps. I already own an i5 laptop, so m thinking to go for amd.
This will be my rig:
Gskill Ripjaws 16 gb 1600mhz ram,
2 tb Sata and 320 gig SSD,
550 watt psu,
compatiable motherboard.
a 1920x1200 res Monitor,
Hopefully radeon hd 7870 or Gtx 660 ti.
 
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Once you budget for cpu goes past $120 for a FX6300, the best gaming cpus come from Intel.
Read this article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

Games are mostly dependent on the graphics card, not the cpu.
For a balanced gamer, allocate twice your cpu budget for the graphics card.

With your proposed budget, of $400 or so combined, I think you have it backwards.
I might suggest a 3350P @$180 and a GTX760 @ $250 or a GTX770@$400.
Whatever you buy, you will do well at 1080P.
If you are thinking about triple monitor gaming, in the future, then start with a stronger 3570K or 4670K.
 
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Don't buy based on what people say is better in the "future".

The 4670k is better than the 8350 in gaming, hands down. This isn't even factoring in overclocking.
 
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Not when you consider performance/price analysis.

Even the OP is aware that the budget will allow a better GPU with a 8350 over a 4670k. Not sure why it is so hard for individuals to understand that at a specific budget when you increase the allocated funds for a CPU you are decreasing the funding for other components.

The price difference between the 8350 and the 4670K easily exceeds $70 when considering the motherboard as well.

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Biostar TA970 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $244.98

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $318.97
 
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Intel is generally better for current games; and likely future games as well.

AMD's next CPU architecture is Steamroller, however, it seems that it will only be released for socket FM2+. Since the time AMD announced they will be no more new FX series CPUs, they have not mentioned anything socket AM3+ or AM4 CPUs using the Steamroller architecture. Even though AMD's Richland APUs like the A10-6800k and the FX-4350 both use the PileDriver core, the APUs performance is lower than the FX CPUs. It seems the lack of a L3 cache is the issue; the APUs do not have it; the FX CPUs do have it. It is unlikely the FM2+ Steamroller APU (Kaveri) will have a L3 cache as well.

It's too earlier to speculate how well Kaveri will perform. It will be more powerful than Richland (current generation APU). But how will be compare to the FX series? AMD will be shipping Kaveri to it's customers in Q4 2013 with desktop APUs expected to available for retail sales in Q1 2014. Not sure if there are going to be 6 / 8 cores Kaveri APUs I can't find anything definitive about them.
 
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The price gap narrows a bit if you consider Ivy Bridge instead of Haswell. Ivy Bridge still performs better than the FX-8350, only slightly less so than Haswell (Haswell is on average 6% more powerful) and the cost of the hardware is not as much as Haswell.

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz - $210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

MSI Z77A-G41 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 - $80 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130653

At $290 it is still more expensive than the FX-8350, but the price is a little lower.

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However, if MicroCenter is nearby, then that lowers the price. Based on the following link you can buy a Haswell i5-4670k and a MSI mobo combo for $265 + tax. The catch is that you must pick it up from the store. It will not be shipped.

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

That brings the price difference to only $20 + the tax.
 
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Last I saw there was an 8350 + MB combo @ MC for $220, making the difference $45 + Tax, however, they may not be running it anymore.
 
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I'm actually thinking about buying that i5-4670k + MSI mobo combo as a stop gap between my Q9450 and Intel's Skylake / Skymont CPUs in 2015/2016.

I was originally looking at lower end Core i5 like the "S" and "T" models which have lower power consumption. This potential new build will actually become my HTPC when I build a Skylake / Skymont PC so I was looking for low power consuming parts. However, due to the combo deal getting an i5-4670k is actually the less expensive solution. I suppose I just need to research using lower voltages to reduce power consumption for when it becomes at HTPC.
 
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Ahhh yes, I forgot to check on AMD bundles. The FX-8350 + MSI mobo can be bought for $220 + Tax. The link is as follows:

http://www.microcenter.com/site/products/amd_bundles.aspx

Given the before tax difference of only $45 (tax adds around another 7% - 10% depending on where the store is), that price premium is overshadowed by the overall performance difference between the i5-4670k and the FX-8350.

I suppose the price of RAM can also be a factor as well since all you really need is 1600MHz DDR3 RAM for Intel to overclock. For AMD it's best to 1866MHz DDR3 RAM to overclock; I don't think the FX series supports more than 1866MHz, but I could be wrong. The price difference will likely be $5 for the different RAM speeds; maybe $10, but I really doubt that. Therefore, perhaps the difference is now only $40 + tax.
 
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Just be aware that Haswell is a larger silicon lottery than Ivy and that you will need a hefty heatsink if you want to hit 4.5Ghz or higher. Although, living near a Microcenter may enable you to pick and choose your chip since you can break even by reselling not so great chips.
 
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+1 Average I have seen is around 4.2-4.4 on air cooling. Anything more requires a heavy duty water setup (kraken x60 or better typically).
 
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Running 4.6GHz on my current 4770K build using a Cooler Master Seidon 240M with aftermarket fans but then again it is a pretty good chip and I am only running at 1.195V
 
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Not a problem since I was planning on getting a Noctua NH-D14 which should be fine for overclocking; especially since I am not a clockspeed whore; 4.0GHz - 4.2GHz should be fine. It should also be fine to passively cool the i5-4670k in the HTPC since it will not be OC'ed at all and will be undervolted. I'll probably drop the clockspeed to around 2.0GHz - 2.5GHz at most since all it will be doing at that point in time is playing videos.
 
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to anyone who can help i need help trying to figure out if the parts i selected will work together here is the list of parts im trying to build a desktop pc any and all help will be much appreciated im a complete noob at building pcs.:
-Thermaltake Armor Series VA8003BWS Black Full Tower Case - holds 9 internal HDDs
-Intel Core i5 i5-3450 3.10 GHz Processor - Socket H2 LGA-1155 - Quad-core
-XFX 750W XXX Edition Single Rail Power Supply with Semi Modular Cables 240-Pin 750 Energy Star Certified Power Supply (P1750XXXB9)
Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 7850 1GB GDDR5 2DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort pci-e

also would like a suggestion on a compatible motherboard with the above components.
also sorry about posting in a random forum but im new to this site and when i tried to pm jaguarskx it gave me a 404 eror page not found.
please and thanks for all info in advance.

 
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I am from Inida. I am building a pc in next 3 months as computer components are pretty overpriced right now. I also have to buy a full Hd monitor so excluding that my budget will be around 45000 rupees. So can you recommend me a Rig around $820. And what should I buy. Amd fx 8350 or i5 4670k. I want to do gaming at least on medium settings with the rig I mentioned above.
 
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So lets assume I will buy 4670k and the above rig. Then at what settings will I be able to play crysis 3 and at what settings will I be able to play Games mentioned above at least 45 fps?
And what Fps will I get if I play these same games If I buy Fx 8350?

 
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get the 8320 and a 7870 or a 7950 would be preferable if you can afford it the intel will only nerf your fps if it means dropping to a 7850 the difference is considerable and games are planning on using more than 4 cores bf 4 is optimised for amd 8 core cpus infact thats what it was running on at e3 and gamescom not intel dont get me wrong i get that inte performs better atm but with battlefield 4 optimised for 8 and both next gen consoles with 8 core cpus it looks like we are at the brink of a new era where 4 cores will become the minimum 2gb of vram will go obsolete in high end cards and 1600p is no longer the max.
 
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If price are very high in India, then you may want to consider the Ivy Bridge generation i5-3570k (socket 1155). The Haswell generation i5-4670k (socket 1150) is on average 6% more powerful than Ivy Bridge. Therefore, if the cost of the i5-3570k + a Z77 motherboad is more than 6% less than the cost of the i5-4670k + socket Z87 mobo, then the Ivy Bridge combo would be the better bang for the buck (in your case rupee).
 
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Change to an FX 8320 and the price gap is even further. Which means more money for better GPU.
 
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agreed the different graphics card will out do any small change the cpu makes.
 
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