4930k vs 4770k
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Danzas4321
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how much editing will you be doing? if you dont do alot then get the 4770k which is 4 cores 8 threads, enough for editing and more than enough for gaming. if you do heavy video editing then the 6 cores and 12 threads of the 4930k will be better but wont change gaming performance much
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Video Editing:
The 4930K would be at most 50% faster if all threads are utilized. For most current software it would probably be closer to 25% maximum difference in total time.
I'm talking about software-based (best quality) video CONVERSION. Video editing would be similar but it also depends heavily on the amount of MEMORY, program used etc.
GAMING:
Difference so small not worth mentioning, except that the money saved on an i7-4770K could be spent on a better Graphics Card and that WOULD make a huge difference.
The 4930K would be at most 50% faster if all threads are utilized. For most current software it would probably be closer to 25% maximum difference in total time.
I'm talking about software-based (best quality) video CONVERSION. Video editing would be similar but it also depends heavily on the amount of MEMORY, program used etc.
GAMING:
Difference so small not worth mentioning, except that the money saved on an i7-4770K could be spent on a better Graphics Card and that WOULD make a huge difference.
I will be doing a reasonable amount of editing. I've just started uni, studying architecture, plus I'm starting a YouTube channel, so programs like Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, AutoCAD, 3DS MAX, Vegas Pro. I'm going to be gaming as well so I'm getting a GTX 780. My budget is £3000 so you are looking at about £2300 for the PC itself.
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If you're rendering a great deal 4930k > 4770k.
If you're not rendering a whole lot. I would go 3770k...the 4770k is not worth the extra money over the 3770k to justify buying "hasfail" (as it's come to be called) over IB.
EDIT: If you can find the 3930k cheaper than the 4930k at all, I would actually do that insead.
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If money isn't an issue, he should run a 3930k with Quad SLI Titan GPUs...
That will blow the doors off your 4770k and GTX 780 proposition.
However, I suspect money will be an issue at some point, and Quad SLI Titans are unrealistic anyway...so, the 3930k is every bit as good as the 4930k, and there's no need to spend extra money on the newest tech because, frankly, it isn't that much better that you should.
Just because it's newer doesn't mean it is automatically better, or worth spending more money to get. It just means it is newer...
That's an epic fail on your part...promoting new because old is old.
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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/63119-intel-i7-4930k-i7-4820k-ivy-bridge-e-review-7.html
The BENEFIT of more cores varies a lot so you basically have to lookup benchmarks for every application individually. The above link illustrates one program making LITTLE difference (between an i7-4770K) and another showing a noticeable difference (26%).
I stick by you generally looking at almost NOTHING to 25% depending on the program with rarely any scenarios above a 25% improvement between these two CPU's. I'm really not sure that's worth $600 or $700.
RAM:
DDR3 varies a lot in price. I recommend 1866MHz or 2133MHz low-latency but don't pay more than you need to. 16GB might be enough for your needs. 32GB almost definitely.
While there is a lot of confusion on the subject, in general you should use dual-Channel DDR3 memory for dual-channel motherboards, tri for tri and quad for quad for optimal results (but not Quad-Channel kits for dual-Channel motherboards). The confusion exists because optimizations are made to SOME KITS (quad optimized for quad) but some Quad kits say "fine for Dual-Channel". Sigh.
LOTS OF CUSTOMER REVIEWS also tend to indicate the memory has been around longer, and thus more likely to have a BIOS profile (if the memory is listed in the recommended memory at the motherboard support site it's also fully compatible and has a BIOS profile though you may have to update for it to be there.)
The BENEFIT of more cores varies a lot so you basically have to lookup benchmarks for every application individually. The above link illustrates one program making LITTLE difference (between an i7-4770K) and another showing a noticeable difference (26%).
I stick by you generally looking at almost NOTHING to 25% depending on the program with rarely any scenarios above a 25% improvement between these two CPU's. I'm really not sure that's worth $600 or $700.
RAM:
DDR3 varies a lot in price. I recommend 1866MHz or 2133MHz low-latency but don't pay more than you need to. 16GB might be enough for your needs. 32GB almost definitely.
While there is a lot of confusion on the subject, in general you should use dual-Channel DDR3 memory for dual-channel motherboards, tri for tri and quad for quad for optimal results (but not Quad-Channel kits for dual-Channel motherboards). The confusion exists because optimizations are made to SOME KITS (quad optimized for quad) but some Quad kits say "fine for Dual-Channel". Sigh.
LOTS OF CUSTOMER REVIEWS also tend to indicate the memory has been around longer, and thus more likely to have a BIOS profile (if the memory is listed in the recommended memory at the motherboard support site it's also fully compatible and has a BIOS profile though you may have to update for it to be there.)
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My recommend.
*I recently was looking at the Asus Hero VI Z87 motherboard and came away very impressed. It's $200. Apart from other features the SupremeFX audio was interesting; a superior solution than any Realtek onboard audio. Anyone spending a lot on a PC should get half decent audio. An inexpensive, half-decent sound card of similar quality still costs $50 or more. The board has also gotten great reviews. I consider the MOTHERBOARD and PSU the two most important parts relating to quality (if PSU has issues it can cause intermitten problems, or die and damage things, whereas replacing a motherboard can be a huge hassle especially if the same socket as your CPU disappears.. ).
My list, but much room for change.
*Carefuly to double-check compatibility for all parts.
1) i7-4770K
2) suitable PWM air cooler or good liquid cooler
example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118046
example 2: Corsair H110i
example 3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214023
3) Asus HERO VI motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131989
4) 16GB or 32GB DDR3 (depends on video editing task if 32GB would benefit)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231572
*32GB DDR3 2133MHz G. Skill shown. Good reviews, 4x8GB, single kit optimized for Dual-Channel (not quad).
5) EVGA GTX 780 w/ACX cooler and backplate (*Warning, lower-clocked versions exist for almost same price but reference cooler. Backplate is $20; I recommend adding to prevent sag/flex over time.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130918
6) 250GB Samsung 840 Evo (minimum 120GB)
7) BD-burner with M-Disc compatibility
8) 2TB or 3TB HDD
9) case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139022
*above case just an example (and wider, shorter than normal but great design if it fits). The 540 comes windowed or non-windowed (I hate windows on cases).
Make sure
a) case fits desk or wherever
b) graphics card fits internally (lengthwise)
c) front USB3
d) front/rear case fans (if needed. good idea)
e) radiator fits (i.e. Corsair Air 540 supports the Corsair H110i).
10) Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182073
Note:
- PSU customer reviews VERY important
- ensure enough 6-pin/8-pin connections
- ensure enough power if you decide on SLI (single GTX780 really is awesome though)
11) Windows 8 64-bit OEM
*I strongly recommend W8, not W7 but get START8 from Stardock ($5).
*I recently was looking at the Asus Hero VI Z87 motherboard and came away very impressed. It's $200. Apart from other features the SupremeFX audio was interesting; a superior solution than any Realtek onboard audio. Anyone spending a lot on a PC should get half decent audio. An inexpensive, half-decent sound card of similar quality still costs $50 or more. The board has also gotten great reviews. I consider the MOTHERBOARD and PSU the two most important parts relating to quality (if PSU has issues it can cause intermitten problems, or die and damage things, whereas replacing a motherboard can be a huge hassle especially if the same socket as your CPU disappears.. ).
My list, but much room for change.
*Carefuly to double-check compatibility for all parts.
1) i7-4770K
2) suitable PWM air cooler or good liquid cooler
example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118046
example 2: Corsair H110i
example 3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214023
3) Asus HERO VI motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131989
4) 16GB or 32GB DDR3 (depends on video editing task if 32GB would benefit)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231572
*32GB DDR3 2133MHz G. Skill shown. Good reviews, 4x8GB, single kit optimized for Dual-Channel (not quad).
5) EVGA GTX 780 w/ACX cooler and backplate (*Warning, lower-clocked versions exist for almost same price but reference cooler. Backplate is $20; I recommend adding to prevent sag/flex over time.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130918
6) 250GB Samsung 840 Evo (minimum 120GB)
7) BD-burner with M-Disc compatibility
8) 2TB or 3TB HDD
9) case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139022
*above case just an example (and wider, shorter than normal but great design if it fits). The 540 comes windowed or non-windowed (I hate windows on cases).
Make sure
a) case fits desk or wherever
b) graphics card fits internally (lengthwise)
c) front USB3
d) front/rear case fans (if needed. good idea)
e) radiator fits (i.e. Corsair Air 540 supports the Corsair H110i).
10) Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182073
Note:
- PSU customer reviews VERY important
- ensure enough 6-pin/8-pin connections
- ensure enough power if you decide on SLI (single GTX780 really is awesome though)
11) Windows 8 64-bit OEM
*I strongly recommend W8, not W7 but get START8 from Stardock ($5).
photonboy
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Ivy Bridge-E:
I did look into that considering it MIGHT benefit you with the i7-4930K ($240 more than the i7-4770K). As I said it will vary from roughly 0% to 25%, possibly over 40% in some scenarios especially in the future.
I looked at MANY different Socket 2011 motherboard and my recommendation ends up being the Asus P9X79 Pro.
http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-p9x79-pro-intel-x79-motherboard-review_1767/15
*at least one of the P9X79's has no front USB panel connectors (not the Pro).
Motherboard NEWEGG: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131800
32GB Quad-Channel memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231572
In addition to the roughly $400 increase to the i7-4770K build, there are some minor pros and cons. No SupremeFX audio. Older chipset so reduced SSD performance (may not make a noticeable difference in reality). A few other things.
It can also be a PRO to have an older motherboard that has had most BIOS updates sorted out, but it can be a CON if they quit adding memory profiles so it can't auto-detect your DDR3 memory (the recommended memory list at the support site is useless). It absolutely DOES support the i7-4930K CPU though you may need to update the BIOS if it doesn't ship with the latest (very likely in fact). Luckily, this motherboard can do that via USB without needing a CPU so no nasty "need a CPU to update BIOS to support CPU issue."
I did look into that considering it MIGHT benefit you with the i7-4930K ($240 more than the i7-4770K). As I said it will vary from roughly 0% to 25%, possibly over 40% in some scenarios especially in the future.
I looked at MANY different Socket 2011 motherboard and my recommendation ends up being the Asus P9X79 Pro.
http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-p9x79-pro-intel-x79-motherboard-review_1767/15
*at least one of the P9X79's has no front USB panel connectors (not the Pro).
Motherboard NEWEGG: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131800
32GB Quad-Channel memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231572
In addition to the roughly $400 increase to the i7-4770K build, there are some minor pros and cons. No SupremeFX audio. Older chipset so reduced SSD performance (may not make a noticeable difference in reality). A few other things.
It can also be a PRO to have an older motherboard that has had most BIOS updates sorted out, but it can be a CON if they quit adding memory profiles so it can't auto-detect your DDR3 memory (the recommended memory list at the support site is useless). It absolutely DOES support the i7-4930K CPU though you may need to update the BIOS if it doesn't ship with the latest (very likely in fact). Luckily, this motherboard can do that via USB without needing a CPU so no nasty "need a CPU to update BIOS to support CPU issue."
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I'm actually going with the i7-4770K and an ASUS Maximus VI Formula motherboard which is of course utilizing the Z87 chipset. I wanted 32MB of DDR3 Memory running at 2400MHz so I went ahead and downloaded the manual to verify the compatible memory and in doing so, found something rather interesting. This board is obviously a dual channel memory board but the recommended memory from the manual is G.SKILL Model F3-19200CL10Q-32GBZHD. The interesting part to all of this is that particular model of memory is a quad channel kit. So in this particular case, ASUS is recommending a quad channel kit for use on its dual channel motherboard.
DeathAndPain
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If money does not matter, the Xeon E5-2687W v2 is most obviously the best choice. Outclasses any of the above-discussed CPUs hands down in editing.
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