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September 22, 2013 10:26:20 PM

This question is propably 1 of the most asked question in the forums, so i'll just blend in and leave mine as well.
It's time to replace my old PC and options are overwhelming.
Took a good while to check out options through, but i finally managed to get a set together.
Only thing missing, is YOUR opinion. Just because it does matter.

I do play games a lot, but i don't have any specific "type" of game, so this is 1 thing that makes this building quite hard to figure out.
Overclocking is a thing that i usually take into use, when my rig needs that "extra boost". This is why i am going for Z87 chip and K-series CPU.
CPU was hard to come up with, since i mainly play games, but i love to have that option to use my PC as workstation as well.

This is what i came up with:

Case:
Define XL R2 Black Pearl ATX
Motherboard:
Asus Sabertooth Z87, LGA1150, Intel Z87, DDR3, ATX
CPU:
Haswell i7-4770K, LGA1150, 3.5GHz, 8MB
CPU cooler:
Corsair Hydro H100i
Memory:
16GB (2 x 8GB) HyperX Beast, DDR3 1600MHz, CL9, 1.5V, XMP
PSU:
850W HX850 Enthusiast Series ATX-Power, 80 PLUS Gold

As you can see, there's no GPU or HDD(SSD) included. Simply because i am not sure if i need to replace my HDD right now.
And what comes to GPU. This is a part where i propably will be investing the most of my budget, so i need to do some more researching and (other-weird-excuses)

Hope this made sense
Thanks for advance :) 

EDIT. forgot to add CPU cooler.

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September 22, 2013 10:37:34 PM

Looks like a strong base for a dual GPU rig.
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September 22, 2013 10:41:25 PM

It's a good build so far, but I have trust issues with Kingston. Usually on Pendrives and Memory cards, but I haven't tried Kingston RAM yet. Therefore, I would recommend you this, it's also 1600MHZ DDR3 1.5V but it's CL7 so it's definitely faster and the brand is more trustworthy. http://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/gskill-memory-f31600c...
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September 22, 2013 10:43:58 PM

For some odd reason, i personally prefer 1 single GPU over SLi/crossfire. I have no idea why. I have never used dual-gpu setup.
Call it intuition, if you will.
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September 22, 2013 10:46:59 PM

VPMH said:
For some odd reason, i personally prefer 1 single GPU over SLi/crossfire. I have no idea why. I have never used dual-gpu setup.
Call it intuition, if you will.

Then your PSU is overkill it will run 2 x GTX770 in SLI. On the ram Kingston have been a lot longer on the memory market than Gskill and they are a trusted although not a hyped brand.
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September 22, 2013 10:47:07 PM

james77 said:
It's a good build so far, but I have trust issues with Kingston. Usually on Pendrives and Memory cards, but I haven't tried Kingston RAM yet. Therefore, I would recommend you this, it's also 1600MHZ DDR3 1.5V but it's CL7 so it's definitely faster and the brand is more trustworthy. http://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/gskill-memory-f31600c...


Will i actually notice the difference in CL7 and CL9, i think that is where it all comes down at.
Also i was considering Corsair Vengeance / Vengeance Pro with same specs than Kingston HyperX Beast.
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September 22, 2013 10:50:05 PM

rolli59 said:
VPMH said:
For some odd reason, i personally prefer 1 single GPU over SLi/crossfire. I have no idea why. I have never used dual-gpu setup.
Call it intuition, if you will.

Then your PSU is overkill it will run 2 x GTX770 in SLI. On the ram Kingston have been a lot longer on the memory market than Gskill and they are a trusted although not a hyped brand.


Who knows. Maybe in future i might consider this multi-gpu option, that's why i would like to have "overkill" instead of "Not enough" in this build :) 
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September 22, 2013 10:54:10 PM

Valid argument.
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September 22, 2013 11:03:01 PM

So why not go for SLI right now?
SLI 760 is really good choice. Cheap, fast..
Beats single 780 in all games. Or as fast as the 780.
Look how good it really is.
http://lanoc.org/review/video-cards/6602-gtx-760-sli-re...
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_760_sl...

They you do not build overkill machine based on maybe Il sli someday :) 
That really is money trowing away. :) 

So how about build like this?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($325.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($242.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($242.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Desktop Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Lightning 800W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1683.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-23 02:14 EDT-0400)

If you do not need 4770k in gaming you do not. drop to i5 and 8GB memory. Gaming you really do not need more memory that 8GB
They you save lot and have best performance right now.
Then it looks like this.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($242.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($242.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Desktop Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Lightning 800W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1519.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-23 02:20 EDT-0400)
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September 23, 2013 12:44:44 AM

I understand, that there a lot of alternative builds for "gaming/workstation"
I merely asked your opinions about the build i came up with.

Why not go Sli right away?
Because i am not sure, if i am going to buy GPU right away, since there's not really games i am interested of playing right now.
Games i am looking forward, comes in next year. And i would like to see if next year brings some new (better?) GPUs to the market.

I also understand, that even i5-3570k would be ideal for Gaming today, but what about tomorrow? What about next year?
We can't predict this part of future, because it's very blank. Maybe new games works well enough on 3570k even in 2016, maybe not.
Personally i don't want to take that chance.

When it comes to workstation, i think we all agree that i5-3570k doesn't go even near the i7-4770k in this part (or have i misunderstood something?)

So.. why i7 and 16gb ram? because "Workstation"

AxlFone gave me couple replacements to consider, just to save money.
But when it comes to saving money... eehh... it's quite hard. I can buy cheap-er? With less features and quality.
Problem here is "what-if"
I love to have that moment, when i come up with something amazing to try and figure out that "I CAN DO IT, YES ! because i bought this a little bit more expensive motherboard, i have this feature"
... you know what i mean :D 

This is why i am asking your opinions, i love them. They makes me consider options even more. Keep them coming :) 
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September 23, 2013 12:56:16 AM

VPMH said:
I understand, that there a lot of alternative builds for "gaming/workstation"
I merely asked your opinions about the build i came up with.

Why not go Sli right away?
Because i am not sure, if i am going to buy GPU right away, since there's not really games i am interested of playing right now.
Games i am looking forward, comes in next year. And i would like to see if next year brings some new (better?) GPUs to the market.

I also understand, that even i5-3570k would be ideal for Gaming today, but what about tomorrow? What about next year?
We can't predict this part of future, because it's very blank. Maybe new games works well enough on 3570k even in 2016, maybe not.
Personally i don't want to take that chance.

When it comes to workstation, i think we all agree that i5-3570k doesn't go even near the i7-4770k in this part (or have i misunderstood something?)

So.. why i7 and 16gb ram? because "Workstation"

AxlFone gave me couple replacements to consider, just to save money.
But when it comes to saving money... eehh... it's quite hard. I can buy cheap-er? With less features and quality.
Problem here is "what-if"
I love to have that moment, when i come up with something amazing to try and figure out that "I CAN DO IT, YES ! because i bought this a little bit more expensive motherboard, i have this feature"
... you know what i mean :D 

This is why i am asking your opinions, i love them. They makes me consider options even more. Keep them coming :) 


If you are not going to play AAA games right away, then you will be fine with your Intel HD 4600. It even plays Crysis 3 on low details. It will be better if you will buy a video card next year when the new cards are released.
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September 23, 2013 1:24:14 AM

Then if you need WORKSTATION. Go with 2011 build.
New intel 4930k did just come out.
With desent X-79 MoBo + 16 -32GB memory + videocard it will work lot faster in all tasks that much cpu. Orgpu lames. Or much memory. Such arevideo editing , rendering..

Other way to go is Intel Xeon. LGA 1155 xeon 1230V2 is cheap. same price as the 3570k.
But it do have HT + 8 treads. So you get i7 for a price i5. No iGPU in cpu. So you kind of need video card. This will work in any 1155 MoBo. Xeon do have cpus that have iGPU like 1245 if I remember rigth. Yes. http://ark.intel.com/products/52274
This is cheap now in US http://ark.intel.com/products/65732
Really good cpu. Cooler than 3570k and you need to OC 3570k to 4.5GHz to mach performance. This use less wattage so it kind save modell. Lots of benefits. It is silent ,because it runs cooler. Fast. Cheap. What more can anyone want?
Xeon do have new model 1230V3 but that is expensive in US but in EUU that is cheap.
And I do not have a glue why it is like that :) 
Just want to tell your options :) 
Cpuple sites good to look. If xeon sparked ya intrest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcB1BIyJ5j8
This about 4770k vs 4960X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bINLgcxuUAU

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When it comes to workstation, i think we all agree that i5-3570k doesn't go even near the i7-4770k in this part (or have i misunderstood something?)


Maybe you are.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/836?vs=701
Not much gap with buy 100$ expensive cpu than 100$ cheaper.

Your build then... Id take other MoBo. sabertooth have so high components on board that it can make issue with radiator installion. Not sure this is issue with Fractal XL. But Id goo with Asus PRO or gigabyte.

Memory I have used g.skill memory they are really good.

If you do not buy video card. PSUis hyge overkill. Buy smaller and if buy videocards then buy bigger PSU.
Cheap bigger psu are on sale all the time.

For ~100$ you can find really good 750-1000w psu.

So you need just 400w psu if there is no videocard. Even 350w is enough.
Foe example 620w psu for just 55$ you be fine with one videocard for long time.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg620m

And since you are going to overkiil side of track. This is really good buy.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-ligh...



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September 23, 2013 3:01:09 AM

For some reason i think 16GB would be ideal amount of memory, when building gaming/workstation hybrid. I dont see reason to go higher (since i am not building extreme 3d software miracle machine of any kind)
8gb memory would be enough, if i did only gaming. This is quite clear for me and i dont need to argue about that.
What comes to memory, it's the brand i am most consearned.

Saving money in this PSU idea gets a bit tricky.
See, i know i would be fine with smaller PSU, such as 400-500. Since i want quality, i propably will end up buying something around 100€ anyways. Now do i want to buy smaller PSU now and NEW PSU when i decide to go into build, when more power is required.
This way, it's not cheaper at all. Quite opposite.
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September 23, 2013 3:55:24 AM

It is. It is more easy find cheap big good PSU than good small one.
You psu will lose your money when it working not otmized load.
If load is 20% it worst case senario to PSU.
Efficiency is lowest level. The PSU is worknig best if there is 60-90% load.
Then efficiency is best level. Eniway.
This corsair new psu. Maybe better buy than old HX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Really quiet. Fanis not spinning under 40% load. Efficiency is 92%
Really good specks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Other good 850 is seasonic x
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-x850
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Seasonic-X-Serie...

XFX 850 is not bad deal
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/XFX-PRO-850-W-Bl...
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1850bbef... .
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September 23, 2013 4:13:53 AM

Can you explain, why it's bad for PSU to work on small load, such as 20%?
This is new information for me. Would like to know more.
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September 23, 2013 4:56:43 AM

It is not then working on optimized efficiency.
Maybe it more cheaper PSU issue? Have seen some revivs of it.
Gold psu are so good efficiency that
Maybe I have got it wrong.. somehow.
I remember seen test where this did happen. But Seems like I can find it now.
Or someone toldme wrong information. I was wro. Did look some test and the did show just oppsite how PSU works. Sorry about that .
Never too late to lear some new thing. :)  I must mixed that something else..
Looks like new ones are good no mattaer what the load is.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
Seems like this one is dropping in 10% load. But after that is good.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4011/corsair-ax750-80plus...
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September 23, 2013 4:59:55 AM

All good. I guess there's obvious differences, that seperates cheap PSU from expensive ones. Maybe this is one of those "issues".
Always nice to learn new stuff :) 

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