I need some advice!

Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

I will start off with my rig setup:

AMD FX 6100 3.3Ghz (O.C. @4.2Ghz)
Asus M5A97PRO
8Gb Crucial Ballistix Sport 1333Mhz (O.C. 1359)
XFX R7870 2Gb DD Ghz Edition (Stock)
OCZ Vertex 3 SSD 120Gb
2Tb Western Digital HDD

My Windows experience performance:

Calculations per second 7.5
Memory operations per second 7.9
Desktop performance for Windows Aero 7.9
3D business and gaming graphics performance 7.9
Disk data transfer rate 7.9

So the question I am going to ask is the processor bottle necking my graphics card?
As I dont get great frames on Battlefield 3 I average about 50-60FPS as I dont have V-sync on.
I do get 100FPS at some points but I know I can get higher. I was thinking of swapping over to Intel i7 2600k but I can not afford that currently as I recently bought the FX 6100 3 months ago. So I was thinking if I bought 8Gb of Corsair Vengeance would that increase performance?
I need some help as my windows experience is telling me I have a decent setup apart from the CPU. Would I be better off upgrading to a AMD FX 8000 series?

I look forward to your advice as I am stuck :??:

Dayle McNeela · Sep 23, 2013

Specialist24o :

Personally, I would only use intel CPU's they perform so much better!!
But no, If you have a standalone graphics card (NVIDIA/AMD) that the CPU plays little part in FPS... the GPU has its own built in processor (hence the name, graphics processing unit) which generate the speed of the frames... RAM and CPU quality probably plays about 25% in the process...

If you want better frames, overclock your GPU or buy a better one.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Your GPU ranks #18 out of #212 GPUs, possibly upgrade to one of the top 10/5?
I have the GTX760 ranked #8... BRILLIANT CARD!!

Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

Dayle McNeela :

Specialist24o :

Personally, I would only use intel CPU's they perform so much better!!
But no, If you have a standalone graphics card (NVIDIA/AMD) that the CPU plays little part in FPS... the GPU has its own built in processor (hence the name, graphics processing unit) which generate the speed of the frames... RAM and CPU quality probably plays about 25% in the process...

If you want better frames, overclock your GPU or buy a better one.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Your GPU ranks #18 out of #212 GPUs, possibly upgrade to one of the top 10/5?
I have the GTX760 ranked #8... BRILLIANT CARD!!

Thanks for your reply but you did not pay much attention to the whole thread I made?
I was watching a user on Twitch streaming BF3 and the lowest frames he got to was 80?
His setup was a i7 2600k, 8Gb Corsair Vengeance and a GTX 580. So thats why I am questioning my setup. Also my graphics card is stock O.C.

Dayle McNeela · Sep 23, 2013

Your question was, is the processor bottle necking your GPU, I answered no it is not.
The only difference between the i7 CPUs and others, if hyper-threading, if you have a dual core processor (CPU with 2 cores) then I would definitely stand get the i7 but your CPU has 6 cores, do there is no problem with your CPU as previously explained.

As I also explained, your GPU is ranked #18, on the high-end GPU benchmark list, but the GTX 580 is rated #9 so in theory, its twice as good as your card so his low of 80FPS sound about right compared to your FPS...

If you want to get the same FPS, upgrade your GPU... he is only getting better FPS because he has a better graphics card... the CPU will possibly make a 5fps increase maybe?
As said, forget the CPU, upgrade the GPU if you want more frames per second.

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Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

Dayle McNeela :

So basically in a nut shell even though I bought my R7870 3 months ago I wasted my money? Does the i5/i7 intel integrated graphics add to graphics processing? That should help improve frames too right?

Dayle McNeela · Sep 23, 2013

Specialist24o :

Erm, I wouldn't say wasted... 50-60FPS is still a good card

but if you wanted higher, then yes, you wasted your money :/ ALWAYS do your homework before buying a component!
And only certain motherboards support this, but even professions find it difficult to make GPUs and CPUs work together... but it only increases GPU performance by 5-10fps... just focus on the GPU, honestly, youll waste your money buying another processor and motherboard for a slight fps increase... If an extra 5-20fps is worth the money, they get the i7 and an asus motherboard, if not, just get a new GPU and try to get a refund on that other GPU if you can

Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

Dayle McNeela :

Specialist24o :

Erm, I wouldn't say wasted... 50-60FPS is still a good card

but if you wanted higher, then yes, you wasted your money :/ ALWAYS do your homework before buying a component!
And only certain motherboards support this, but even professions find it difficult to make GPUs and CPUs work together... but it only increases GPU performance by 5-10fps... just focus on the GPU, honestly, youll waste your money buying another processor and motherboard for a slight fps increase... If an extra 5-20fps is worth the money, they get the i7 and an asus motherboard, if not, just get a new GPU and try to get a refund on that other GPU if you can

Thank you for your help in this situation. I am going to look at getting a GTX 760.

RobCrezz · Sep 23, 2013

Dayle McNeela :

Specialist24o :

Personally, I would only use intel CPU's they perform so much better!!
But no, If you have a standalone graphics card (NVIDIA/AMD) that the CPU plays little part in FPS... the GPU has its own built in processor (hence the name, graphics processing unit) which generate the speed of the frames... RAM and CPU quality probably plays about 25% in the process...

If you want better frames, overclock your GPU or buy a better one.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Your GPU ranks #18 out of #212 GPUs, possibly upgrade to one of the top 10/5?
I have the GTX760 ranked #8... BRILLIANT CARD!!

This is not entirely correct. Some games can and do work the CPU hard, and if the CPU cannot keep up, then it will cause lower FPS.

To the OP: Check your GPU and CPU usage when playing the game. If the CPU usage is very high, but the GPU usage is not, then your CPU is bottlenecking you.

Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

RobCrezz :

Dayle McNeela :

This is not entirely correct. Some games can and do work the CPU hard, and if the CPU cannot keep up, then it will cause lower FPS.

To the OP: Check your GPU and CPU usage when playing the game. If the CPU usage is very high, but the GPU usage is not, then your CPU is bottlenecking you.

Thats what I was thinking... BF3 is very CPU hungry! Argh! I put this as solved :/
As I can not really afford to buy a i5/i7 CPU and Asus motherboard would it be worth buying a 8 core AMD FX CPU?

Dayle McNeela · Sep 23, 2013

Specialist24o :

RobCrezz :

Thats what I was thinking... BF3 is very CPU hungry! Argh! I put this as solved :/
As I can not really afford to buy a i5/i7 CPU and Asus motherboard would it be worth buying a 8 core AMD FX CPU?

You already have a 6 core CPU, games use 2-4 cores...
As I said originally, I do not trust AMD at all, Intel is way better for performance.

As Im sure everyone will agree, youll be more FPS by upgrading your GPU than you will by getting a better CPU...

Think about cost to performance, it will cost less to get more fps by upgrading your GPU.
It will cost way most to get the i7 and a good motherboard.

If you want a good CPU, motherboard and GPU you may aswell build a whole new computer.
If not, just upgrade your GPU and overclock your CPU

Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

Dayle McNeela :

Specialist24o :

You already have a 6 core CPU, games use 2-4 cores...
As I said originally, I do not trust AMD at all, Intel is way better for performance.

As Im sure everyone will agree, youll be more FPS by upgrading your GPU than you will by getting a better CPU...

Think about cost to performance, it will cost less to get more fps by upgrading your GPU.
It will cost way most to get the i7 and a good motherboard.

If you want a good CPU, motherboard and GPU you may aswell build a whole new computer.
If not, just upgrade your GPU and overclock your CPU

But Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores? So that why I am questioning this

Dayle McNeela · Sep 23, 2013

Specialist24o :

Dayle McNeela :

But Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores? So that why I am questioning this

Battlefield 4 system requirements
The minimum PC system requirements for Battlefield 4 are expected to be:
Dual core CPU (Intel Core i5 or AMD “Bulldozer”).
At least 4 GB main system memory
Graphics card with at least 512 MB of VRAM and support for DirectX 10
30+ GB of harddrive space
Windows Vista

Recommended system requirements
The recommended PC system requirements for optimal visual quality and frame rates:
Quad core CPU (Intel Core i5 or i7) at 3 Ghz
4 GB memory (8 GB for 64-bit operating systems)
A modern DX11 graphics card with 2+ GB of video memory, GeForce 600 series or Radeon 7000 series
Windows 7 64-bit operating system (Windows 8 is supported as well)
30+ GB of free harddrive space

http://bf4central.com/battlefield-4-system-requirements/

RobCrezz · Sep 23, 2013

Specialist24o :

RobCrezz :

Thats what I was thinking... BF3 is very CPU hungry! Argh! I put this as solved :/
As I can not really afford to buy a i5/i7 CPU and Asus motherboard would it be worth buying a 8 core AMD FX CPU?

Try as I said, and then you will find out where your bottleneck is, and not guess!

I repeat:

To the OP: Check your GPU and CPU usage when playing the game. If the CPU usage is very high, but the GPU usage is not, then your CPU is bottlenecking you.

MSI afterburner is good for checking GPU usage, and you can even use task manager to monitor CPU usage (just strech it out so you have enough scope). When you are in a game, Alt-Tab out to see the GPU and CPU usage.

Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

Dayle McNeela :

RobCrezz :

RobCrezz, I noticed that I was getting 94% CPU usage and only 30-50 GPU usage when playing BF3 I had to have the game windowed but I did notice that the CPU was getting very close to 100% most of the time fluctuating obviously. My R7870 2Gb Ghz Edition has not been OC either as its Ghz Edition I have not touched it. So it might be an idea to upgrade to a FX 8000 series CPU then?? That I can afford to do

RobCrezz · Sep 23, 2013

Specialist24o :

Dayle McNeela :

RobCrezz :

RobCrezz, I noticed that I was getting 94% CPU usage and only 30-50 GPU usage when playing BF3 I had to have the game windowed but I did notice that the CPU was getting very close to 100% most of the time fluctuating obviously. My R7870 2Gb Ghz Edition has not been OC either as its Ghz Edition I have not touched it. So it might be an idea to upgrade to a FX 8000 series CPU then?? That I can afford to do

Double check your GPU usage also, as if that is 90%+ then its balanced.

But, it does sound like a CPU bottle neck. Im sure the 8350 would improve things, with an overclock.

Specialist24o · Sep 23, 2013

RobCrezz :

Specialist24o :

Dayle McNeela :

RobCrezz :

RobCrezz, I noticed that I was getting 94% CPU usage and only 30-50 GPU usage when playing BF3 I had to have the game windowed but I did notice that the CPU was getting very close to 100% most of the time fluctuating obviously. My R7870 2Gb Ghz Edition has not been OC either as its Ghz Edition I have not touched it. So it might be an idea to upgrade to a FX 8000 series CPU then?? That I can afford to do

Double check your GPU usage also, as if that is 90%+ then its balanced.

But, it does sound like a CPU bottle neck. Im sure the 8350 would improve things, with an overclock.

I was looking at that and its got good reviews on it. So I done another test and my GPU was only using 30-40% and my CPU was definitely closer to 100% than the GPU. Thanks Rob I should of waited and put your comment as solved

I am sure it is the CPU now

RobCrezz · Sep 23, 2013

Yup that certainly sounds like a CPU bottleneck, a faster GPU would not really help.

You could always buy a better cooler and try and overclock your FX 6100 further? Either way a good CPU cooler will be beneficial to a 8350 as they do get hot, and you will want to overclock that also.

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