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Phenom II x4 965 or i3-4330?

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September 24, 2013 5:42:40 AM

Building my first gaming rig soon, been on Tom's ALOT. You guys are super helpful. So the intel i3-4330 haswell, or the AMD Phenom II X4 965. I've been leaning towards the i3 because of lower power consumption. Plus I already have a mobo picked out for it. If it helps it will be with the GTX 650 Ti Boost.

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September 24, 2013 5:47:59 AM

I would go with the I3. It has a better upgrade path as well.
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September 24, 2013 5:52:31 AM

hafijur said:
i3 4330 is about 15% faster and has its own igpu and will take around 100w less electricity. The i3 4330 will go well with a 650ti boost.

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September 24, 2013 5:53:45 AM

go for the haswell i3 instead for the aging phenom 2.

no doubt phenom still packs enough punch for most games,but the i3 will still put the phenom to shame in quite a few occasions.

added to it,you will also be able to find awesome mainboards for the intel platform

have fun gaming :) 
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September 24, 2013 6:33:25 AM

The i3 is $150 and is only a dual-core CPU.

I would strongly recommend one of the following CPU's instead:
1) AMD FX-8320 ($160)

2) Intel i5-3350P ($180)

There are Pros and Cons to both.
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September 24, 2013 7:40:17 AM

photonboy said:
The i3 is $150 and is only a dual-core CPU.

I would strongly recommend one of the following CPU's instead:
1) AMD FX-8320 ($160)

2) Intel i5-3350P ($180)

There are Pros and Cons to both.

What would these pros and cons be? Tell me why I should spend more money for either one.
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September 24, 2013 7:54:13 AM

photonboy said:
The i3 is $150 and is only a dual-core CPU.

I would strongly recommend one of the following CPU's instead:
1) AMD FX-8320 ($160)

2) Intel i5-3350P ($180)

There are Pros and Cons to both.

After looking at those 3 CPU's I'm going to stick with the i3. I found a comparison website and the only game I found where any of them were different was Crysis 3. The i3-4330 could do mid-high settings while the i5 and AMD could run high. Also they both run at a much higher power consumption. You have to remember this is one of the best i3's, and it's one of the newest ones, too. Unless you can convince me otherwise, I'm going with the i3-4330.
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September 24, 2013 8:00:28 AM

i'd rather have an i5-3350p than an i3-4330. In 1-2 years, games using 4 threads will be common and at that point, your i3 will lag behind the Ivy bridge i5
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September 24, 2013 8:02:27 AM

LoliElin said:
i'd rather have an i5-3350p than an i3-4330. In 1-2 years, games using 4 threads will be common and at that point, your i3 will lag behind the Ivy bridge i5


The i3-4330 has 4 threads.
http://ark.intel.com/products/77769
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September 24, 2013 8:03:23 AM

jackalan said:
LoliElin said:
i'd rather have an i5-3350p than an i3-4330. In 1-2 years, games using 4 threads will be common and at that point, your i3 will lag behind the Ivy bridge i5


The i3-4330 has 4 threads.


Hyperthreading is not helpful for gaming. The virtual cores are weaker and won't exist when the 2 real cores are at 100%
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September 24, 2013 10:44:37 AM

hafijur said:
The fx6300 will bottleneck the 7950 at games. I would get an i5 if you want the best fps in all games.


No it wont. i have multiple sources on Tom's that tell me it won't. And if it does, I can overclock it.
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September 24, 2013 11:31:24 AM

jackalan said:
hafijur said:
The fx6300 will bottleneck the 7950 at games. I would get an i5 if you want the best fps in all games.


No it wont. i have multiple sources on Tom's that tell me it won't. And if it does, I can overclock it.


You can match an FX 6350 with just a multiplier bump. ;) 
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September 24, 2013 11:54:09 AM

logainofhades said:
jackalan said:
hafijur said:
The fx6300 will bottleneck the 7950 at games. I would get an i5 if you want the best fps in all games.


No it wont. i have multiple sources on Tom's that tell me it won't. And if it does, I can overclock it.


You can match an FX 6350 with just a multiplier bump. ;) 

THe FX 6350 uses waaay to much power.
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September 24, 2013 11:54:51 AM

I'm gong to get the FX-6300 and overclock it to about 4.1.
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September 24, 2013 12:08:13 PM

jackalan said:
I'm gong to get the FX-6300 and overclock it to about 4.1.


You do realize that will be more power than a stock FX 6350 right? FX 6350 is @ 3.9ghz.. :lol:  The only difference between the two chips physically is the multiplier setting. The extra wattage between the two is due to the factory overclock.
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September 24, 2013 12:16:16 PM

logainofhades said:
jackalan said:
I'm gong to get the FX-6300 and overclock it to about 4.1.


You do realize that will be more power than a stock FX 6350 right? FX 6350 is @ 3.9ghz.. :lol:  The only difference between the two chips physically is the multiplier setting. The extra wattage between the two is due to the factory overclock.


Then why would I spend the extra $40 on the 6350? You sir, make no sense. :D 
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September 24, 2013 12:22:20 PM

jackalan said:
logainofhades said:
jackalan said:
I'm gong to get the FX-6300 and overclock it to about 4.1.


You do realize that will be more power than a stock FX 6350 right? FX 6350 is @ 3.9ghz.. :lol:  The only difference between the two chips physically is the multiplier setting. The extra wattage between the two is due to the factory overclock.


Then why would I spend the extra $40 on the 6350? You sir, make no sense. :D 


I wasn't suggesting you buy an FX 6350. I said you can match one on the FX 6300 with a multiplier bump. :lol:  Your comment about power was negated by the fact that you want to clock an FX 6300 to a speed faster than a stock 6350. :p 
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September 24, 2013 12:39:06 PM

logainofhades said:
jackalan said:
logainofhades said:
jackalan said:
I'm gong to get the FX-6300 and overclock it to about 4.1.


You do realize that will be more power than a stock FX 6350 right? FX 6350 is @ 3.9ghz.. :lol:  The only difference between the two chips physically is the multiplier setting. The extra wattage between the two is due to the factory overclock.


Then why would I spend the extra $40 on the 6350? You sir, make no sense. :D 


I wasn't suggesting you buy an FX 6350. I said you can match one on the FX 6300 with a multiplier bump. :lol:  Your comment about power was negated by the fact that you want to clock an FX 6300 to a speed faster than a stock 6350. :p 


I gotcha. :)  Sorry about the confusion... (even though it was my fault) Yeah I have more then enough power with a 620W PSU and I only use 400W with it stock.
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September 24, 2013 6:02:42 PM

jackalan said:
logainofhades said:
I would go with an FX 6300 and use money saved for a better GPU. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That is actually what I'm doing. I'm getting the FX-6300 and getting the Gigabyte HD Radeon 7950.


Lol good I was going to asky why you were comparing an $80 Phenom II to a $130 i3, that's 6300 territory there.
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September 24, 2013 6:11:42 PM

I was originally going for a $650 gaming rig, si I will actually now be using an i5-3470.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Hiy9
That's my whole setup. Probably going to be upgrading the video card later.
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September 25, 2013 6:47:04 AM

You are going to hurt your performance using only 1 stick of ram. You need 2 for dual channel. Also that CX 430 would have to be upgraded to handle a better GPU.

I would go with this 7850 over that 650ti boost. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-hd7850dc22...

This PSU so you have some breathing room for upgrades. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb...

Also here is a dual channel kit for the ram. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/mushkin-memory-996776

I still say an FX 6300 and 7950 is a better option. Games rely on GPU more than CPU, most of the time.
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September 25, 2013 7:10:22 AM

logainofhades said:
You are going to hurt your performance using only 1 stick of ram. You need 2 for dual channel. Also that CX 430 would have to be upgraded to handle a better GPU.

I would go with this 7850 over that 650ti boost. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-hd7850dc22...

This PSU so you have some breathing room for upgrades. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb...
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Hsll
Also here is a dual channel kit for the ram. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/mushkin-memory-996776

I still say an FX 6300 and 7950 is a better option. Games rely on GPU more than CPU, most of the time.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Hsll
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Hsll/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Hsll/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus P8B75-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Kingston Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($48.96 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master RC-430-KWN6 ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($47.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $657.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-25 10:09 EDT-0400)
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September 25, 2013 9:16:01 PM

Minor points:

1. The i5-3570K is only $30 more but it's unlockable.
It can even achieve 4.2GHz without overvoltage and maintain the Intel Power Management. That's 17% faster than the 3470 and 4.6GHz is possible as well if you ever think you need even more power.

2. 1333MHz is still going to bottleneck at times (an provide proof if needed). For $16 more you can get an 1866MHz CL9 kit:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cml8gx3m2a1...

3. The 500W PSU should work, but you can get the 600W version for about $10 more. Power Supplies tend to ramp up fan speed at 50% load and my estimate is that your gaming load would be about 300W. So your system should be slightly quieter, as well as a little less stress to the PSU. Not a huge deal, but then it's only $10.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600...

*Except for these points, I think it's a pretty solid build.
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