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September 24, 2013 9:04:39 AM

Hello,
I am planning to build a PC in the near feature and I'm already searching for the best components, now, it is a fact that I'm just a Geek and nothing more than that and have no experience in building a PC. So I came here for help. This is what it's going to be used for:

I am a 'gamer', every day and some whole weekends (if I didn't plan or have to do anything) and sadly I don't do LAN-party’s, so that's his every day task, gaming. I love high definition open-world games and because of this I need and SSD for faster loading times. I don't store much other files than games and programs on my drive so a 3TB SATA wouldn't be necessary.

I love to max out things, I am born with some perfectionism and want every pixel to be as realistic as possible. Although, I game with a 1080p 60ghz single display and I don’t want to experience any lagg in any game, in fact, I would want it never even come close. So something like a GeForce 760 would be enough for Far Cry 3 Ultra 60 FPS or Skyrim Ultra High-res 60 FPS and other games.

I want it to be handling games with the same performance for like 5 years, although I like to sometimes once a year do a beastly upgrade.
I have a budget, it's around €1500, but feel free to turn that into $2000. I don't want to spend less money on every component and spend the rest on something like a Titan, I want it as cheap as possible, except for some things I'll list here real quick,
I want this to be included:


    - 4x 4GB Corsair Dominator Platinum
    - Motherboard that can handle 2000ghz of memory
    - 120GB or higher Solid State Drive
    - Intel next-generation 'Haswell' processor
    - Corsair Obsidian 900D



I would like it to have a dark blue color scheme, because I'm going to make it as much Corsair focused. So, I really need help finding one of the best motherboards and I like to have some comments on my Geforce 760 idea, if I should do any SLI/Crossfire or any other solutions (SLI/Crossfire would be cool looking though). I’ll say one thing, I will water-cool it fully, GPU+CPU. This isn't included in the budget price, because I will buy it apart from the components. For avoiding any misunderstandings I'll make a 'not included' list, so this is what doesn't have to be chosen for me and you shouldn't even have to help me with:


    - Operating system or any other software
    - Fans*
    - Display screen
    - Sound system
    - Water cooling solutions**



* I won't need them because of my water cooling decision, but I want silent effective fans clipping on my radiator though, any suggestions?
** I plan to just buy a GPU water-block from
ekwb.com, but I have to watch out because I want full covering witch is not always supported for every GPU. I have made my decision for the CPU block though, corsair.com.

Feel free to comment on any of the above!

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a c 663 V Motherboard
September 24, 2013 9:15:49 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£174.98 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£147.67 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£136.79 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 4GB Video Card (£243.32 @ Dabs)
Case: Corsair 900D ATX Full Tower Case (£286.00 @ Aria PC)
Total: £988.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-24 17:25 BST+0100)





September 24, 2013 9:16:28 AM

You sorta killed yourself when you said you want "perfection" and want it to last for 5yrs.

Every high end motherboard that can handle a Haswell processor should be able to handle "2000Mhz" memory.

The only thing you've really limited yourself on is the color blue.

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September 24, 2013 9:50:50 AM

namdlo said:
You sorta killed yourself when you said you want "perfection" and want it to last for 5yrs.

Every high end motherboard that can handle a Haswell processor should be able to handle "2000Mhz" memory.

The only thing you've really limited yourself on is the color blue.



Killed myself? I do not understand.. I meant more like that it still can max games in the next 5 years. The motherboard thing is good to know though and I can always pick a diffrent colour.
September 24, 2013 10:14:50 AM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£174.98 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£147.67 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£136.79 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 4GB Video Card (£243.32 @ Dabs)
Case: Corsair 900D ATX Full Tower Case (£286.00 @ Aria PC)
Total: £988.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-24 17:25 BST+0100)


Thanks! Really good build with a really good price, but I like the Dominator Platinums from Corsair. By the way, I've came up with some questions:
Do I need a i7 or is a i5 good enough, any diffrence between Haswell and Ivy-bridge?
Is there any other solution than a GTX 760?
Any problems with CPU sockets that I can encounter with my build?
September 24, 2013 10:38:48 AM

Rico Schouten said:
namdlo said:
You sorta killed yourself when you said you want "perfection" and want it to last for 5yrs.

Every high end motherboard that can handle a Haswell processor should be able to handle "2000Mhz" memory.

The only thing you've really limited yourself on is the color blue.



Killed myself? I do not understand.. I meant more like that it still can max games in the next 5 years. The motherboard thing is good to know though and I can always pick a diffrent colour.


Nothing you buy today is going to max games 5 years from now.

The best video card from 5yrs ago was the GTX 280 - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Best-Graphics-Card,...

Not something I'd suggest to someone today.

The most common gaming cpu in 2008 was the i7-920 - still a decent processor but not top of the line by any means now - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q...

5years is a LONG time away - you're going to have to upgrade just about every part over that timeframe to keep up with maxing games out.

If you're just playing games then the i5 should be fine. Very few games using the hyperthreading that the i7 offers. The difference between Haswell and IB is about a 3-5% increase in preformance. Once again in 5yrs you won't be using the same motherboard because they'll have a new socket by then and you more than likely won't be using the same memory either. The Haswell and IB both use the 1150 socket.

The GTX 760 is a good video card but obviously the GTX 770 and the Titan are higher end.

When you discussed SLI/Crossfire - SLI is for Nvidia only while Crossfire is for AMD only.

You should be fine with a 760 running most games at 1080p resolution (for now).

Watercooling - make sure you understand what you're getting into. You have to maintain a watercooling system. You should change out the water every 6 months - not the easiest thing to do. Also expect to budget $400-800 for a proper watercooling system.
a c 663 V Motherboard
September 24, 2013 11:39:55 AM

Go with the newer Haswell platform , no use in going backwards.
September 24, 2013 11:42:28 AM

namdlo said:
Rico Schouten said:
namdlo said:
You sorta killed yourself when you said you want "perfection" and want it to last for 5yrs.

Every high end motherboard that can handle a Haswell processor should be able to handle "2000Mhz" memory.

The only thing you've really limited yourself on is the color blue.



Killed myself? I do not understand.. I meant more like that it still can max games in the next 5 years. The motherboard thing is good to know though and I can always pick a diffrent colour.


Nothing you buy today is going to max games 5 years from now.

The best video card from 5yrs ago was the GTX 280 - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Best-Graphics-Card,...

Not something I'd suggest to someone today.

The most common gaming cpu in 2008 was the i7-920 - still a decent processor but not top of the line by any means now - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q...

5years is a LONG time away - you're going to have to upgrade just about every part over that timeframe to keep up with maxing games out.

If you're just playing games then the i5 should be fine. Very few games using the hyperthreading that the i7 offers. The difference between Haswell and IB is about a 3-5% increase in preformance. Once again in 5yrs you won't be using the same motherboard because they'll have a new socket by then and you more than likely won't be using the same memory either. The Haswell and IB both use the 1150 socket.

The GTX 760 is a good video card but obviously the GTX 770 and the Titan are higher end.

When you discussed SLI/Crossfire - SLI is for Nvidia only while Crossfire is for AMD only.

You should be fine with a 760 running most games at 1080p resolution (for now).

Watercooling - make sure you understand what you're getting into. You have to maintain a watercooling system. You should change out the water every 6 months - not the easiest thing to do. Also expect to budget $400-800 for a proper watercooling system.


Thanks, you really helping me out here today!
Maybe 5 years is long, with all the next-gen comming up. I really want the motherboard to last long though, so I probely are going with the 1150 socket for Broadwell architexture. I know, doesn't do that much, but I have a need to keep up with next-generation, really cash consuming though! So, I probely wait for the Broadwell to come out. Also, I was aware of SLI and Crossfire diffrence (did my research) and really want a GTX 770, because its awesome. I am also aware of the costs of water cooling, but hey, every OC'er must start somewhere.
September 24, 2013 11:47:52 AM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
Go with the newer Haswell platform , no use in going backwards.


I was also thinking of going with Haswell, but I think I'll wait for Broadwell or Haswell-E till 2014. Any comments on that? I'll need a 1150 socket then I guess, don't like the RAM-slot positions though, but I shouldn't care to much about the looks I think.
September 24, 2013 11:51:36 AM

Talking about the LGA 1150 socket, H81, B85, Q85, Q87, H87 or Z87? Wich should I choose? I like to have RAM-slots on each side of the CPU-socket, just for the looks you know.
a c 663 V Motherboard
September 24, 2013 11:53:14 AM

Z87 < Is for performance and overclocking , usually paired with a k = unlocked CPU.
September 24, 2013 11:28:45 PM

MSI Z87-G43 vs. MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX vs. ASUS MAXIMUS VI FORMULA
Any big difference in performance or functionality? In my country its €110 vs. €230 vs. €270, so if there aren't big difference excluding the on-board-audio, PCI-slots and USB, LAN, etc. I would go with the MSI's G43, smart choice?
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