Help a Newbie! Overwhelmed.. juuust a tad.

Michelle Beth

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Okay, because I'm neurotic about what components I want, I need to either:
1. buy a computer from a company like Maingear, iBuyPower, etc etc, with a price tag of about 3k.
2. build my own system, with same components, with a price tag considerably lower.

Since I'm getting help with purchasing this system, I don't have full say. The other party is against non mainstream computer company internet sites, so Maingear and the type are out.

So I've decided to build my own...
I have a Microcenter located near my house (for once fate is on my side).. and I'm going to get all the parts from there (after deciding on NewEgg which parts I want).

I'm a little confused over how to be sure the mother board is compatible with all the components (as in.. nothing is crowding into something else... etc.) How do you guys deal with this? What about the chassis not fitting the motherboard? Is that possible? So confused.

This was a test spec I came up with.. what do you guys think of it:

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VGA: GeForce GTX 780 3GB
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GXM
MOBO: ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire Intel Haswell Ready Power Supply

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Thanks for all the help!!

I'm going to post my finalized specs when I get them here and have you wonderful people look them over - thanks so much in advance!!
 
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Great choice! Building your own is the way to go =D

http://pcpartpicker.com/ has a compatibility function that should help.

You can get a cheaper motherboard (just get ATX unless you're looking for a small form factor case). As long as it has the functions you want (USB 3.0, 2 pci-express lanes etc...) and has decent reviews/build quality. I know some boards are better for overclocking and others aren't, so if that matters then you may need to check out reviews.

If you are getting an ATX mobo then there isn't too much to worry about in terms of spacing. The manufacturers think of that when designing the board. I've never had an issue with not having enough physical room on a mobo. Although I suppose if you are doing 3 way sli or...

ACTechy

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That looks pretty nice/crazy.

What case are you going to put it in? As long as it's not a mini/micro, you'll be fine. The CPU and RAM are a bit overkill, especially if you're mainly gaming. I'd grab an i5 and 8GB, save some dough there. The motherboard is a bit on the high end too, so unless money is not an issue, you could tone that down as well. All these parts are compatible and will run well together, it's just a matter of whether you really want to pay that much, and the reality of some performance you'll never see (again, depending on your usage).

 

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Great choice! Building your own is the way to go =D

http://pcpartpicker.com/ has a compatibility function that should help.

You can get a cheaper motherboard (just get ATX unless you're looking for a small form factor case). As long as it has the functions you want (USB 3.0, 2 pci-express lanes etc...) and has decent reviews/build quality. I know some boards are better for overclocking and others aren't, so if that matters then you may need to check out reviews.

If you are getting an ATX mobo then there isn't too much to worry about in terms of spacing. The manufacturers think of that when designing the board. I've never had an issue with not having enough physical room on a mobo. Although I suppose if you are doing 3 way sli or anything else extreme you could potentially run into problems.

As others have mentioned an i7 doesn't makes a huge improvement over an i5 in games. Same with 16 vs 8 GB of RAM (although neither of those more extravagant options will hurt). Personally I'd rather save my money and use it towards some games/travel/next build/savings/whatever floats your boat.

Touching the subject of a case...they are all designed to fit certain types. For example, most full/mid tower cases can fit ATX/micro ATX and even some can fit Extended ATX. Then there are smaller ATX cases (for micro atx only) and even smaller ITX cases. If you just look at the case it should tell you what size mobo you can fit in it.

For a suggestion of a case, I have a Raven 02 and I love it. Great looking, quiet and has great airflow. The Raven 03 came out and looks to be great as well! I highly suggest you check them out.

You may also want to look at getting a modular PSU. It is just more convenient and gives you easier cable management. I don't know a ton about PSU's so I don't have a specific suggestion.

One last suggestion. Get a SSD for your boot drive. I have a SSD and a normal HDD on my computer. I installed windows and the most demanding games on my SSD and the rest on my HDD. Mostly the SSD helps with load times, and I swear I will never have a computer that doesn't have windows on an SSD ever again.

Hope his helps a bit!
 
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Michelle Beth

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Thank you so much for all the help!! I love this place. :) :)

I admit.. I do like gaming, but I'm not a hard core gamer. I tend to go overboard and want 'the newest and the best!' with these types of things. I'm the type that buys something that's high end-ish for its time, then use the hell out of it until it's literally left behind. (For example, my Dell Dimension 8250 is going on 11 years old.. and it's my main computer, my only computer.) It's given me hardly any problems over the years, except for the hard drive dying a year after I bought it, and it's probably because I'm extremely possessive and protective of it and what goes on it... *shrug* I only say this because my mom has a $900 Toshiba that's about a couple years old, and my 11 year old system runs faster that her two year one does. I can only think it may be because my mom is not computer savvy I always end up having to remove a ton of malware, spyware and other bloatware that comes bundled with stuff that she neglects to uncheck.

One big problem is that because Windows 8 is officially out, (I hate Windows 8 and refuse to buy it.. but what are you opinions on this OS?). Well, because of Win8, it drastically cuts down options for 'computer in a box' systems. This is one of the main reasons I turned to Maingear, and companies like it, because they still offer Windows 7, and they offer the level of customization that I require. (I'm very nit picky about everything and want complete control.. I'm a control freak with my future computer, I admit it.) Honestly, if XP allowed for more than 4GB of RAM, I'd still want to stick with it.

I think it would be best if I say what I mainly use my current computer for.. and you guys can help me adjust my specs (so I don't go crazy overboard.. even though it's SO SO tempting).

I use Adobe programs like Photoshop, Illustrator, and inDesign on a daily basis. (At the moment, I have to close everything and open one of them at a time because of my computer's age... but it gets by.)

I also dabble in 3d, and my computer can run Maya 9 and Max 9 (not at the same time of course). I have a single monitor set up, and I doubt I'm going to do dual monitors... but you never know. I can render, but it's not that great, since my system is so old. I'd like to be able to create full scenes, with movement, and render them fully, with the resulting video being high quality.

I do some video editing, and I would like to be able to use After Effects, Premier Pro, Sony Vegas, etc. At the moment, I use a combo of Flash, Photoshop, and an older version of program called Magix Video Edit Pro (the version I have is about 6 years old, and works much better than the current version).

I do love to play games on my PC, but I'm not a hard core gamer. The games I play are free to play MMORPGS that have been around for years, and are more forgiving of older PCs, as well as the Sims 2 and the Sims 3 (although the Sims 3 does give me grief and I have to set everything to the lowest setting so it looks fugly. But for the new traits, including being 'evil' and being a kleptomaniac, I can ignore the poor graphics).

I watch a lot of videos on my PC, and sometimes it can handle 720p, and sometimes it can't. It's kind of odd.

For the system I would like:

I want a computer that is able to handle having six or more programs open simultaneously that each eat huge amounts of RAM and CPU power. (Adobe programs are notorious for this, at least on my system). With Adobe programs, it's often much more useful to have a lot of them open so that you can switch back and forth, and end up with a hybrid outcome for your work (for me at least).

I'd want the system to be able to handle high quality 3d rendering, both of stills and of video frames that would form a clip.

I'd want the system to be very future proof, meaning it will last me a long long time. I like to keep my current systems for as long as possible (heh, look at the example I posted of the 11 year old one for evidence of this.).

I guess I'm the kind that likes to get a high end system at the current time, use it for as long as possible, and then get another high end system 8 or so years later. I know this is not the norm, and most people seem to buy a new computer very 3 to 5 years.. but I personally dislike this model of purchase. It would be different if they were buying components to update their system, but buying a completely new system every 3 years doesn't agree with me.

Do you think this opinion I have on buying systems is a good one? Or, am I screwing myself over? Is it better to buy a midrange system every 3 years or so? It just seems to make more sense to buy a high end system, and have it last quite a bit longer if you take good care of it.

The reason I keep eyeing the GTX 780 is because it seems more future proof than the 770 or lower.. which is something I'm all for.

Thanks so much for all of your help. Everyone here has given me the confidence to (consider) building my own system. I have basically gone from the point where I was terrified of opening my Dell's Chassis to change the cmos battery, to considering building a computer from scratch.
-Michelle
 

ACTechy

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Gotcha. At your stated usage, your original build actually looks pretty solid.

You want the best Nvidia card you can afford (CUDA acceleration in Adobe, as you're probably aware) and the 780 ought to do the trick well. The i7 is the only processor you want in a video rig, so check there. 16GB of RAM should be good. However, if you can afford Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate, you can throw more RAM at it, which will help all your editing programs.

I think your theory is good. Buy quality/good stuff now. Don't upgrade for several years.
 

Michelle Beth

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Heh, you replied while I was still editing my post again. (Yes I tend to be OCD with... everything.)

And I'm ashamed to say I didn't know what CUDA was until I googled it a moment ago. It's probably because I was out of the technology loop for some years, back when my computer was handling my programs better (I had to stop at Adobe CS4, I think the current CS6 would make my computer cry out in pain.)

Thanks so much for the advice on the video card, the RAM, and the bit about which WIn7 version.

And yay, someone agrees with my theory on purchasing/upgrading! :)
 

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For sure. Here's a thread about how to enable CUDA when it comes time: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1810314/adobe-premiere-cs5-run-laptop.html

There are also good YouTube tutorials on this.

Cheers!
 
Yup, for what your doing the rig is pretty good. The mobo and PSU is a bit overkill, but I can see why you went that way from the future-proof perspective.

If it lasting a long time is your aim, I suggest you invest in a good case and display setup (say a 1440p screen). Those will last near forever and wont go obsolete anytime soon. Because ultimately the core components of the rig (CPU, GPU, Mobo and RAM) will always need upgrading to stay relevant, while the case and monitor not really to the same extent. Spend big in these "outer" items and when it does come time to upgrade you can re-use them and your upgrade is significantly cheaper.
 

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Ah, yeah I got to agree. Your original build looks pretty solid now that we have more info on your uses.

If you build it yourself you can simply buy a copy of Windows 7 pro (or if someone like Maingear builds it, although that usually comes with a hefty premium).

If you can't tell I'm a big proponent of building it yourself =D It is super easy and fun!

Good luck!
 

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With Maya and the others, and will be wanting to multi-task, might suggest kicking up to 32GB of DRAM, and going higher freq will increase the bandwidth, might look at 2400 4x8GB tridents, that's what I run on my IB, or even going up, I went 32GB 2666 on my Hero, it's great when getting into video, images, CAD, VMs etc