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September 28, 2013 3:08:21 PM

So, as the title said, this is my first ever build. I'll be using it primarily for gaming, but also for 3D modelling/rendering and video editing (hence the higher ram and vram).
I have a good idea of what I want as far as cpu, graphics and ram goes, but only a vague idea for the motherboard, case, cooler, psu, etc. Is anything below overkill, or not enough? My budget is £1200 at absolute max, but I'm looking to save where possible.

Also, pcpartpicker flagged a compatibility issue between the CM-690 II and the GTX 770. Is this a real problem, or just a mistake on their part?
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Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard has an onboard USB 3.0 header, but the Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case does not have front panel USB 3.0 ports.



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£175.19 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£142.60 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£125.00 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.39 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£365.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1192.01
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 22:55 BST+0100)

Edit: I realise that this should probably have been posted in systems rather than components, but I'm not sure how to move it. So, hopefully that won't cause too much trouble for the admins :whistle: 
September 28, 2013 3:20:06 PM

That isn't really a compatibility issue. Basically the CM 690 II front panel doesn't have USB 3. So instead of using your USB 3 header for the front panel you will just use your USB 2 header. You will still have access to USB 3 on the back of the motherboard if you need it.
In synthetic benchmarks USB 3 is shown to be faster then USB 2 but in daily use I haven't notice much of a difference. Just my experience.
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September 28, 2013 3:26:50 PM

audiophillia said:
That isn't really a compatibility issue. Basically the CM 690 II front panel doesn't have USB 3. So instead of using your USB 3 header for the front panel you will just use your USB 2 header.


So, this won't present any complications for the build? Also, is there anything that is a bit overkill, or not powerful enough? (Specifically, I'm thinking of the mobo and psu)
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September 28, 2013 3:35:15 PM

blazinghydra said:
So, as the title said, this is my first ever build. I'll be using it primarily for gaming, but also for 3D modelling/rendering and video editing (hence the higher ram and vram).
I have a good idea of what I want as far as cpu, graphics and ram goes, but only a vague idea for the motherboard, case, cooler, psu, etc. Is anything below overkill, or not enough? My budget is £1200 at absolute max, but I'm looking to save where possible.

Also, pcpartpicker flagged a compatibility issue between the CM-690 II and the GTX 770. Is this a real problem, or just a mistake on their part?
Quote:
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard has an onboard USB 3.0 header, but the Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case does not have front panel USB 3.0 ports.



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£175.19 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£142.60 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£125.00 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.39 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£365.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1192.01
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 22:55 BST+0100)

Edit: I realise that this should probably have been posted in systems rather than components, but I'm not sure how to move it. So, hopefully that won't cause too much trouble for the admins :whistle: 


I will build you a better system, and no there is no compatibility issue with that, since your case doesn't have a USB 3.0 port on the front, it will just be unused, however I do have a couple of suggestions to get your moneys worth. What is your top dollar?
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September 28, 2013 3:56:33 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.
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September 28, 2013 3:59:17 PM

ddbtkd456 said:
What is your top dollar?


As I said, I don't want to spend a penny more than £1200. I need enough ram and vram for my rendering and video editing work, so at least 12gb DDR3-1600 (preferably 16gb, since there isnt a massive price difference), and at least 3GB on the graphics card. I plan on playing most games on ultra, at 1080p at 60fps, and the 770 is the best graphics solution I saw for that within my budget. The cpu I picked is mainly necessary for the 3D stuff, but also to prevent bottlenecks in games such as GW2. An SSD as a boot drive would be very nice, but it isn't necessary I guess. That said, I'd rather not drop it unless it's for a really good part that will make a noticeable difference. Finally, the case is more or less decided. I really like the price and reviews on it, but if you can suggest better, then I'm all ears. As for the rest, I've made my best guess.
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September 28, 2013 4:01:58 PM

ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Definitely A solid build for what you want to do, look into this setup.
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September 28, 2013 4:10:13 PM

Thrillogy said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Definitely A solid build for what you want to do, look into this setup.


Yeah, he actually got that build posted before I could even post my requirements :p 
I think instead of 2 4gb sticks of ram, I'll get 1 8gb to begin with, then add another if I start see performance drops in 3DS Max. The only thing that scares me is the water cooling. I know it does a better job, but I have a "what if" horror story scenario in the back of my mind. Is it reliable for 2-3+ years? Is it easy to set up properly?
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a b U Graphics card
September 28, 2013 4:11:16 PM

Sorry for the inconvenience I went a couple of pounds over (16 GB tho)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£97.59 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1202.83
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-29 00:11 BST+0100)


Also I gave you this setup (2x8 GB) for a reason, that way if your rendering in the future requires more RAM then this you don't have to buy the whole set over again, you can just get (recommended to get the exact same set of RAM, for numerous reasons) another set and have 32 GB (max memory this board supports). Hope this helps and please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.
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September 28, 2013 4:17:31 PM

blazinghydra said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Thrillogy said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Definitely A solid build for what you want to do, look into this setup.


Yeah, he actually got that build posted before I could even post my requirements :p 
I think instead of 2 4gb sticks of ram, I'll get 1 8gb to begin with, then add another if I start see performance drops in 3DS Max. The only thing that scares me is the water cooling. I know it does a better job, but I have a "what if" horror story scenario in the back of my mind. Is it reliable for 2-3+ years? Is it easy to set up properly?


They don't call me a speed demon for nothing lol. I watch these forums like a hawk. Anyways to answer your question, I know for a fact that both the Kraken (140 mm fans) and the Corsair H-series (120 mm fans) are both backed by a warranty, and both have excellent customer service. Both of these companies have built there water coolers to be maintenance free and problem free, and since they don't have to be taken apart to be cleaned, then there is almost a zero chance of causing any sort of problems. Granted the Corsair is a little better built then the Kraken, but Kraken is still the only one that does a 140 mm single radiator.
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September 28, 2013 4:19:07 PM

blazinghydra said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Thrillogy said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Definitely A solid build for what you want to do, look into this setup.


Yeah, he actually got that build posted before I could even post my requirements :p 
I think instead of 2 4gb sticks of ram, I'll get 1 8gb to begin with, then add another if I start see performance drops in 3DS Max. The only thing that scares me is the water cooling. I know it does a better job, but I have a "what if" horror story scenario in the back of my mind. Is it reliable for 2-3+ years? Is it easy to set up properly?


Honestly, I'm no expert on Cooler Master liquid cooling, less so on the cooler in question, but I'm doing research as we speak. from what little experience I have, I know they are very low maintenance, but that's all I can confirm.. however, it is a higher quality cooler, so it should be relatively easy to install.
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September 28, 2013 4:20:00 PM

ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Thanks alot for the help. I didn't really know that about EVGA graphics cards. I always thought Windforce ran cooler, and cooler = better. I guess it's more complicated than that :/ 

For the ram, I think I'll get a single 8gb of the brand you recommended to start, but add an extra stick later if things start to choke in the 3D software.

And is liquid cooling easy enough to set up for someone who has never even built a computer before?
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September 28, 2013 4:20:28 PM

lol you beat me to it. anyways, from what I just read, you appear to be right.
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September 28, 2013 4:25:05 PM

Thrillogy said:
blazinghydra said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Thrillogy said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Definitely A solid build for what you want to do, look into this setup.


Yeah, he actually got that build posted before I could even post my requirements :p 
I think instead of 2 4gb sticks of ram, I'll get 1 8gb to begin with, then add another if I start see performance drops in 3DS Max. The only thing that scares me is the water cooling. I know it does a better job, but I have a "what if" horror story scenario in the back of my mind. Is it reliable for 2-3+ years? Is it easy to set up properly?


Honestly, I'm no expert on Cooler Master liquid cooling, less so on the cooler in question, but I'm doing research as we speak. from what little experience I have, I know they are very low maintenance, but that's all I can confirm.. however, it is a higher quality cooler, so it should be relatively easy to install.


Haha simple mistake (Corsair), we all make mistakes tho, and yes you are right they are very very easy to install as long as you get the right socket setup for it. The corsair are alot easier to install then the Kraken X-series (I run a corsair h100i in one computer, and my fancy computer complete with the NZXT Switch 810 (very beautiful case btw) runs a Kraken, so i can speak from experiance.

Test load proof (NZXT Switch 810 with a total of 10 fans including 4 on the radiator)

Prime 95 stress test (ran last night for 8 hours)

The water cooler kept the CPU temperature right about 92-93 degrees F (34 degrees in C) for 8 hours straight with the pumps on max and the fans (except the ones on the radiator) at 60% manual with my fan controller. So yes i would fully recommend a water cooler (that was very very cold for that amount of stress i was putting on the FX-8350) for an Intel build, since they since Intel processors run a lot cooler then the AMD processor. Most computers under that stress load would be at about 120-130 degrees F, so yes water cooling can drop a temperature like its nothing. I then ran a second one (this morning for 6 hours) and the fans fully one, and my temperature stayed about 87-88 degrees F (31.3 degrees C), and at ideal (just sitting there normally) it stays about 84-85 degrees F (just slightly above 29 degrees C).
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September 28, 2013 4:32:52 PM

blazinghydra said:
ddbtkd456 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£83.32 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£99.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£74.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£47.84 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card (£409.54 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced NVIDIA Edition ATX Mid Tower Case (£82.43 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£73.81 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£12.98 @ Novatech)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£67.69 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1163.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-28 23:47 BST+0100)

This will be a much better system for you.

My recommendations explained:

CPU: I swapped out your i5 for another i5, since this one is faster, and will give you better gaming performance.

Motherboard: No need for USB 3.0 support (so why pay extra for it), these motherboards are very reliable when it comes to performance, plus they are great if your going to over-clock. They have both SLI and Crossfire support for them.

CPU Cooler: Water cooling will keep your CPU temps to a lot lower level then air cooling. This radiator (includes 2 fans you will have to find 2 more (if your case doesn't come with the top fan for a push/pull radiator) will fit in your case since it is 240 mm (2 x 120 mm fans) mount it on the top of your case and watch the temps fall.

RAM: There is no reason for 16 gb of ram, i chose red i think it will look sweet on that motherboard, so i reduced it to 8 GB, most games can't even use 6 GB of ram let alone 8.

Storage: I updated your 1TB drive since you will get more performance less then a pound more, and the difference in performance is night and day.

Video Card: This card i suggested will give you better performance and better reliability then the one you chose.

Hope this helps and I hope you like it, also please remember to select the best solution so that others may learn from this thread. Thank you for your time.


Thanks alot for the help. I didn't really know that about EVGA graphics cards. I always thought Windforce ran cooler, and cooler = better. I guess it's more complicated than that :/ 

For the ram, I think I'll get a single 8gb of the brand you recommended to start, but add an extra stick later if things start to choke in the 3D software.

And is liquid cooling easy enough to set up for someone who has never even built a computer before?


The hardest parts are the retention ring and the CPU socket setup:

Walk through Video on the setup (watch it before you buy it so you know if your comfortable with it) :) 

http://tinyurl.com/mqj29oz

Youtube video, i had long un-needed URL addresses.
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September 28, 2013 4:41:11 PM

Again, thanks everyone for the help, and I'm going to modify my design to fit what ddbtkd456 recommended. However, I may at some point upgrade to 16gb of ram to give me some breathing room when working on a 3d project, so for the moment I'll use a single 8gb stick rather than the suggested 2 4gb stcks and go from there. :) 

Edit: Things were moving so fast, I didn't even see you were 2 steps ahead :D 
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September 28, 2013 4:44:29 PM

Like i said that is you choice, i would actually recommend the 16 GB for the rendering part, but i like more then i can handle. With 16 GB of ram in my FX-8350 even at all cores maxed out (8 threads) it still wants more to do. I don't really know if that is a good thing but there is breathing room beyond 100% usage figure that one out lol. Anyways remember to select your best solution so others may learn from this thread.
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September 28, 2013 4:44:41 PM

Hope you enjoy! :D 
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September 28, 2013 4:52:50 PM

ddbtkd456 said:
Like i said that is you choice, i would actually recommend the 16 GB for the rendering part, but i like more then i can handle. With 16 GB of ram in my FX-8350 even at all cores maxed out (8 threads) it still wants more to do. I don't really know if that is a good thing but there is breathing room beyond 100% usage figure that one out lol. Anyways remember to select your best solution so others may learn from this thread.


Don't get me wrong, 16gb will happen, but I've been getting by on 4gb for 3 years, so I think I can wait a little while longer to upgrade from 8 to 16 :)  Again, thanks for all the help. I've picked best solution, because it answers my question perfectly and improves the areas where, lets face it, I didn't really know what I was doing. Thanks alot, man :D 
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September 28, 2013 5:01:54 PM

ddb definitely deserves best solution, really nice build
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September 28, 2013 5:06:13 PM

blazinghydra said:
ddbtkd456 said:
Like i said that is you choice, i would actually recommend the 16 GB for the rendering part, but i like more then i can handle. With 16 GB of ram in my FX-8350 even at all cores maxed out (8 threads) it still wants more to do. I don't really know if that is a good thing but there is breathing room beyond 100% usage figure that one out lol. Anyways remember to select your best solution so others may learn from this thread.


Don't get me wrong, 16gb will happen, but I've been getting by on 4gb for 3 years, so I think I can wait a little while longer to upgrade from 8 to 16 :)  Again, thanks for all the help. I've picked best solution, because it answers my question perfectly and improves the areas where, lets face it, I didn't really know what I was doing. Thanks alot, man :D 


Of course, feel free to pm me with any future questions (goes to @ Thrillogy as well), I am pretty knowledgable when it comes to computers so there is few questions i can't answer. Also thank you @Thrillogy for the support, although I'm sure you would've answered it as well since you were already researching it (I research the crap out of stuff). Have a good day, and remember I am only a message away.
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