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September 29, 2013 11:39:12 AM

When do you all think DDR4 will be released? Will their be a certain company that will have it first (Corsair, Kingston, etc.)? Will a new set of processors need to be released to accommodate DDR4?

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September 29, 2013 12:57:12 PM

Think looking to the end of the year, 1st quarter of 2014 - and no it won't require new CPUs, will initially see mobos taking it in a combo with DDR3 sticks (i.e. 2 sticks of each or whatever so you can use either 3 or 4, and native DDR4 mobos, sam as what the did when DDR3 came out and they had a bunch of Hybrid socket 775 mobos
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October 3, 2013 12:34:04 AM

Tradesman1 said:
Think looking to the end of the year, 1st quarter of 2014 - and no it won't require new CPUs, will initially see mobos taking it in a combo with DDR3 sticks (i.e. 2 sticks of each or whatever so you can use either 3 or 4, and native DDR4 mobos, sam as what the did when DDR3 came out and they had a bunch of Hybrid socket 775 mobos

on socket 775 he memory controller was installed on the chipset giving you the ability to swap the motherboard in the possessors today the memory controller is integrated in the CPU swapping out the mother board wont make a difrence
a c 1591 } Memory
October 3, 2013 12:02:58 PM

JOHNN93 said:
Tradesman1 said:
Think looking to the end of the year, 1st quarter of 2014 - and no it won't require new CPUs, will initially see mobos taking it in a combo with DDR3 sticks (i.e. 2 sticks of each or whatever so you can use either 3 or 4, and native DDR4 mobos, sam as what the did when DDR3 came out and they had a bunch of Hybrid socket 775 mobos

on socket 775 he memory controller was installed on the chipset giving you the ability to swap the motherboard in the possessors today the memory controller is integrated in the CPU swapping out the mother board wont make a difrence

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Not sure what you are saying, sounds like you may be thinking that can just use DDR4 in a current DDR3 mobo, (as said not clear what you are saying), but DDR4 won't work in a current mobo - DDR3 is a 240 Pin design while DDR4 comes in a 288 Pin design - not criticizing or arguing, just clarifying


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a b } Memory
October 3, 2013 12:37:30 PM
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Tradesman1 said:
JOHNN93 said:
Tradesman1 said:
Think looking to the end of the year, 1st quarter of 2014 - and no it won't require new CPUs, will initially see mobos taking it in a combo with DDR3 sticks (i.e. 2 sticks of each or whatever so you can use either 3 or 4, and native DDR4 mobos, sam as what the did when DDR3 came out and they had a bunch of Hybrid socket 775 mobos

on socket 775 he memory controller was installed on the chipset giving you the ability to swap the motherboard in the possessors today the memory controller is integrated in the CPU swapping out the mother board wont make a difrence

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Not sure what you are saying, sounds like you may be thinking that can just use DDR4 in a current DDR3 mobo, (as said not clear what you are saying), but DDR4 won't work in a current mobo - DDR3 is a 240 Pin design while DDR4 comes in a 288 Pin design - not criticizing or arguing, just clarifying




the memory type is sported in modern processors by the CPU.
even if a mother board comes with a DDR4 slot the CPU won't support it.
You do have a point here if they integrate a DDR4 memory controller in the motherboard but will they make a chip set that supports new and old possessors.best thing is wait and see.
a c 1591 } Memory
October 3, 2013 1:05:20 PM

My bad, didn't word that very well, sorry bout that....there was talk of Broadwell for Desktop being available sooner than DDR4, but all that was slipped and now Broadwell for desktop may not even come about, it will be new CPUs, beginning with Haswell-E and then into prob Skylake unless they re-decide again on Broadwell, not positive what my fingers were thinking on the keyboard, thanks for catching that
November 24, 2013 10:36:27 AM

Is it a bad idea to upgrade my motherboard now?
I mean should I wait for the new board that support ddr4 then upgrade my board?
a b } Memory
November 24, 2013 11:10:45 AM

Upgrade from FX 6300 to...?
Is there an application / game that you can't run due to the system's specifications?
November 24, 2013 11:31:15 AM

Im not the first here to say this but DDR4 isnt compatible with DDR3 Ram. Here are the comparisons.

DDR3
1.2–1.65 Volts
800 to 2133 MT/s
240-pin
Pin spacing is 1mm
Width is 1mm
Height is 30.35 mm


DDR4
1.05–1.2 Volts
2133–4266 MT/s
288-pin
Pin spacing is .85mm
Thickness is 1.2mm (to better accommodate more signal layers)
Height is 31.25 mm (to make signal routing easier)


On a different note, the topology is different. DDR4 doesn't use dual or quad channel anymore

DDR3
Dual Channel
Lane 1 ==== Ram Stick 1 ==== Ram Stick 2
=================================
Lane 2 ==== Ram Stick 3 ==== Ram Stick 4

Quad Channel
Lane 1 ==== Ram Stick 1
===================
Lane 2 ==== Ram Stick 2
===================
Lane 3 ==== Ram Stick 3
===================
Lane 4 ==== Ram Stick 4

In DDR4, Every Stick has its own independent lane meaning if the board has 2 slots, its dual channel, 4 slots, quad channel, 8 slots, Oct Channel.

Lastly, the more sticks you use on a DDR4 board, in theory, increases bandwidth for the ram vs DDR3 your limited to however many channels the board supports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4_SDRAM

Although I used wikipedia, I looked at the sources for what i mentioned to confirm them.


First generation DDR4 Ram is suppose to be released sometime next month or January if it gets pushed back. Most Likely no Non APU boards will offer support. Only APU boards offer native PCI-E 3.0 support anyway.
November 24, 2013 11:39:22 AM

alexoiu said:
Upgrade from FX 6300 to...?
Is there an application / game that you can't run due to the system's specifications?


My pc specs:
CPU: phenom II x6 1090t
GPU: HD 6670
MB: MSI E41-880GM
RAM: 4GB DDR3
Power supply: 850w
HDD: 250GB x2

And i wanna upgrade my pc so is it bad idea to upgrade now should i wait until DDR4 ram and board?
November 24, 2013 11:55:54 AM

gack2009 said:
alexoiu said:
Upgrade from FX 6300 to...?
Is there an application / game that you can't run due to the system's specifications?


My pc specs:
CPU: phenom II x6 1090t
GPU: HD 6670
MB: MSI E41-880GM
RAM: 4GB DDR3
Power supply: 850w
HDD: 250GB x2

And i wanna upgrade my pc so is it bad idea to upgrade now should i wait until DDR4 ram and board?


DDR3 ram wont start being phased out till maybe 2010. and DDR4 is coming out in a matter of a month or so. If you absolutely need a new computer you might as well get one, but if you wanna wait and pay more for brand new first generation parts, thats ok too. I know some people will wait till 2nd or 3rd generation parts start coming out since newer revisions means more stable parts.
a b } Memory
November 24, 2013 12:09:30 PM

The specs you've listed would allow you running decently any app/game so I suggest waiting not only for newer boards but also for better prices.
January 9, 2014 9:40:56 AM

the ddr3 being phased out, i am assuming that is a typo ? lol

Im currently going through a dilemma, just bought BF4, being a gamer, i assumed my pc would cope with it, at least on low settings until, as you said 2nd and 3rd gen parts start surfacing.
My current specs listed below

E6750 oc to 3ghz
mobo striker extreme
ddr2 4gb corsair dominators 8500
gfx is nvidia 560 ti

before anyone says anything, yeah my parts are pretty old now, but it actually runs all the new games at maxed out settings (batman origins, grid 2 and a few others), im only running a 22" @ 1680 x 1050 which is fine for me as i sit right in front of it anyway.
so i guess my question is now, i was going to just get a better cpu to see if i can play BF4 for now, until i can save up for some new base parts, mobo, cpu and ram.
so not sure now, if i should just bite my lip and wait for ddr4 to come out, as im guessing ddr3 stuff will drop in price anyway and i can upgrade to a ddr3 system and oc again.
Im actually surprised how long my current system has lasted me, i did pick out some good parts for the time, and they have lasted well.
But im a gamer, and i want to be playing BF4.
So what do you guys think, im also on a really tight budget and would want to get max bang for buck as they say.
Thanks for any advice in advance :-)
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