i5 4570 or AMD FX-8350?

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Which one will be better for gaming and just normal everyday use. Also which one will last longer as I don't plan to upgrade a whole lot. If you need any more information then I will provide some. Thanks.
 
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This is so far incorrect that i don't even know where to start.....i5 will out perform an FX-8350 blow for blow, time after time, unless under these following conditions:

1. You have programs that run on 5+ cores (I do have 2, which is why I chose this processor)
2. You are editing video/music, and need the extra cores as a buffer.
3. You are on a budget.

Intel i5 will blow the FX-8350 out of the water 0 to 100 every time when it comes to gaming, the reason why this is true, is because the i5 is a quad core and usually (not always) has a higher base rate of GHz then the FX-8350. Also this is true because most games and 95% of applications have trouble utilizing all 4 cores much less 8. That being said the i5 is a quad core, and does not have to push around 4 extra cores. Yes it is true that the new argiculture in AMD technology processors (FX-8xxx series+) have the ability to use there extra cores to smooth out the performance of the other cores being used, however the i5 is standard for gaming and will be for a long time to come. Intel will always blow AMD in performance and gaming, AMD will only be better then Intel for applications (5+ cores) and video/music editing/rendering. Intel i7's while they may only have 4 real cores they are 4 (split) hyper-threaded cores, which means for every core it has 2 threads, thus giving the impression it is an 8-core but it really isn't. Same thing here i7's will dominate the FX series 10 to 1 on performance and gaming, but not multi-threaded (5+ core) programs. On any multi-threaded programs that utilize 1-4 cores the Intels will always have the upper hand. I really hope you learn from what I am saying. I hope this helps at least a little bit. Please feel free to contact me about any other questions/concerns you may have in the future. Also please remember to pick your best solution so other people may learn from your thread. Thank you for your time, and have a good day.
 
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I agree. Intel is always best. (most of the time)

The 4570 is good. But i would say pay the extra 40$ and get the 4670k which is great in gaming. And also maybe a CM 212 Evo.
 
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Get the 6350 and invest in a GPU, which will almost completely decide your frame rate. You can even go lower with the 4350, no games use 6 or 8 cores. But hey, if you have one, or have a massively large budget, intel is always nice. Just remember that intel chipsets and CPUs are so much more expensive. So calculate your price and leave 150-250$ for a GPU.
 
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I have the 4570 and will continue to advocate for it. I can't speak for the 8350 as I've never had experience with it, supposedly it performs similar to the i5's in most games.

The 4570 is nearly as fast as the 4670k at stock and because I have no intentions of OCing, I saved about $50 between the CPU and mobo combo on my build. Money I spent more wisely on a stronger GPU.

If you're not planning to OC, stock for stock, go with the 4570 as it will out perform the 8350 in most applications and games. Not by a landslide, but it will.

If you're planning to OC, go with the 8350 as the 4570 cannot be OC'd, or go with the 4670K.

Don't let the 4-cores of the i5 worry you for future relevancy. They will still be plenty fast for many years to come.

Comparing number of cores and clock speeds is not the end of the story. What's more important is the architecture and efficiency of core performance. You must also take into account the specific application as it may be processed faster by one CPU type over another.

The truth is not always black and white. ;)
 
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Of the two, and for gaming in particular, here I'd go with the 8350 for longevity, it will OC and if so inclined to do so will prob keep you happier longer, though I would go along with others and suggest a few more dollars towards a 4670K or possibly even better (and costs less a 3570K which will outrun the 8350 clock for clock in everything but rendering, also with it, can pick up an outstanding mobo the Z77 Rock Extreme 4 for about $115 and spend the savings towards a better GPU or other components
 
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When I mention longevity, I am trying to look forward to more CPU intensive games, more utilization of cores, the 4570 is a speed demon compared to the 8350 in single core apps, but the move in games is to utilize more cores, the 8350 (somewhat surprisingly) is also a little better when running memory intensive games, which I also expect to see more of....now if talking the 4670K, it would be no contest, the 4670K would be best hands down
 
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Just a minor correction, the 4570 turbo clock is 3.6. ;) (base clock is 3.2)



It's not as simple as "this app uses more cores and therefore an 8-core cpu will be faster and a 4 core will be slower and become obsolete."

You have to consider per-core performance. A CPU that has twice the per-core performance will not need as many cores to chew through the same amount of work in the same amount of time. So Intel's 4-core parts are VERY FAR from going extinct.

There are some exceptions where AMD's 8 core CPU's excel, however the performance gap between them and the i5's is marginal at best.
 
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BF4 Beta benchmarks confirm, AMD performs well in next gen games, even better than Intel i5s in many circumstances. Though, in all fairness, BF4 multiplayer is confirmed to run 7 threads.
 
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FX 6300 would be a better option. FX 6350 is just a factory overclocked FX 6300. For i5 class performance though, FX 8320 is the way to go. FX 63xx, heavily overclocked, still is under a 3570k @ stock speed.
 
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Also please do not correct me without fully reading what I said, if you understand and fully read what i said then you may correct me, your statement however reflects that you did not fully read what i said. Multithreaded programs that utilize (5+ cores only) will beat the i5. This is proven since the i5 has to double load every core to run a program that can only use 5+ cores. Please do your homework before you correct someone that has been running both an i5, an i7, an FX-8350, and a AM A6 for a long time now. Thank you and have a nice day.
 
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Multi-threaded yes, multi-cored no. There is a difference between thread and core, you know. The main difference is a thread is a fake core, and a core is a real core. Please pm me if you want to continue this discussion as I will not allow it to happen on someone else's thread due to respect issues, you should really think before you open an argument on someone else's thread, especially since he just wants a simple question answered. @Trademan I do agree with your statement however Intel would be the FX-8350 hands down, however both are great processor's in their own unique way.
 
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True, but if hes on a strict budget, please don't waste all your money on a intel. Yes, I'm an AMD fanboy, and I will admit Intel is 20 times better, but a GPU is of much more concern than the CPU. By all means if you can buy 500 dollars in CPUs and GPUs go for it, but put a bit more money in a GPU. Sure, you don't want to bottleneck it, but a 100$ processor and a 250$ GPU beat out a 400$ CPU and integrated graphics. No need to argue, but you don't REALLY need intel for gaming, nor do you need AMD's overclocking/core abilities.
 
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+1 Very well said. :)
 
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hey mec, Quick question. Would an i5 4670k Bottleneck a gigabyte 7950 or Vise Versa?
 
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I would wait for AMD's next gen cards that are supposed to be out in like 2 weeks.
 
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Nope. 6 days :) I am waiting but i hope they arent pricey...http://www.techpowerup.com/191839/radeon-r9-280x-r9-270x-and-r7-260x-available-from-october-8th.html

will ALL 3 of them be 300$ or is that the high end one?
 
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There are some 7970's out there in the $270 range which would be WELL worth it. Otherwise, go for a 7950 or GTX 760.

I have the Gigabyte windforce 7950 you have selected. Awesome card I must say. ;)

I'm not sure which of the new AMD GPU's is the equivalent (rebranded) version of the 7950, but it will probably be more expensive and most likely not a whole lot faster. But that's just me speculating...
 
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So you say its better to get the 7950 and not the 7970? Well, In 6 days we will see, lets hope your speculations are wrong and they will be fast and cheap xD when they release ill talk to you about it.
 
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Whats your PSU?
 
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