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October 2, 2013 9:21:46 AM

Strictly for gaming. 4570+atx Asus/Asrock mobo. 4670k+Asrock Extreme4. Price difference is about $80. I planned on getting a 7950 or 760 gpu depending on price.

Does the 4670k increase performance significantly enough to warrant the extra money or would I receive better results from saving on the cpu purchasing the 4570 and putting more money into the gpu?

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October 2, 2013 9:24:39 AM

Hi,

Get the 4670k if you plan on overclocking, if not get the 4570.
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October 2, 2013 9:25:53 AM

The 4670K OCs well and will keep you happier much longer
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October 2, 2013 9:30:08 AM

So overclocking the cpu will result that much better results in gaming versus putting the money into the gpu?

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October 2, 2013 9:37:39 AM
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The GPU is still the biggest thing for gaming, the ability to OC the CPU will keep you happier longer as newer games come out thet may or may not be more CPU centric (i.e. using multiple cores) and using the computer for other thing in addition to gaming
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October 2, 2013 9:42:12 AM

You wouldn't be able to get a better gpu with the twenty dollars anyways so in this case yes.
October 2, 2013 9:52:38 AM

bigcyco1 said:
You wouldn't be able to get a better gpu with the twenty dollars anyways so in this case yes.
The price difference is $80 between cpu+mobo. Sounds like 4670k it is then.

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October 2, 2013 9:55:03 AM

Kalmado said:
bigcyco1 said:
You wouldn't be able to get a better gpu with the twenty dollars anyways so in this case yes.
The price difference is $80 between cpu+mobo. Sounds like 4670k it is then.

Oh really?Yikes that's a bit different then.

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October 2, 2013 9:55:55 AM

Let us know how it goes
October 2, 2013 10:10:05 AM

The cpu+mobo are the last items to purchase for my 1st time build which I'll get on Sunday. Graphics card will come when the sales start. My only concern is I wish I didn't cheap out on the OCZ 600w Plus psu. But for $30...eh. I'll post pics/results probably Monday after I finish everything. Very excited!
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October 2, 2013 10:12:51 AM

Will be looking for it ;) 
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October 2, 2013 12:54:15 PM

Kalmado said:
So overclocking the cpu will result that much better results in gaming versus putting the money into the gpu?


NO. You will get MUCH better performance with a better GPU vs OCing the CPU. OCing makes very little difference in gaming, and as far as my research has shown me, it's very over-hyped considering the marginal benefits you receive as well as the possible draw-backs. Depending on how much you OC and depending on the game, you'll only be increasing maybe 2-10fps+/-. If your games are all running well over 50-60fps to begin with, it's wasted money IMO. Spend that same amount of money on a beefier GPU and you'll be getting a lot more than a 2-10fps boost.

This was the reason I went with a 4570 and 7950 for my build. I knew it would game much better than a OC'd 4670k with a 7850 (sticking within my budget). As it stands, the 7950 is still the bottleneck, but it's a MUCH wider bottleneck than a 7850 which would have been all I could afford. ;) 

The performance difference, stock for stock between the 4570 and 4670K isn't much either. Maybe 4-7% as it's essentially the same part, less 200mhz. These i5's eat games for breakfast. I really see no need for OCing them, but some people just want that extra edge. If it fits your budget and you want to do it, by all means. But if you want the best performance for your dollar and you're on a tighter budget, honestly, don't waste your money with OCing the CPU. The 7950, on the other hand, can be OC'd to close to 7970 performance. That is much more worth it, IMO.

So in terms of "keeping you happy" for longer, OCing won't get you far. It makes a lot more sense (IMO) to buy a CPU that's nearly as good and spend that extra $80 on a much stronger GPU. THAT will actually keep you happy longer as you won't have to upgrade anything for quite some time.

The stock Intel cooler is also more than adequate for the 4570 which saves you another $20-$30 towards a GPU. ;) 
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October 2, 2013 1:20:11 PM

MEC-777 said:
Kalmado said:
So overclocking the cpu will result that much better results in gaming versus putting the money into the gpu?


NO. You will get MUCH better performance with a better GPU vs OCing the CPU. OCing makes very little difference in gaming, and as far as my research has shown me, it's very over-hyped considering the marginal benefits you receive as well as the possible draw-backs. Depending on how much you OC and depending on the game, you'll only be increasing maybe 2-10fps+/-. If your games are all running well over 50-60fps to begin with, it's wasted money IMO. Spend that same amount of money on a beefier GPU and you'll be getting a lot more than a 2-10fps boost.

This was the reason I went with a 4570 and 7950 for my build. I knew it would game much better than a OC'd 4670k with a 7850 (sticking within my budget). As it stands, the 7950 is still the bottleneck, but it's a MUCH wider bottleneck than a 7850 which would have been all I could afford. ;) 

The performance difference, stock for stock between the 4570 and 4670K isn't much either. Maybe 4-7% as it's essentially the same part, less 200mhz. These i5's eat games for breakfast. I really see no need for OCing them, but some people just want that extra edge. If it fits your budget and you want to do it, by all means. But if you want the best performance for your dollar and you're on a tighter budget, honestly, don't waste your money with OCing the CPU. The 7950, on the other hand, can be OC'd to close to 7970 performance. That is much more worth it, IMO.

So in terms of "keeping you happy" for longer, OCing won't get you far. It makes a lot more sense (IMO) to buy a CPU that's nearly as good and spend that extra $80 on a much stronger GPU. THAT will actually keep you happy longer as you won't have to upgrade anything for quite some time.

The stock Intel cooler is also more than adequate for the 4570 which saves you another $20-$30 towards a GPU. ;) 

I agree with you to a certain extent.
October 2, 2013 3:19:41 PM

I forgot to mention I already purchased a Cooler Master 212 Plus for a cooler. I'm sure I could sell it for $20 if I needed to. Everything I've read about OC'ing leads me to think it's more for tuners who want to sport high benchmarks. I'm just a gamer who's trying to put together his first build and get away from console gaming.

I bought my current pc (hp pavilion a6700f Q4 1.8ghz 4gb ram upgraded to HD 4830 512mb) not knowing anything really and I used it for 4 years to play ffxi and was decently happy with it. When I started buying pc games I tried to play Dead Space which wasn't bad, but it definitely stutters. Deus Ex isn't playable really. I put gaming on hold and started concentrating on building a gaming pc.

My goal is to play anything current at ultra/high graphics. I also need to stay very budget oriented(happy wife happy life). I've considered even getting a bundled AMF FX-6300+Asrock Extreme 4 970 because it's $180 therefor saving me $150 vs. 4670k build. But, I'd rather spend the money instead of going low budget and being extremely disappointed with the AMD cpu.
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October 2, 2013 9:27:56 PM

Kalmado said:
I forgot to mention I already purchased a Cooler Master 212 Plus for a cooler. I'm sure I could sell it for $20 if I needed to. Everything I've read about OC'ing leads me to think it's more for tuners who want to sport high benchmarks. I'm just a gamer who's trying to put together his first build and get away from console gaming.

I bought my current pc (hp pavilion a6700f Q4 1.8ghz 4gb ram upgraded to HD 4830 512mb) not knowing anything really and I used it for 4 years to play ffxi and was decently happy with it. When I started buying pc games I tried to play Dead Space which wasn't bad, but it definitely stutters. Deus Ex isn't playable really. I put gaming on hold and started concentrating on building a gaming pc.

My goal is to play anything current at ultra/high graphics. I also need to stay very budget oriented(happy wife happy life). I've considered even getting a bundled AMF FX-6300+Asrock Extreme 4 970 because it's $180 therefor saving me $150 vs. 4670k build. But, I'd rather spend the money instead of going low budget and being extremely disappointed with the AMD cpu.


You're pretty much dead-on with the overclocking. And yes I realize Tom's Forum is full of those types of people (hence why most people talk about it as if it's common practice), but it's really not necessary from a practical stand point, IMO.

I agree with your reasoning that it's wise to spend more now rather than be constantly needing to upgrade various components in the future.

What's your total budget and what (if any) components do you already have? Do you also need an OS or any peripherals (monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc...)? If you can give us that, we can slap some virtual builds together with PC Part Picker and help you decide. :) 
October 3, 2013 3:48:25 AM

This is what I have so far while including the I5. I was trying to keep it at $700 or below. I've used every promo code, gift card, credit card points, etc to get lower prices. The gpu isn't final as that will be purchased when the sales start. I can't think of anything else I need other than the cpu+mobo right this minute. If I went 6300 I would get below $600 which is why it's so tempting. If anyone knows where to find coupons for Microcenter please share!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Purchased For $19.99)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste (Purchased For $1.70)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($133.88)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (Purchased For $49.99)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $54.98)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT M59 - 001BK ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $15.40)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan (Purchased For $2.99)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan (Purchased For $2.99)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan (Purchased For $2.99)
Power Supply: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (Purchased For $29.99)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $16.98)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (Purchased For $0.00)
Monitor: Dell IN2030M 60Hz 20.0" Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard (Purchased For $0.00)
Mouse: Cobra 9897005984104 Wired Optical Mouse (Purchased For $0.00)
Other: Kingwin Performance LCD Fan Controller (Purchased For $2.64)
Total: $734.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-03 06:38 EDT-0400)
October 3, 2013 4:49:31 AM

Also, just looked at the I5-3570k bundles and I could go with that plus the Asus P8z77-V LK for $280 before tax. It appears the difference between 3570k and 4670k is negligible. For me, it doesn't matter if the Z77 is a "dead socket" as I have zero intentions of upgrading a cpu after this purchase.
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October 3, 2013 6:07:36 AM

Yeah the FX-6300 is pretty much king of the budget gaming CPU's. There's isn't much else out there that competes at that price point.

If you can get that 3570k and P8Z77 mobo combo, that's a very good deal. Personally I would go with the latest technology on a new system build, but that's just me. Performance will not be much different. The choice is yours.

The rest of your build looks good. :) 

Do some research on that PSU and make sure it's of decent quality.
October 3, 2013 6:32:16 AM

The PSU has good reviews and at $30 it was a great price. If I do need to upgrade anything, I imagine it will be that. If I see a better one go on sale I'll snag it as I plan in the future to build a streaming machine for tv and dump directv.

I have this gut feeling if I go with the 6300 I will be disappointed and wish I would've ponied up the extra money for an I5. It seems the 3570k is the middle of the 6300 and 4670k. I concur the 4670k is great new technology and it's not overpriced for it's performance levels. I'm imagining for myself I won't truly "see" the difference between the 3570k and 4670k, but my wallet will!
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October 3, 2013 6:47:37 AM

Kalmado said:
The PSU has good reviews and at $30 it was a great price. If I do need to upgrade anything, I imagine it will be that. If I see a better one go on sale I'll snag it as I plan in the future to build a streaming machine for tv and dump directv.

I have this gut feeling if I go with the 6300 I will be disappointed and wish I would've ponied up the extra money for an I5. It seems the 3570k is the middle of the 6300 and 4670k. I concur the 4670k is great new technology and it's not overpriced for it's performance levels. I'm imagining for myself I won't truly "see" the difference between the 3570k and 4670k, but my wallet will!


The 6300 is outclassed by the i5's. So in that regard, if you can go with an i5 for about the same price, it's a no-brainer. ;) 

Here's a comparison between the 3570k and 4670k. Not much difference really...

3570k vs 4670k
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October 3, 2013 11:47:29 AM

the 4670K is up to about 9-10% more powerful, clock for clock...but also runs much hotter and thus doesn't OC as well, so taking the 3570K to a higher OC about levels them out - but then too, it depends on the CPU YOU get in your hands, many OC above the 'norm' and many can't OC to the 'norm'
October 3, 2013 1:00:45 PM

I feel a lot better getting the 3570k while still saving some money. It also just so happens the Asus board in the bundle is blue and black and so is my rig so it's a win win!
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October 3, 2013 1:06:55 PM

Glad to hear it, let us know how it goes
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