Choosing a CPU / Motherboard to add to an older system

Ezra Litton

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I am looking at spending roughly $400-$500 on a CPU / Motherboard combo. I will be adding to a system I build 6 years ago. Keeping the Antec 900 tower, three hard drives that are all pretty average, have 4 1 GB sticks of PC 800 Ram, fans, disc drives and a Radeon 5670 graphics card that I added a year or two ago.

I would like to find a combo that will last a while and like the possibility to upgrade later either to a better motherboard or a better CPU. In essence, I don't mind having either the MB or the CPU be higher end than the other. I am currently running a core 2 duo (I think it's a 6420). I had a crappy MSI board that it came with that I ended up replacing three years ago because it died. Also replaced my GTX8800 when it died (with the Radeon). I really only play World of Warcraft when it comes to gaming. I hate getting low FPS during raids or when I'm running other applications in the back ground. I really notice a performance drop in raids, when I run medium video settings and or running stuff in background while I'm playing on lower settings. I will be using a samsung 24" monitor that is native resolution at 1920 x 1620. It's refresh rate is 60. I will also be occasionally converting video - from my old Hi-8 camera tapes (and other formats) to DVD. Currently this takes forever with the Core 2. If I get a blue ray burner, I may want to put downloaded movies or other stuff on blue ray. Other than that, my kids surf the web, watch streaming video etc.

I was thinking of going with either the 4770k or 3770k Intel processor. Have no clue on the MB. However, i was reading a recent Tom's article about the Sandy Bridge E. It intrigued me because the author mentioned that it's design would affect performance on World Of Warcraft. I thought that may be a better way to go because I could get the low end 4820k or 3820k and a decent board for similar investment as the 4770k and 3770k. From what I've seen, looks like the older 4770k and 3770k are faster...is this true? I don' t really understand why the newer processors would be slower because the specs seem similar... I don't really understand the importance of the different types of cache, memory lanes all that stuff...

Please note - I don't intend on running more than one monitor, or more than one graphics card. It's possible that would change and it would be nice to have options but I will never have more than 2 graphics cards or more than 2 monitors.... that just seems extreme to me. I'd probably just go one big screen and 2 cards if I had to. I don't know what the cut off is when I'd need a 2nd card to accomodate a larger screen.

I will be using windows 7 pro and keep all the other stuff I have. I'm open to getting new memory if people think it's going to make a difference - for example in loading web pages, game loading etc...Also, I'd consider a solid state drive if it's not too expensive. I'm thinking I could just load the OS and games on that drive and keep the videos / music / photos on the others. I feel that the graphics card is sufficient for my needs at this time, so i'm planning to spend everything on the MB/ CPU and possibly memory and or a SSD. But priority on the drive is pretty low at this point.

Also, I don't see myself as being a person that will over clock so that feature may be fun, but also may never be utilized.

Basically, I want to get something that will last a few years like this current system did and not suck. Something that will be pretty fast doing what I want to do and allow me to play my addictive game with all the settings up hi and not bog down. Who knows, my kids may find a game or two they like, but for now they are on XBOX I'm on PC.

So, help me select a CPU -- prefer intel (no offense to AMD users). From what I"ve seen Intel will not get as hot, use less power and be faster ( I don't mind spending an extra few bucks for these features). I don't know if it's better that the CPU is higher quality than the MB or vice versa. Like I said, if there's a combo deal for example that the CPU is really nice and I'm getting an entry level MB that's ok. Ideal situation is I spend $400. But, I have the money for more and would step up if I think I'm getting a good deal and or better performance / lasting power. I thought about a refurbed CPU from Tiger direct, but honestly I would like to be able to walk in to a store (such as Fry's) and walk out same day with my toys in hand and go put them together.
 

ryan27968

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quite simply the best cpu for gaming at the moment is the i5-4670k. as for mobo, this is largely personal, but i would say anything in the gigabyte g1 sniper series or in the asus rog series(i would personally go for the asus rog maximus VI Hero board.) could you list your current full specs
 

logainofhades

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You will also need new ram for this upgrade. To be honest, even your GPU could use an upgrade. Even my system has issues in raids at times when things get hot and heavy. I think this will give you the most balanced approach and leave you open for future upgrades. The new AMD GPU's are going to be out soon, so you could hold off on that.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.29 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87X 3D ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($118.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $498.25
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-03 11:44 EDT-0400)
 

Jaxem

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Yep, when you go to upgrade and you're a generation behind, it's a bit expensive, but you will need new ram at the very least to upgrade to something modern...on the upside, your ddr2 is worth 30 or 40 bucks, which gets you a 4GB ddr3 kit...though i'd put it towards an 8GB kit personally.

If you're starting anew, intel is probably the way to go and fits into your budget nicely. I'd go with logainofhades recommendation.
 
If you are not going to overclock then you could save some money by purchasing a "lower end" Haswell Core i5 CPU like the i5-4570 (3.6GHz), or the i5-4440 (3.3GHz). That means you will not have to buy a Z87 chipset mobo which can shave off around $25 for a budget version to over $100 for a premium version and instead by a B75/B85 chipset motherboard.

Modern CPUs and motherboards no longer support DDR2 RAM anymore. You will need to purchase DDR3-1600 RAM for Intel CPUs.


If you live near a Microcenter then it might be worth your time to buy from there since they sell Intel CPU & motherboard combos for a really, really good price. But you must go to the store to pick it up; no delivery on special promotions.

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

I was originally considering buying something like an i5-4440s or i5-4570s which consumes less power than "non S" models. But with the prices at Microcenter, I might as well buy the i5-4670k + MSI mobo for about $265 + tax since it is much cheaper than my original plan. This is just a stop gap measure for now. I plan on upgrading again in 2015 when Intel releases Skylake. The Haswell combo would then go into my HTPC case.
 

Ezra Litton

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Thanks for the replies! I was considering LGA 2011 and the Sandy Bridge E or Ivy Bridge E CPU options, just because I thought it'd be nice to at least get on the newer platform. Toms had an article describing the Sandy Bridge E that was related to World of Warcaft I thought I'd get a somewhat entry level i7 of one of those two. I also looked at the 4770k because it had good reviews. I want to be able to do video conversions .... not sure if hyperthread is important for this.

I didn't realize i'd have to get RAM, thanks for informing me. There is a Fry's very close to me, but I've never shopped at Micro Center. I think there's one of those close by as well so i'll check it out.

If I understand correctly, i7 4820 is the newer, Ivy bridge E and i7 3820 is the Sandy Bridge E... i7 4770 is the Haswell.... if choosing between these three which one would be best? It seems to me they are roughly all the same cost - at least for the CPU.

I guess the real question is... will this new architecture / memory lanes etc. really matter if I'm only going to run one graphics card? If i'm running WOW and other applications in the background does that make a difference?

Fry's has a sale on a 4770k with an MSI z87 G45 board. It's 449 after rebate. No need to post online offers, I'm either going to Fry's or Micro Center. http://www.frys.com/product/7872659?site=sa:adpages%20page:p1_FRI%20date:100413

Thanks again!
 

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If you're willing to go slightly over budget, the 4770k would likely have a bundle at MC for less than the one you found at Fry's. I wouldn't go with less than 8 GB DDR3-1600 RAM though, as you'll want it when you're encoding video, etc.
 

Ezra Litton

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If I'm just going to be running one graphics card, what should I get? For example at MC:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/414759/Z87_Pro_Socket_LGA_1150_ATX_Intel_Motherboard $139 - Open Box
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.aspx?sku=614982 for $70 when purchased as a combo

I don't see myself doing ANY manual overclocking, but if there's one that would be an easy 1 or 2 click kinda auto OC feature then I'd use that.

I'm leaning toward the 4670 because it's $80 less than the 4770k at Micro Center. I am not understanding when the Hyper Threading is going to be valuable to me. Keep in mind I'll be playing a game (WOW) and also running other apps in the back ground. should I just save the $80 and use on a SSD? MC has very good prices right now, is there anything in the next few weeks that I should wait for to get a better price? I.E. release of other CPU's or do they have big holiday sales... etc. Never purchased from MC

I am going to pick up 8GB of Ram and was looking at:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/382101/Ballistix_Sport_8GB_DDR3-1600_%28PC3-12800%29_CL9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_%28Two_4GB_Memory_Modules%29 for $75.

I know there's something about the timings on memory, but don't know what to look for. If there's a better one that isn't too much more lemme know.
 

8350rocks

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Asus typically has a program called "AutoTuner" on their AMD boards, not sure that it would be included with Intel boards. However, I expect something similar would be there. It's not going to get the same results manually doing it would, however, it will typically bump your clockspeed in the neighborhood of 200-300 MHz on AMDs...perhaps more or less with Intel.