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October 9, 2013 2:13:11 PM

Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply

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October 9, 2013 2:20:29 PM

You should be fine with those specs, but I would think about a more powerful power supply and if you can get 16 gigs of ram to make it a bit more future proof.
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October 9, 2013 2:20:30 PM

That will do for high settings just fine. If you plan on gaming at 1080p (high-ultra settings) I would suggest getting a 2gb card.

Btw, how much are you planning on buying it for?
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October 9, 2013 2:26:25 PM

TBC1 said:
That will do for high settings just fine. If you plan on gaming at 1080p (high-ultra settings) I would suggest getting a 2gb card.

Btw, how much are you planning on buying it for?


They're selling it for $600. It also says that it doesn't include a hard drive or dvd drive.. Which are both things that I would need? Is this a good deal or should I look elsewhere? Looking to by my first PC and it's all so confusing!

Also, what do you think about this PC? would this work? http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/4115775135.html
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October 9, 2013 2:44:23 PM

innef said:
TBC1 said:
That will do for high settings just fine. If you plan on gaming at 1080p (high-ultra settings) I would suggest getting a 2gb card.

Btw, how much are you planning on buying it for?


They're selling it for $600. It also says that it doesn't include a hard drive or dvd drive.. Which are both things that I would need? Is this a good deal or should I look elsewhere? Looking to by my first PC and it's all so confusing!

Also, what do you think about this PC? would this work? http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/4115775135.html


Horrible deal if there is no hdd or disk drive, do not purchase! Plus, never buy someone's used pc (there's no warranty if something breaks).
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October 9, 2013 3:34:09 PM

TBC1 said:
innef said:
TBC1 said:
That will do for high settings just fine. If you plan on gaming at 1080p (high-ultra settings) I would suggest getting a 2gb card.

Btw, how much are you planning on buying it for?


They're selling it for $600. It also says that it doesn't include a hard drive or dvd drive.. Which are both things that I would need? Is this a good deal or should I look elsewhere? Looking to by my first PC and it's all so confusing!

Also, what do you think about this PC? would this work? http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/4115775135.html


Horrible deal if there is no hdd or disk drive, do not purchase! Plus, never buy someone's used pc (there's no warranty if something breaks).



Yeah I didn't realize that until after I posted this. Is there any PC's you would recommend? I know that a lot of people say you should build your own, but I have no experience whatsoever.
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October 9, 2013 3:55:35 PM

innef said:
TBC1 said:
innef said:
TBC1 said:
That will do for high settings just fine. If you plan on gaming at 1080p (high-ultra settings) I would suggest getting a 2gb card.

Btw, how much are you planning on buying it for?


They're selling it for $600. It also says that it doesn't include a hard drive or dvd drive.. Which are both things that I would need? Is this a good deal or should I look elsewhere? Looking to by my first PC and it's all so confusing!

Also, what do you think about this PC? would this work? http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/4115775135.html


Horrible deal if there is no hdd or disk drive, do not purchase! Plus, never buy someone's used pc (there's no warranty if something breaks).



Yeah I didn't realize that until after I posted this. Is there any PC's you would recommend? I know that a lot of people say you should build your own, but I have no experience whatsoever.


Build it yourself. It's actually quite easy. I just built my first desktop around 3 weeks ago and it only took around 3 hours (being that it was my first time). Just follow the instructions and you will be absolutely fine (you can always hit up tom's if you need the extra help).
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October 9, 2013 3:58:57 PM

TBC1 said:
innef said:
TBC1 said:
innef said:
TBC1 said:
That will do for high settings just fine. If you plan on gaming at 1080p (high-ultra settings) I would suggest getting a 2gb card.

Btw, how much are you planning on buying it for?


They're selling it for $600. It also says that it doesn't include a hard drive or dvd drive.. Which are both things that I would need? Is this a good deal or should I look elsewhere? Looking to by my first PC and it's all so confusing!

Also, what do you think about this PC? would this work? http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/4115775135.html


Horrible deal if there is no hdd or disk drive, do not purchase! Plus, never buy someone's used pc (there's no warranty if something breaks).



Yeah I didn't realize that until after I posted this. Is there any PC's you would recommend? I know that a lot of people say you should build your own, but I have no experience whatsoever.


Build it yourself. It's actually quite easy. I just made built my first desktop around 3 weeks ago and it only took around 3 hours (being that it was my first time). Just follow the instructions and you will be absolutely fine (you can always hit up tom's if you need the extra help).


I second this, and you will also have a better understanding of how your system works and possibly be able to troubleshoot it if anything goes wrong, hopefully it won't. But you will know more about what can go wrong if you do it yourself.

I learned how to do it because I was tired of getting gouged by repair shops and paying top dollar for prebuilt systems with inferior components.

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October 9, 2013 4:00:41 PM

Here this settup will max all the games you want to play 1080p for $700 -

You will need to buy a monitor, keyboard, mouse.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($77.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($224.99 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN3800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($32.89 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.94 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($36.24 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $699.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-09 18:57 EDT-0400)
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October 9, 2013 4:11:03 PM

boogalooelectric said:
TBC1 said:
innef said:
TBC1 said:
innef said:
TBC1 said:
That will do for high settings just fine. If you plan on gaming at 1080p (high-ultra settings) I would suggest getting a 2gb card.

Btw, how much are you planning on buying it for?


They're selling it for $600. It also says that it doesn't include a hard drive or dvd drive.. Which are both things that I would need? Is this a good deal or should I look elsewhere? Looking to by my first PC and it's all so confusing!

Also, what do you think about this PC? would this work? http://orlando.craigslist.org/sys/4115775135.html


Horrible deal if there is no hdd or disk drive, do not purchase! Plus, never buy someone's used pc (there's no warranty if something breaks).



Yeah I didn't realize that until after I posted this. Is there any PC's you would recommend? I know that a lot of people say you should build your own, but I have no experience whatsoever.


Build it yourself. It's actually quite easy. I just made built my first desktop around 3 weeks ago and it only took around 3 hours (being that it was my first time). Just follow the instructions and you will be absolutely fine (you can always hit up tom's if you need the extra help).


I second this, and you will also have a better understanding of how your system works and possibly be able to troubleshoot it if anything goes wrong, hopefully it won't. But you will know more about what can go wrong if you do it yourself.

I learned how to do it because I was tired of getting gouged by repair shops and paying top dollar for prebuilt systems with inferior components.



That all makes sense. I was originally going to build one but then I started doubting myself. I will probably just go with building one with the help of a friend. Thanks for the help guys!
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October 9, 2013 4:17:43 PM

No problemo! (remember you can always select a best answer or solution so the thread is finished).
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October 9, 2013 4:37:21 PM

innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R

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October 9, 2013 4:54:32 PM

Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.
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October 9, 2013 5:33:34 PM

TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???


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October 9, 2013 7:00:39 PM

Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.
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October 9, 2013 7:29:21 PM

TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


I mean't to mark this as the solution but oh well. The arguing had me a little confused! But you (TBC1) definitely sound like you know what you're talking about vs. what he is saying.
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October 9, 2013 7:45:50 PM

innef said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


I mean't to mark this as the solution but oh well. The arguing had me a little confused! But you (TBC1) definitely sound like you know what you're talking about vs. what he is saying.


Agreed. Also, i'm pretty sure you can un-slelect and re-select best solutions or answers if you want to change it to another comment.
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October 10, 2013 3:41:47 AM

TBC1 said:
innef said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


I mean't to mark this as the solution but oh well. The arguing had me a little confused! But you (TBC1) definitely sound like you know what you're talking about vs. what he is saying.


Agreed. Also, i'm pretty sure you can un-slelect and re-select best solutions or answers if you want to change it to another comment.


about GPU i said it before yes it more powerful.
i'm giving him future in 50 more and your pulling him back 3 year and just giving 50 less.
he is a new bee i understand and he have no idea what he is going to do anyways you win i lose.
don't use this WTF word on forum
some say ! narrow minded leader always lead you to a rat hole........no offense
Remember my friend Gaming rigs are not built for weeks or months people build these for next few years.
only little more powerful GPU is not the thin to play on ultra setting. when your cpu is not calculating threads fast your ram is not rendering data fast then what will only mid rang gpu will do ? looking for data and relaxing !!!! these are technical things you don't understand so leave it .bro if he is going to spend then give him best for now and better for near future...enough for now is not helpful in near future.what do you think after a year your rig can handle new games even on a normal setting ? if you think yes then i'm wasting my time here.GPU is one part you can change it in future but upgrading a whole rig to play new games is it a wise thing.think out side the box.

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October 10, 2013 4:51:39 AM

TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


Before you guys end up fighing over whos right and wrong....the answer is both of you are wrong...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($129.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($87.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $640.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-10 07:53 EDT-0400)

This would be your best build for around the 600 dollar mark. Every part in this system is rock solid. Sounds like both of you should do some reading in the tutorial I wrote in my sig, before you try to help other people with incorrect answers.
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October 10, 2013 7:07:42 AM

ddbtkd456 said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


Before you guys end up fighing over whos right and wrong....the answer is both of you are wrong...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($129.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($87.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $640.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-10 07:53 EDT-0400)

This would be your best build for around the 600 dollar mark. Every part in this system is rock solid. Sounds like both of you should do some reading in the tutorial I wrote in my sig, before you try to help other people with incorrect answers.

:D  now we are talking .....agreed on this for 600 doller righ .the best and then thing i was thinking i'm wrong in 700 $ rig was GPU but you also suggested that too Thanks mate.:D 
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October 10, 2013 8:19:04 AM

I agree with ddbtkd456 suggestion of a build, but it would probably be better to explain why you did pick those parts instead of those other suggestion?

Innef, if you look for benchmarks here on TomsHardware you will see that what will gain most speed (bandwith) is a RAM running at 1866 Mhz. After that it will not be that much worth to put extra money into higher rated speed on RAM.

For CPU and socket (FM2 vs AM3 or AM3+) you need to also look into what chipset there is onboard a motherboard as some chipset do support higher rated RAM (memory controller integrated onto CPU die for AMD CPU) and other don't.

The main field of GPU from AMD is HD 7750 up to HD7850 as single GPU based solution. They will be replaced with R7 260 and R9 2xx series card which use the same GPU core, but clocked higher and with more memory running on a higher bandwidth. If I would be building a system today, I would go with HD 7850 before it will be replaced with those "new" card within R7 and R9 series as it seem to be working slightly faster then 7750 and 7790 and still not need too much power from a PSU (which will add cost). A PSU within the range of 400 W up 600 W (depending the quality it can deliver on each rail for CPU and GPU).

If this is your first time building a computer, then it is also wise to watch out for what option there to reduce noise from fans, PSU fans and which cases that do not give enough space to have a god air flow. I suggest that you use http://www.silentpcreview.com/ to learn more about this.

For the argument of "building for the future" or make it possible to upgrade there is always a premium to be paid. To buy a too large PSU in Watt means that you will waste energy (pay more for when your computer is in idle or light work), have more heat to get rid off (=need to have PSU fan to work harder which also add to noise) and its efficiency might be better when it is working hard during load compared to idle/light work (as surfing, watching movie etc).

In the end you will get better answer, if you do some research first here on THG by reading on different benchmarks, both those that focus on CPU and those on GPU. Go for those games that have been benchmarked here in THG and compare what hardware that have been used on each test rigs so you get any idea of how those might work with those games and setting you want to play. It will take some time to understand benchmarks, but those a better tool to judge what is worth to spending your money on then asking for a ready build.
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October 10, 2013 8:43:10 AM

ddbtkd456 said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


Before you guys end up fighing over whos right and wrong....the answer is both of you are wrong...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($129.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($87.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $640.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-10 07:53 EDT-0400)

This would be your best build for around the 600 dollar mark. Every part in this system is rock solid. Sounds like both of you should do some reading in the tutorial I wrote in my sig, before you try to help other people with incorrect answers.


......Ahh. Ok first of all "Alpha-Black", I wasn't really taking anyone's side. I was just saying that he sounded like he knew what he was talking about vs. what you were saying and your reasoning. Second, I'm not making any final decisions until I've done some more research, and I've realized that asking people isn't the best idea... haha. But If I were to be able to spend $800 what would you change about these specs and would it make much of a difference?
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October 10, 2013 8:54:01 AM

innef said:
ddbtkd456 said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


Before you guys end up fighing over whos right and wrong....the answer is both of you are wrong...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($129.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($87.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $640.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-10 07:53 EDT-0400)

This would be your best build for around the 600 dollar mark. Every part in this system is rock solid. Sounds like both of you should do some reading in the tutorial I wrote in my sig, before you try to help other people with incorrect answers.


......Ahh. Ok first of all "Alpha-Black", I wasn't really taking anyone's side. I was just saying that he sounded like he knew what he was talking about vs. what you were saying and your reasoning. Second, I'm not making any final decisions until I've done some more research, and I've realized that asking people isn't the best idea... haha. But If I were to be able to spend $800 what would you change about these specs and would it make much of a difference?


What do you have from before that you will be able to use? Do you have keyboard, monitor etc?

If you have a monitor, what kind of resolution and screen size is it?
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October 10, 2013 9:02:06 AM

Quest_Skyrim said:
innef said:
ddbtkd456 said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


Before you guys end up fighing over whos right and wrong....the answer is both of you are wrong...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($129.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($87.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $640.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-10 07:53 EDT-0400)

This would be your best build for around the 600 dollar mark. Every part in this system is rock solid. Sounds like both of you should do some reading in the tutorial I wrote in my sig, before you try to help other people with incorrect answers.


......Ahh. Ok first of all "Alpha-Black", I wasn't really taking anyone's side. I was just saying that he sounded like he knew what he was talking about vs. what you were saying and your reasoning. Second, I'm not making any final decisions until I've done some more research, and I've realized that asking people isn't the best idea... haha. But If I were to be able to spend $800 what would you change about these specs and would it make much of a difference?


What do you have from before that you will be able to use? Do you have keyboard, monitor etc?

If you have a monitor, what kind of resolution and screen size is it?


I don't have anything yet. Why?
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October 10, 2013 9:02:45 AM

Quest_Skyrim said:
innef said:
ddbtkd456 said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
Alpha-Black said:
innef said:
Looking at this PC that someone is selling. If I get a better graphics card will it support games like Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls Online, Dragon Age: 3, Dark Souls 2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars, all games from The Elder Scrolls Anthology, etc. Preferably on a high setting? If not, what specs or PC's do would you recommend?

Specs:
AMD FX-6300 3.5 Ghz 6 core processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory
MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB video card
Rosewill RNX-N250PC2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi adapter
Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid tower Case
Antex 450W ATX 12V power supply


600$ for this and even without any warranty ?????? NOOOOOOOO DO ..NOT..BUY.
I don't know how much your planing to spend for you rig but i think may be this will help you check link.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1MT1R



Dude, no offense, but the build you have in that link is horrible. The build I posted above is way more powerful and has an OS for $700.

sorry mate but just 50$ less and your compromising on
FX-8xxx(8 cores) for Ath.....(4 core)
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 ATX AM3+ for ASRock FM2A55M-DGS Micro ATX ?
V6 GT Cooler master for Stock cooler
16gbs of ram for 8 gb
750 Watts 80 plus gamer one for 450 watts normal
I'm sorry but plz tell me where is the power in your rig rather then a little more in GPU?
my one 708$ .your one 653$ and difference 50$ and your considering a home edition OS as rig's power !!!!!! Plz dude???




1. stock cooler is fine if your not overclocking 2. cpu I put in is for a "budget" pc and works surprisingly well 3. the asrock is more than enough, and for $50 its a steal 4. 8gb ram is plenty (16gb is overkill unless your a hardcore graphics designer) 6. 450 watt psu is perfect for a non sli or cf system (wtf 750 watts for a 7750???) 7. win7 home premium is perfect for any budget builder (plus an OS does not determine the power of your system) 8. innef (the one looking to get a pc) wants a gaming machine that will play his games preferable on high settings so why the 7750? the 7750 will give you medium settings 1080p in gaming, anything higher and your games will start to lag. Boom, that's where the 7950 comes in. Ultra settings, 1080p, no lag, it's the perfect card for a budget $700 build. Nuff said.


Before you guys end up fighing over whos right and wrong....the answer is both of you are wrong...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($129.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 2GB Video Card ($87.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $640.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-10 07:53 EDT-0400)

This would be your best build for around the 600 dollar mark. Every part in this system is rock solid. Sounds like both of you should do some reading in the tutorial I wrote in my sig, before you try to help other people with incorrect answers.


......Ahh. Ok first of all "Alpha-Black", I wasn't really taking anyone's side. I was just saying that he sounded like he knew what he was talking about vs. what you were saying and your reasoning. Second, I'm not making any final decisions until I've done some more research, and I've realized that asking people isn't the best idea... haha. But If I were to be able to spend $800 what would you change about these specs and would it make much of a difference?


What do you have from before that you will be able to use? Do you have keyboard, monitor etc?

If you have a monitor, what kind of resolution and screen size is it?


I don't have anything yet. Why?
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October 10, 2013 9:16:59 AM

ddbtkd456 has a well rounded build. However if this machine is mostly for gaming then the pc I suggest is going to crush ddbtkd456's build out of the water.
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October 10, 2013 9:26:05 AM

@ddbtkd456 - just for the fun of it -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($72.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.94 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $642.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-10 12:24 EDT-0400)
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October 10, 2013 9:52:38 AM

innef said:

I don't have anything yet. Why?


He is asking because if you do not have anything then you need to include that into your costs. So it may be a $600 computer but you may spend $100-$200 on a decent monitor and peripherals. So do you want to spend $800 on only the tower and then have the extra cost of the extras or do you want to spend $800 total?

The problem for you with this forum is that when most people are talking about their builds they already have some of the basics such as the monitor/keyboard/etc. So they do not include that cost and the prices are somewhat deflated compared to what you would spend on the same exact build. I may build a $1500 system but that does not include the monitor because I already have one. The real cost may be around $1700 after all the extras if I had to go buy them.
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October 10, 2013 10:10:02 AM

darkguy2 said:
innef said:

I don't have anything yet. Why?


He is asking because if you do not have anything then you need to include that into your costs. So it may be a $600 computer but you may spend $100-$200 on a decent monitor and peripherals. So do you want to spend $800 on only the tower and then have the extra cost of the extras or do you want to spend $800 total?

The problem for you with this forum is that when most people are talking about their builds they already have some of the basics such as the monitor/keyboard/etc. So they do not include that cost and the prices are somewhat deflated compared to what you would spend on the same exact build. I may build a $1500 system but that does not include the monitor because I already have one. The real cost may be around $1700 after all the extras if I had to go buy them.


I see what you're saying. I'm talking about spending $800 on the tower alone.

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October 10, 2013 10:18:41 AM

innef said:
darkguy2 said:
innef said:

I don't have anything yet. Why?


He is asking because if you do not have anything then you need to include that into your costs. So it may be a $600 computer but you may spend $100-$200 on a decent monitor and peripherals. So do you want to spend $800 on only the tower and then have the extra cost of the extras or do you want to spend $800 total?

The problem for you with this forum is that when most people are talking about their builds they already have some of the basics such as the monitor/keyboard/etc. So they do not include that cost and the prices are somewhat deflated compared to what you would spend on the same exact build. I may build a $1500 system but that does not include the monitor because I already have one. The real cost may be around $1700 after all the extras if I had to go buy them.


I see what you're saying. I'm talking about spending $800 on the tower alone.



Well if you want you could add in a solid state drive that would improve you performance. Maybe not a lot in gaming but it would boot up way faster than that blue drive. That 7950 is a pretty good card. I have two of them in my build. But if you only want to get one card then maybe the GeForce 760 would work better for you. It is a little more and has better benchmarks than the 7950. Plus down the road you can always get another one when they are cheaper and you need more performance. Two of those cards is better than the Titan which is NVIDIA's current best GPU.
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October 10, 2013 10:22:39 AM

darkguy2 said:
innef said:

I don't have anything yet. Why?


He is asking because if you do not have anything then you need to include that into your costs. So it may be a $600 computer but you may spend $100-$200 on a decent monitor and peripherals. So do you want to spend $800 on only the tower and then have the extra cost of the extras or do you want to spend $800 total?

The problem for you with this forum is that when most people are talking about their builds they already have some of the basics such as the monitor/keyboard/etc. So they do not include that cost and the prices are somewhat deflated compared to what you would spend on the same exact build. I may build a $1500 system but that does not include the monitor because I already have one. The real cost may be around $1700 after all the extras if I had to go buy them.


darkguy2 said:
innef said:
darkguy2 said:
innef said:

I don't have anything yet. Why?


He is asking because if you do not have anything then you need to include that into your costs. So it may be a $600 computer but you may spend $100-$200 on a decent monitor and peripherals. So do you want to spend $800 on only the tower and then have the extra cost of the extras or do you want to spend $800 total?

The problem for you with this forum is that when most people are talking about their builds they already have some of the basics such as the monitor/keyboard/etc. So they do not include that cost and the prices are somewhat deflated compared to what you would spend on the same exact build. I may build a $1500 system but that does not include the monitor because I already have one. The real cost may be around $1700 after all the extras if I had to go buy them.


I see what you're saying. I'm talking about spending $800 on the tower alone.



Well if you want you could add in a solid state drive that would improve you performance. Maybe not a lot in gaming but it would boot up way faster than that blue drive. That 7950 is a pretty good card. I have two of them in my build. But if you only want to get one card then maybe the GeForce 760 would work better for you. It is a little more and has better benchmarks than the 7950. Plus down the road you can always get another one when they are cheaper and you need more performance. Two of those cards is better than the Titan which is NVIDIA's current best GPU.


Yeah, the 760 cards are nice. I have the 760 twin frozr oc 2gb and the thing is solid. However, the 7950 can OC past the performance of a 760 (just wanted to point that out).
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October 10, 2013 10:40:54 AM

TBC1 said:
darkguy2 said:
innef said:

I don't have anything yet. Why?


He is asking because if you do not have anything then you need to include that into your costs. So it may be a $600 computer but you may spend $100-$200 on a decent monitor and peripherals. So do you want to spend $800 on only the tower and then have the extra cost of the extras or do you want to spend $800 total?

The problem for you with this forum is that when most people are talking about their builds they already have some of the basics such as the monitor/keyboard/etc. So they do not include that cost and the prices are somewhat deflated compared to what you would spend on the same exact build. I may build a $1500 system but that does not include the monitor because I already have one. The real cost may be around $1700 after all the extras if I had to go buy them.


darkguy2 said:
innef said:
darkguy2 said:
innef said:

I don't have anything yet. Why?


He is asking because if you do not have anything then you need to include that into your costs. So it may be a $600 computer but you may spend $100-$200 on a decent monitor and peripherals. So do you want to spend $800 on only the tower and then have the extra cost of the extras or do you want to spend $800 total?

The problem for you with this forum is that when most people are talking about their builds they already have some of the basics such as the monitor/keyboard/etc. So they do not include that cost and the prices are somewhat deflated compared to what you would spend on the same exact build. I may build a $1500 system but that does not include the monitor because I already have one. The real cost may be around $1700 after all the extras if I had to go buy them.


I see what you're saying. I'm talking about spending $800 on the tower alone.



Well if you want you could add in a solid state drive that would improve you performance. Maybe not a lot in gaming but it would boot up way faster than that blue drive. That 7950 is a pretty good card. I have two of them in my build. But if you only want to get one card then maybe the GeForce 760 would work better for you. It is a little more and has better benchmarks than the 7950. Plus down the road you can always get another one when they are cheaper and you need more performance. Two of those cards is better than the Titan which is NVIDIA's current best GPU.


Yeah, the 760 cards are nice. I have the 760 twin frozr oc 2gb and the thing is solid. However, the 7950 can OC past the performance of a 760 (just wanted to point that out).


While that is true and you are correct you have to think about who it is for. OP has no experience with OC. He will need to have proper cooling to OC to a level that beats the 760 and also the extra power which will increase the costs. Also since OP has no experience he runs the risk of damaging part of his rig if he messes something up. For now I think the better option is the 760. After they get more experience with computer rigs and are more compatible then they can experiment with OCing. You do not want to start them out by throwing them into the deep end of the pool. :) 
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October 10, 2013 10:52:13 AM

Well the 7950 is still a better bang for the buck over a 760. The 760 performs around 3-5% better (not much) and is more expensive than the 7950 (that's on stock clocks). Also, You can find 7950's as low as $180 after rebates so in perspective is the $50-70 for the 3-5% increase in performance worth it?
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October 10, 2013 11:19:00 AM

TBC1 said:
Well the 7950 is still a better bang for the buck over a 760. The 760 performs around 3-5% better (not much) and is more expensive than the 7950 (that's on stock clocks). Also, You can find 7950's as low as $180 after rebates so in perspective is the $50-70 for the 3-5% increase in performance worth it?


That $180 is a little low for a 7950 Boost unless you get it on black friday. I got my two for $190 & $195 after rebates. The max that they are factory OC is 950 that I have seen which is lower than the stock 980 for the 760.

But, if OP is planing on getting any new games then they should go with the 7950 as you get three free games that you can pick from a list that updates as new games come out. That alone could be worth up to $150 depending on what games you pick. Plus you also get Crysis 3 if you order from Newegg.
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October 10, 2013 3:16:22 PM

TBC1 said:
ddbtkd456 has a well rounded build. However if this machine is mostly for gaming then the pc I suggest is going to crush ddbtkd456's build out of the water.



However it is 60 dollars more, mine is a lot more reliable then a MSI motherboard, also please do some reading in the tutorial I made as you will learn a lot from it. It may "crush" my build but in the end do you want reliability or performance? What good is a horse rider without a horse? Also it is 60 dollars more, and for 700 dollars I could "crush" your build easily. Also your Hard drive is weak, take a very close look at the difference between the one I picked out and the one you picked out...research it a bit...the Seagate's only a single step below the western digital black series, for half the price basically. It would literally "crush" the blue series in your western digital. However if you want a decent computer that will be future proof my suggestion would be to wait a while and save at least a good $1,000 dollars then come talk to me.
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October 10, 2013 3:49:04 PM


aaa ok i think i need to blow the cover now.i was just watching and watcihng how you people act when someone ask you to help.
first of all i'm "COMPUTER" hardware "consultant" in very big a 14 billion dollar Multinational company AND have an experience of 12 years of real life everyday encounter with computer hardware.everyone is geek for his/self except few of you.He need a 700$ smooth rig.SO ! give him a rig don't Crush each others rig.stop fighting! give him choice just give your idea of a good one and let him chose. TBC1 your expert and we agree !!!!!! plz
MSI is officially a failed brand just low income buyer is buying MSI and its for only home user market.no exposure at all in business outline in video rendering ,game testing , developing ,designing no not at all.only low income home user.
ASUS is officially recommended brand and after that gigabyte comes in line.
AMD gaming very cool, normal daily application just fine but high and applications ? NO
Intel Gaming,i fully agree with a guy here that i5 proved it self but but high end core hungry applications,Intel and no doubt about it.
now lets come to GTX and Radeon. i recommend you not to buy new series coming with new names "just new names" inside story is very harsh for last end 7xxx series buyer in near future when 75% of are them going to cry for warranty issues.
GTX is just fine now.
i have an info for you people PC games always tested first on AMD not Intel and when it comes to Intel i5 tops till now never tested on i7 coz developers have idea of 4 cores in mind when building a PC version of a game now a days. and High end apps specially 3D modeling apps are always tested on i5 and i7 first no one in productive sectors will recommend you an AMD one ever till now but 8 core FX series is making a place also but its a 5 to 7 years time when you will say AMD is meeting Intel in this sector.
WD and Seagate. WD black is a bit just a bit more reliable then a seagate barracuda but barracuda is way way better then a WD blue one. seagate gives you 36 hours straight 7200rpm on full load and i tested it my self. but WD Blue reduces speed after 9 hours of full load to 6950rpm and after 24 hours 5100rpm and after straight 36 hours 4900rpm its a harsh but reality thing. Seagate in this case is way way better.
if your expert don't fight and misguide people in forums go and right tutorials like few people do here to and those tutorials are very fine.
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October 10, 2013 4:06:27 PM

^^Grammar alert^^

And yeah, enough of the bickering and let him decide... Oh, and by the way, thanks for deselecting my solution ddbtkd456.
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October 10, 2013 4:21:53 PM

TBC1 said:
^^Grammar alert^^

And yeah, enough of the bickering and let him decide... Oh, and by the way, thanks for deselecting my solution ddbtkd456.

its 4.30 am here man and i'm still up so thanks for grammar alert i'm screwing my brain out here after a long day and night work for helping. by the way i work 16 to 18 hours a day on Computer hardware.

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October 10, 2013 11:08:53 PM

Alpha-Black said:
TBC1 said:
^^Grammar alert^^

And yeah, enough of the bickering and let him decide... Oh, and by the way, thanks for deselecting my solution ddbtkd456.

its 4.30 am here man and i'm still up so thanks for grammar alert i'm screwing my brain out here after a long day and night work for helping. by the way i work 16 to 18 hours a day on Computer hardware.



Everyone stop arguing before I report this thread to the mods for too much arguing. If you want to help him, fine but stop arguing as it confuses him further. Please feel free to pm me, innef, if you have any questions so that I may give you a proper answer that won't misguide you.
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October 10, 2013 11:46:50 PM

Problem:
Alpha-Black said:

aaa ok i think i need to blow the cover now.i was just watching and watcihng how you people act when someone ask you to help.
first of all i'm "COMPUTER" hardware "consultant" in very big a 14 billion dollar Multinational company AND have an experience of 12 years of real life everyday encounter with computer hardware.everyone is geek for his/self except few of you.He need a 700$ smooth rig.SO ! give him a rig don't Crush each others rig.stop fighting! give him choice just give your idea of a good one and let him chose. TBC1 your expert and we agree !!!!!! plz
MSI is officially a failed brand just low income buyer is buying MSI and its for only home user market.no exposure at all in business outline in video rendering ,game testing , developing ,designing no not at all.only low income home user.
ASUS is officially recommended brand and after that gigabyte comes in line.
AMD gaming very cool, normal daily application just fine but high and applications ? NO
Intel Gaming,i fully agree with a guy here that i5 proved it self but but high end core hungry applications,Intel and no doubt about it.
now lets come to GTX and Radeon. i recommend you not to buy new series coming with new names "just new names" inside story is very harsh for last end 7xxx series buyer in near future when 75% of are them going to cry for warranty issues.
GTX is just fine now.
i have an info for you people PC games always tested first on AMD not Intel and when it comes to Intel i5 tops till now never tested on i7 coz developers have idea of 4 cores in mind when building a PC version of a game now a days. and High end apps specially 3D modeling apps are always tested on i5 and i7 first no one in productive sectors will recommend you an AMD one ever till now but 8 core FX series is making a place also but its a 5 to 7 years time when you will say AMD is meeting Intel in this sector.
WD and Seagate. WD black is a bit just a bit more reliable then a seagate barracuda but barracuda is way way better then a WD blue one. seagate gives you 36 hours straight 7200rpm on full load and i tested it my self. but WD Blue reduces speed after 9 hours of full load to 6950rpm and after 24 hours 5100rpm and after straight 36 hours 4900rpm its a harsh but reality thing. Seagate in this case is way way better.
if your expert don't fight and misguide people in forums go and right tutorials like few people do here to and those tutorials are very fine.


Solution:

However you are wrong as well, TBC1 is not an expert, not even close, all the answers he has provided so far have been completely wrong and misguided. Look I will explain this just this once. MSI is one of the worst motherboard companies you can ever buy from, as they have very very poor QC and the number of RMA's within that company is ungodly, they have really really unreliable motherboards. ASUS is the top of the line when it comes to both Intel & AMD motherboards, then ASrock (which is a company that originally broke off of ASUS and became their own company), then Gigabyte (however I would never recommend any Gigabyte and MSI product, only ASUS and ASrock, since they are both very reliable companies and their motherboards almost never fail. AMD processors always run hotter then Intel's and just if anyone wants to argue with me here's a list of processors I run on a daily basis:

AMD A8 (Quad Core) (Laptop)
Intel i7 Extreme Edition (6 Hyper-Threaded Cores) (Work Computer)
Intel i5 (Home Computer for Gaming)
AMD FX-8350 (My Desktop Computer)
Intel i7 (Laptop) (4 Hyper-threaded Cores)

As I was saying...AMD's always run hotter then Intel's, however both are very specific processors meant to do very specific things. Rule of Thumb:

AMD: Useful for applications that run multi-cored (not multi-threaded) applications such as music encoding/production, (Winamp & Mediamonkey can use up to 8 cores at a time) video production/encoding. Budget is another reason that that most people chose an AMD processor over an Intel (unless you know how to look for them correctly). Also if you do heavy streaming with networks chances are that AMD based processors (FX later then 6xxx series) will likely outperform Intel since it has real cores, not hyper-threaded cores. If you plan on overclocking AMD processors generally have more headroom to overclock further then Intel.

Intel: Will outperform AMD in every way unless one of the reasons stated above. Gaming, everyday use, light usage, will all be better on an Intel based processor. Reason for this is the i5 is a quad core and there are not very many programs or games that will utilize more then a quad core to start with. Then there is the i7, which is a hyper threaded quad core, 4 (split) cores to equal what windows considers 8 cores. This is generally faster since it doesn't have to have the extra cores to drag around.

Also you are incorrect when it comes to video cards as well. I would recommend not to buy the new series or line of Radeon's coming out especially if you want to have dual cards eventually. GTX will outperform the Radeon's time and time again, although they do come with a higher price and a higher power consumption. The new series from Radeon isn't even suppose to surpass the Titan, however if you are on a budget (like me) you will want to aim for the Radeon starting and when you upgrade the next part of your computer get the GTX. Radeon's have a problem that is known as micro-shuttering when you crossfire, and it happens more times then not with those cards.

The Seagate Barracuda is a very reliable hard drive, I have 4 1 Terabytes running in 4 different computers for many many years (5+ years) and have yet to see a Western Digital Black keep up with it (my friend runs nothing but Western Digital's).

Also I disagree with your statement that he should be writing tutorials, my opinion if you don't know every single angle about the product you are trying to teach others about why answer it at all, and for that matter why write a tutorial on something you know nothing about and teach people incorrectly?

I have multiple tutorials on this....I am currently working on an upgrading your computer guide (also doubles as a new build guide) and it has very great detail to it. Please refer to the one in my sig currently if you do not understand what I have just said, also please make sure that you understand what you are talking about. Luckily I caught thing thread in time.

Additional Information:

I hope this helps answer your question a little bit better. Also please remember to select your best answer so that others may learn from your thread. Remember that you can contact me anytime about any questions or concerns you might have about things in the future. Thank you for your time and have a pleasant day/night.
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October 11, 2013 1:31:47 AM

ddbtkd456 said:
Problem:
Alpha-Black said:

aaa ok i think i need to blow the cover now.i was just watching and watcihng how you people act when someone ask you to help.
first of all i'm "COMPUTER" hardware "consultant" in very big a 14 billion dollar Multinational company AND have an experience of 12 years of real life everyday encounter with computer hardware.everyone is geek for his/self except few of you.He need a 700$ smooth rig.SO ! give him a rig don't Crush each others rig.stop fighting! give him choice just give your idea of a good one and let him chose. TBC1 your expert and we agree !!!!!! plz
MSI is officially a failed brand just low income buyer is buying MSI and its for only home user market.no exposure at all in business outline in video rendering ,game testing , developing ,designing no not at all.only low income home user.
ASUS is officially recommended brand and after that gigabyte comes in line.
AMD gaming very cool, normal daily application just fine but high and applications ? NO
Intel Gaming,i fully agree with a guy here that i5 proved it self but but high end core hungry applications,Intel and no doubt about it.
now lets come to GTX and Radeon. i recommend you not to buy new series coming with new names "just new names" inside story is very harsh for last end 7xxx series buyer in near future when 75% of are them going to cry for warranty issues.
GTX is just fine now.
i have an info for you people PC games always tested first on AMD not Intel and when it comes to Intel i5 tops till now never tested on i7 coz developers have idea of 4 cores in mind when building a PC version of a game now a days. and High end apps specially 3D modeling apps are always tested on i5 and i7 first no one in productive sectors will recommend you an AMD one ever till now but 8 core FX series is making a place also but its a 5 to 7 years time when you will say AMD is meeting Intel in this sector.
WD and Seagate. WD black is a bit just a bit more reliable then a seagate barracuda but barracuda is way way better then a WD blue one. seagate gives you 36 hours straight 7200rpm on full load and i tested it my self. but WD Blue reduces speed after 9 hours of full load to 6950rpm and after 24 hours 5100rpm and after straight 36 hours 4900rpm its a harsh but reality thing. Seagate in this case is way way better.
if your expert don't fight and misguide people in forums go and right tutorials like few people do here to and those tutorials are very fine.


Solution:

However you are wrong as well, TBC1 is not an expert, not even close, all the answers he has provided so far have been completely wrong and misguided. Look I will explain this just this once. MSI is one of the worst motherboard companies you can ever buy from, as they have very very poor QC and the number of RMA's within that company is ungodly, they have really really unreliable motherboards. ASUS is the top of the line when it comes to both Intel & AMD motherboards, then ASrock (which is a company that originally broke off of ASUS and became their own company), then Gigabyte (however I would never recommend any Gigabyte and MSI product, only ASUS and ASrock, since they are both very reliable companies and their motherboards almost never fail. AMD processors always run hotter then Intel's and just if anyone wants to argue with me here's a list of processors I run on a daily basis:

AMD A8 (Quad Core) (Laptop)
Intel i7 Extreme Edition (6 Hyper-Threaded Cores) (Work Computer)
Intel i5 (Home Computer for Gaming)
AMD FX-8350 (My Desktop Computer)
Intel i7 (Laptop) (4 Hyper-threaded Cores)

As I was saying...AMD's always run hotter then Intel's, however both are very specific processors meant to do very specific things. Rule of Thumb:

AMD: Useful for applications that run multi-cored (not multi-threaded) applications such as music encoding/production, (Winamp & Mediamonkey can use up to 8 cores at a time) video production/encoding. Budget is another reason that that most people chose an AMD processor over an Intel (unless you know how to look for them correctly). Also if you do heavy streaming with networks chances are that AMD based processors (FX later then 6xxx series) will likely outperform Intel since it has real cores, not hyper-threaded cores. If you plan on overclocking AMD processors generally have more headroom to overclock further then Intel.

Intel: Will outperform AMD in every way unless one of the reasons stated above. Gaming, everyday use, light usage, will all be better on an Intel based processor. Reason for this is the i5 is a quad core and there are not very many programs or games that will utilize more then a quad core to start with. Then there is the i7, which is a hyper threaded quad core, 4 (split) cores to equal what windows considers 8 cores. This is generally faster since it doesn't have to have the extra cores to drag around.

Also you are incorrect when it comes to video cards as well. I would recommend not to buy the new series or line of Radeon's coming out especially if you want to have dual cards eventually. GTX will outperform the Radeon's time and time again, although they do come with a higher price and a higher power consumption. The new series from Radeon isn't even suppose to surpass the Titan, however if you are on a budget (like me) you will want to aim for the Radeon starting and when you upgrade the next part of your computer get the GTX. Radeon's have a problem that is known as micro-shuttering when you crossfire, and it happens more times then not with those cards.

The Seagate Barracuda is a very reliable hard drive, I have 4 1 Terabytes running in 4 different computers for many many years (5+ years) and have yet to see a Western Digital Black keep up with it (my friend runs nothing but Western Digital's).

Also I disagree with your statement that he should be writing tutorials, my opinion if you don't know every single angle about the product you are trying to teach others about why answer it at all, and for that matter why write a tutorial on something you know nothing about and teach people incorrectly?

I have multiple tutorials on this....I am currently working on an upgrading your computer guide (also doubles as a new build guide) and it has very great detail to it. Please refer to the one in my sig currently if you do not understand what I have just said, also please make sure that you understand what you are talking about. Luckily I caught thing thread in time.

Additional Information:

I hope this helps answer your question a little bit better. Also please remember to select your best answer so that others may learn from your thread. Remember that you can contact me anytime about any questions or concerns you might have about things in the future. Thank you for your time and have a pleasant day/night.

Everything you side point by point agreed and i said "TCB1 your expert we agree!!!!!! Plz " try to understand the sense.:D  and mate for 90% home user is not in technical market of computers but in hype market i think you know what i mean in production music/videos trust me i7 6 core is best till now Music majix and Adobe premier pro CC we had tested on both AMD and Intel but tell now i7 6 core outperformed 8 cored AMD by 26.1% average better performance per hour BUT how speedy AMD is coming up! IF Intel sleeps like they are now and just using die to make CPUs not new research then time is very near when AMD outruns Intel with huge difference and that will really Crush Intel's market on both Home and business ends like AMD did a very big mistake and last end HD 7xxx cards have a very big manufacturing fault and now they now warranties are coming soon:D 

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October 11, 2013 9:30:17 AM

ddbtkd456, no offense, but you make yourself sound like a real jerk. I may be no "expert", but I am here to help in any best way possible. And seriously?, don't put other people down for what you think is the best answer.

Oh, and btw - Bad mouth MSI all you want (they are great company Mr. fan-boy). I have their z87-g45 mobo and it is top notch.
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October 11, 2013 10:59:51 AM

TBC1 said:
ddbtkd456, no offense, but you make yourself sound like a real jerk. I may be no "expert", but I am here to help in any best way possible. And seriously?, don't put other people down for what you think is the best answer.

Oh, and btw - Bad mouth MSI all you want (they are great company Mr. fan-boy). I have their z87-g45 mobo and it is top notch.


No correction, there is no way that anyone should recommend it, and I am not a fan of anything I run a Gigabyte ASUS ASrock, and a MSI. Just would not recommend them. And I didn't mean it for you to take it like that I simply meant to take some time and read a tutorial or two in order to better understand what I was saying. Also we can not give the recommended answer to someone that is wrong, then that leads other people to believe the wrong thing. Thus the reason you can not pick yourself as your own best answer. Best answers are selected so if people have similar questions they can see the real answer to that problem instead of creating threads. Knowledge is power.
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October 11, 2013 11:02:29 AM

Alpha-Black said:
ddbtkd456 said:
Problem:
Alpha-Black said:

aaa ok i think i need to blow the cover now.i was just watching and watcihng how you people act when someone ask you to help.
first of all i'm "COMPUTER" hardware "consultant" in very big a 14 billion dollar Multinational company AND have an experience of 12 years of real life everyday encounter with computer hardware.everyone is geek for his/self except few of you.He need a 700$ smooth rig.SO ! give him a rig don't Crush each others rig.stop fighting! give him choice just give your idea of a good one and let him chose. TBC1 your expert and we agree !!!!!! plz
MSI is officially a failed brand just low income buyer is buying MSI and its for only home user market.no exposure at all in business outline in video rendering ,game testing , developing ,designing no not at all.only low income home user.
ASUS is officially recommended brand and after that gigabyte comes in line.
AMD gaming very cool, normal daily application just fine but high and applications ? NO
Intel Gaming,i fully agree with a guy here that i5 proved it self but but high end core hungry applications,Intel and no doubt about it.
now lets come to GTX and Radeon. i recommend you not to buy new series coming with new names "just new names" inside story is very harsh for last end 7xxx series buyer in near future when 75% of are them going to cry for warranty issues.
GTX is just fine now.
i have an info for you people PC games always tested first on AMD not Intel and when it comes to Intel i5 tops till now never tested on i7 coz developers have idea of 4 cores in mind when building a PC version of a game now a days. and High end apps specially 3D modeling apps are always tested on i5 and i7 first no one in productive sectors will recommend you an AMD one ever till now but 8 core FX series is making a place also but its a 5 to 7 years time when you will say AMD is meeting Intel in this sector.
WD and Seagate. WD black is a bit just a bit more reliable then a seagate barracuda but barracuda is way way better then a WD blue one. seagate gives you 36 hours straight 7200rpm on full load and i tested it my self. but WD Blue reduces speed after 9 hours of full load to 6950rpm and after 24 hours 5100rpm and after straight 36 hours 4900rpm its a harsh but reality thing. Seagate in this case is way way better.
if your expert don't fight and misguide people in forums go and right tutorials like few people do here to and those tutorials are very fine.


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However you are wrong as well, TBC1 is not an expert, not even close, all the answers he has provided so far have been completely wrong and misguided. Look I will explain this just this once. MSI is one of the worst motherboard companies you can ever buy from, as they have very very poor QC and the number of RMA's within that company is ungodly, they have really really unreliable motherboards. ASUS is the top of the line when it comes to both Intel & AMD motherboards, then ASrock (which is a company that originally broke off of ASUS and became their own company), then Gigabyte (however I would never recommend any Gigabyte and MSI product, only ASUS and ASrock, since they are both very reliable companies and their motherboards almost never fail. AMD processors always run hotter then Intel's and just if anyone wants to argue with me here's a list of processors I run on a daily basis:

AMD A8 (Quad Core) (Laptop)
Intel i7 Extreme Edition (6 Hyper-Threaded Cores) (Work Computer)
Intel i5 (Home Computer for Gaming)
AMD FX-8350 (My Desktop Computer)
Intel i7 (Laptop) (4 Hyper-threaded Cores)

As I was saying...AMD's always run hotter then Intel's, however both are very specific processors meant to do very specific things. Rule of Thumb:

AMD: Useful for applications that run multi-cored (not multi-threaded) applications such as music encoding/production, (Winamp & Mediamonkey can use up to 8 cores at a time) video production/encoding. Budget is another reason that that most people chose an AMD processor over an Intel (unless you know how to look for them correctly). Also if you do heavy streaming with networks chances are that AMD based processors (FX later then 6xxx series) will likely outperform Intel since it has real cores, not hyper-threaded cores. If you plan on overclocking AMD processors generally have more headroom to overclock further then Intel.

Intel: Will outperform AMD in every way unless one of the reasons stated above. Gaming, everyday use, light usage, will all be better on an Intel based processor. Reason for this is the i5 is a quad core and there are not very many programs or games that will utilize more then a quad core to start with. Then there is the i7, which is a hyper threaded quad core, 4 (split) cores to equal what windows considers 8 cores. This is generally faster since it doesn't have to have the extra cores to drag around.

Also you are incorrect when it comes to video cards as well. I would recommend not to buy the new series or line of Radeon's coming out especially if you want to have dual cards eventually. GTX will outperform the Radeon's time and time again, although they do come with a higher price and a higher power consumption. The new series from Radeon isn't even suppose to surpass the Titan, however if you are on a budget (like me) you will want to aim for the Radeon starting and when you upgrade the next part of your computer get the GTX. Radeon's have a problem that is known as micro-shuttering when you crossfire, and it happens more times then not with those cards.

The Seagate Barracuda is a very reliable hard drive, I have 4 1 Terabytes running in 4 different computers for many many years (5+ years) and have yet to see a Western Digital Black keep up with it (my friend runs nothing but Western Digital's).

Also I disagree with your statement that he should be writing tutorials, my opinion if you don't know every single angle about the product you are trying to teach others about why answer it at all, and for that matter why write a tutorial on something you know nothing about and teach people incorrectly?

I have multiple tutorials on this....I am currently working on an upgrading your computer guide (also doubles as a new build guide) and it has very great detail to it. Please refer to the one in my sig currently if you do not understand what I have just said, also please make sure that you understand what you are talking about. Luckily I caught thing thread in time.

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I hope this helps answer your question a little bit better. Also please remember to select your best answer so that others may learn from your thread. Remember that you can contact me anytime about any questions or concerns you might have about things in the future. Thank you for your time and have a pleasant day/night.

Everything you side point by point agreed and i said "TCB1 your expert we agree!!!!!! Plz " try to understand the sense.:D  and mate for 90% home user is not in technical market of computers but in hype market i think you know what i mean in production music/videos trust me i7 6 core is best till now Music majix and Adobe premier pro CC we had tested on both AMD and Intel but tell now i7 6 core outperformed 8 cored AMD by 26.1% average better performance per hour BUT how speedy AMD is coming up! IF Intel sleeps like they are now and just using die to make CPUs not new research then time is very near when AMD outruns Intel with huge difference and that will really Crush Intel's market on both Home and business ends like AMD did a very big mistake and last end HD 7xxx cards have a very big manufacturing fault and now they now warranties are coming soon:D 



I agree however you can not simply just compare processors like that its like comparing a lemon and an apple for taste, you just can't since they have two different tastes. A 6 core intel extreme (12 cores hyper-threaded) will beat a AMD 8 core since it has 4 more cores to work with...however most people will not pay the 700+ dollars for a single processor either.
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