Can't get 965BE C2 past 3.5GHz even with 1.5250v.

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Trying to get my 965BE C2 stepping overclocked and it won't even be stable at 3.6GHz even with 1.5250v. I've tried overclocking the NB, under/overclocking my RAM and increasing/lowering my RAM timings. I've disabled LLC and CoolnQuiet. So far nothing is working. It's stable at 3.5GHz with 1.4250v, but as soon as I go from 3.5 to 3.6 it throws a tantrum.
 
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yes. here is how you're going to do it. turn your ram speeds down as low as they'll go. turn your HT and northbridge frequency down as low as they'll go. now drop your cpu multiplier by -0.5 from stock. increase the cpu frequency the required amount to keep your cpu speed the SAME as when it's at stock. do not touch your vcore or any other power feature. We're trying to find the max FSB overclock your chip will accept. most of the C2 phenoms perfer fsb overclocking to multiplier overclocking.

example. your chips base cpu speed is 3.4ghz which is a cpu frequency of 200 x 17 cpu multiplier. knocking the multiplier down to 16.5 will mean you need a cpu frequency (fsb) speed of 206.

save and restart your computer, see if you'll...

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My specs are in my sig... Motherboard is ASRock 970De3 and RAM is G.Skill 2x2gb Ripjaws 1600mhz 9-9-9-24 but it's only running at 1333mhz since the IMC on the Phenom II is crap.

By the way temperatures are not the reason for the chip not overclocking. It never goes over 50C even under full load with prime95.

 

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Do you use multiplier only to overclock your processor..?

if yes, then try to combine multplier and your fsb clock..

my old x4 b50 (unlocked from x2 550) can't pass even 3400Mhz with multiplier only, even at 1.55v..
but with a good combination between multiplier and fsb (17x212), i can go to 3600Mhz with rather low voltage (1.375v)
 

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im very inexperienced with fsb overcloocking, I understand with fsb overclock it affects your ram speed too?

 
yes. here is how you're going to do it. turn your ram speeds down as low as they'll go. turn your HT and northbridge frequency down as low as they'll go. now drop your cpu multiplier by -0.5 from stock. increase the cpu frequency the required amount to keep your cpu speed the SAME as when it's at stock. do not touch your vcore or any other power feature. We're trying to find the max FSB overclock your chip will accept. most of the C2 phenoms perfer fsb overclocking to multiplier overclocking.

example. your chips base cpu speed is 3.4ghz which is a cpu frequency of 200 x 17 cpu multiplier. knocking the multiplier down to 16.5 will mean you need a cpu frequency (fsb) speed of 206.

save and restart your computer, see if you'll load into windows. if you do, restart and lower your multiplier by another -0.5, which will require a fsb/cpu frequency of 213 (rounding up).

keep doing small drops in your multiplier by -0.5 and keep bumping up your fsb in response until the computer fails to post or load into windows. That is the max FSB overclock your cpu will live with.

now we bump your vcore by 0.0125V and see if your system will load into windows again. this is where it gets a little cloudy... see there are several voltages to play around with when FSB/cpu frequency overclocking... vcore is the main one, but so is the cpu/nb voltage... we'll keep to the vcore until several bumps in vcore don't help. then you'll walk the vcore back to where you started and start to bump the cpu/nb a little (0.0125V). probably a few small steps... it won't need much. basically we're going to bring the multiplier, step by step back up to 17.

once the multiplier is at 17 and you can load into windows, you're going to load up hwmonitor, and prime and see where your temps are at. see if you're prime stable really. this is where you're going to need to play with voltages a little more (likely). remember, small changes, try to keep only to vcore, but if it isn't working then you'll have to use the cpu/nb or just the base nb voltage.

once you're prime stable, and temps remain under control (no guarantee, if temps are out of control, or you can't stabilize without obscene voltage numbers, you'll need to bring back the fsb by -5, and try to stabilize there)... you'll need to bring your ram back up to 1333 (or close enough) and your nb and your ht back up to close to 2000. see if the system is prime stable under those numbers. if you are and you still have good temps and under control voltages you can try to bump your multiplier up by 0.5 and see what happens.


 
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thanks, im gonna try this is half an hour, but is it 100% confirmed that the c2 phenoms prefer fsb overclock? if so that is quite interesting.

 

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ok so I have increased FSB (which isn't called FSB in my bios, it's called "CPU frequency", but I'm pretty sure it's FSB because when I changed it, it caused ram speed and cpunb speed to change) to 219, and set multiplier to 16.5 and now im running prime95 blend. I have CPU vcore set to 1.4250, and I lowered my RAM frequency to lowest setting like your said. it's now running at about 870'ish double data rate mhz.
 


i sorta posted that long litany because you need to know how high of a FSB your cpu will work with. they are limited, not by voltage or temps but by motherboard, psu and cpu. since you don't know how all those parts will interact you need to learn what the upper limits of your fsb/cpu frequency (you'll notice i called it both, and you're right, they mean the same thing... mostly)... so you know what's possible. if you set your cpu frequency to 219 and your chip will only go to 215, no amount of voltage will ever stabilize it.

and yeah. generally speaking the c2 phenom IIs loved their fsb/cpu frequency overclocking. they also tend to hit a wall HARD with their upper limits. meaning when they get to the end of their overclocking, the temps and voltages go sky high just for a small bump in speed.

which actually is almost like how most phenom's act. my c3 (same 965) likes both fsb and multiplier, but one thing is for certain 4.0 is as fast as it will go and stabilize and it takes WAY more vcore and heat then i ever want to stick into a cpu. I even got it to load into windows at 4.2... but yeah... even idling the temps were out of this world. ended up backing it down to a nice happy 3.8ghz... almost no vcore increase, almost no heat. and plenty of speed under the hood (3.8 is where the phii x4 965be sorta tops out on the gains from overclocking)
 

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well I ran 219 fsb @ 16.5x = 3600 on prime95 for 1 hour and it went perfect so i think thats about as good as it gets for my chip... tried going for 3700mhz but no matter how much voltage i go for it doesnt wanna go. obviously my motherboard is complete crap and not made for overclocking, but i know that my psu is not the bottleneck for this overclock. my psu is great. but yeah my board has the old 700 series amd chipset and only a lousy 4/2 vrm design, very bogus for overclocking. tomorrow i could try 3.7@1.5v, but i dont think the huge jump in voltage is worth it for 100mhz. im just glad that i tried out fsb overclocking, because it allowed me to finally get a stable 3.6ghz, at only 1.45v.

but now, do you think there is another factor that will possibly help me reach 3.7ghz? like maybe screwing with cpunb clocks/volts, NB voltages or ram timings? in the past ive found that ram timings does nothing, but lowering ram frequency helps me get higher cpu overclock? currently i have my ram running at 1168 mhz or something like that, not your typical ram clock obviously since i was screwing around with fsb.

 

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Remember to lower you HT Link..and set it as close as possible to 2000 Mhz.
Too high HTLink can make your system very unstable.

at fsb 219, set your htlink multiplier to x9 (1800Mhz)

And at fsb 219, your NB run at 2190Mhz (219x10), that's mean in overclocked condition..
set it to x9 (1800) to make it normal
if you want to overclock your NB, add a notch voltage bump to CPU-NB setting.

and also set your memory voltage to 1.65v.