Please help on deciding new haswell CPU..

oliver max

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Hello,

I am currently building a new PC. This will be my first purchase after 6 years (I'm frugal when it comes to tech), so I intend to spend a bit to make it relevant in the long run. I have been looking into Z87 chipset that offers future expansion and Haswell CPUs.

I will be using this PC for gaming, browsing, and general usage. Maybe some matlabbing and engineering simulation in the future. I have all other components (hd 7950 boost, 32 ggb ddr3 1333, 750W psu, etc) ready except for mobo, cpu and case (which will be Antec One). I do however, have a certain budget I intend to keep to.

The problem with Haswell as many reviews point out is the temperature. I like my CPU to run cool, preferably 30s idle and 60s max under load, with stock cooler (my old phenom II X4 945 runs very cool with stock cooler, max was 57). But what I don't understand is, does this high temperature apply to all haswell models or only some?

Overclocking goes against my principle, so I will never do that. However I do want to have a decent performing CPU at stock speed and if possible, run cool. The thing is, I am perplexed by the sheer number of iterations Core i5 and i7 have. How do I decide when there are 4430 all the way to 4770 with different letters like r,s,t and k? Almost all of them run upwards from 3 Ghz, which sounds good for me. I heard i7-4770k runs very hot, dunno if this is a good investment. It will certainly piss me off if I spend 330 dollars on this 'subpar' design, only to have the next haswell significantly improve cooling.

Alternatively, I have considered buying some low performance cpu like i5-4670 or 4570 and upgrade later when a new, cooler haswell comes out, though i hate the hassle of putting cpu up for sale on ebay - i never have any experience selling cpu components.

Also, I cannot afford to wait. I have to build this PC asap. Dunno how long will this acer 4720g last...its screen is already showing artifacts.

Please help me!!!
 

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is any i7 good or do you recommend the 4770?
 
If you are not going to overclock, then there is no real reason to buy a Z87 chipset motherboard which is meant for overclocking. You can just use a H87 chipset mobo. The Z87 chipset does not mean better compatibility. Besides, it is very unlikely you will be upgrading in the future anyway. The refreshed Haswell CPUs coming out next year will probably not provide much of a performance increase. It will add some features I am sure, may reduce power consumption slightly, but if you are going to buy an i7-4770, then there is really nothing much higher you can go. Even if a newer more powerful Core i7 CPU is coming next year would you pay another $300+ for maybe a 5%-10% increase in performance?

In 2015 socket 1150 used by Haswell will be dead. Intel will be releasing Skylake and it will be using a different socket which means it will not fit in a socket 1150 motherboard. Lastly Intel CPUs tends to hold their value over time. The 2nd generation i5-2500k was released at $235. Even after a few month of the release of the 4th generation i5-4670k, the i5-2500k is still selling for $220.
 
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Its on par with the i5-4670 but it has hyperthreading which may or may not have an impact on future titles.

Essentially, its a i7-4770 without the iGPU, runs cooler, and is $50 less.
 
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The E3-1230 V3 is essentially on par with the 4770 and its cheaper than the 1240, so you should ge tthe 1230 anyway.
 

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sorry to ask again, but I just discovered Xeon E3-1245 V3 which has embedded gpu!
Where I'm from it's cheaper even than the i7-4770! i might get this one.

only question is, will the xeon chips run cool? that's very important to me.
 
Haswell runs hot because it integrates the voltage regulator which used to be part of the motherboard. That's why Ivy Bridge CPUs were rated at 77w TDP while Haswell CPUs are rated at 84w TDP. Over the past several years the objective has been to integrate more functions in the CPU that were not there before. Examples are integrated graphics and memory controller. This trend will continue and is very similar to ARM processor's SoC concept; System on Chip.



 

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so this means that the xeon e3-1230v3 without igpu will run cooler than the xeon e3-1245v3?