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October 14, 2013 5:04:10 PM

Hello, I'm looking to put together my first desktop build (for gaming and video editing, Photoshop, auto cad, music creation) and I was having trouble deciding between the i7-4770k and the fx-8350. After reading multiple threads I decided on the 4770k but I'd like opinions on which to get. If the 4770k is the way to go, how is the motherboard that I picked, and what are your thoughts on the memory I picked (quality for cost), and the case I picked out.

Here's my build on pcpartpicker:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kojitsari/saved/2xZM
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October 14, 2013 5:07:57 PM

If money is not an issue, the i7-4770k all the way. And for the motherboard, I'd pick the ASUS Sabertooth Z87 at that price range.
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October 14, 2013 5:08:57 PM

both are good but it depends on your budget.
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October 14, 2013 5:09:34 PM

Come on meow, this has to be the most covered topic on the whole of the internet.
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October 14, 2013 5:18:40 PM

PepitoTV said:
If money is not an issue, the i7-4770k all the way. And for the motherboard, I'd pick the ASUS Sabertooth Z87 at that price range.


Well it's not that money isn't an issue, if I can save it, and still meet my needs, I'm all for it. All the reviews between the i7-4770K and fx-8350 say that the i7 out performs when it comes to multi tasking and even when it comes to gaming, even without the 4 extra cores of the fx-8350. On the motherboards why the Asus Sabertooth Z87? The only difference I could see was the eSATA 6Gb/s ports versus one Mini-PCI-Express/mSATA and that the MSI supports higher frequencies of memory.
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October 14, 2013 5:22:47 PM

pyromanicadeluxe said:
Come on meow, this has to be the most covered topic on the whole of the internet.


Yes it is quite debated over the internet, but out of all the forums, blogs, reviews....What I could not find was anyone who could actually explain why to pick either or except for one statement "depends on your budget" what am I actually losing by going with the fx-8350?
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October 14, 2013 5:25:17 PM

Think about it like this; you will likely never notice a difference between the 2 when it comes to gaming and you can take that extra 130 bucks and put it towards a bigger SSD or a badass set of headphones or a comfy chair or something else that will truly enhance your gaming experience.
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October 14, 2013 5:37:25 PM

pyromanicadeluxe said:
Think about it like this; you will likely never notice a difference between the 2 when it comes to gaming and you can take that extra 130 bucks and put it towards a bigger SSD or a badass set of headphones or a comfy chair or something else that will truly enhance your gaming experience.


I'm not using this for just for gaming though, I'm going to be doing video editing and auto cad 2013 (with all the 3D effects) oh and a few other things too. I've been told that the multi threading the i7 offers is critical for these things, and the fx-8350 just can't compete. Is this complete utter crap spread across the quintillion forums I've read or is it true?
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October 14, 2013 5:59:41 PM

Kojitsari said:
pyromanicadeluxe said:
Think about it like this; you will likely never notice a difference between the 2 when it comes to gaming and you can take that extra 130 bucks and put it towards a bigger SSD or a badass set of headphones or a comfy chair or something else that will truly enhance your gaming experience.


I'm not using this for just for gaming though, I'm going to be doing video editing and auto cad 2013 (with all the 3D effects) oh and a few other things too. I've been told that the multi threading the i7 offers is critical for these things, and the fx-8350 just can't compete. Is this complete utter crap spread across the quintillion forums I've read or is it true?


So would the comments of a single user on this forum make you doubt what the rest of the world is saying?
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October 14, 2013 6:07:33 PM

Kojitsari said:
pyromanicadeluxe said:
Think about it like this; you will likely never notice a difference between the 2 when it comes to gaming and you can take that extra 130 bucks and put it towards a bigger SSD or a badass set of headphones or a comfy chair or something else that will truly enhance your gaming experience.


I'm not using this for just for gaming though, I'm going to be doing video editing and auto cad 2013 (with all the 3D effects) oh and a few other things too. I've been told that the multi threading the i7 offers is critical for these things, and the fx-8350 just can't compete. Is this complete utter crap spread across the quintillion forums I've read or is it true?


This should help. No opinions just hard numbers.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=836

Start here and benchmarks continue on the following pages.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4770k_revi...

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/451/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8...

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October 14, 2013 6:53:49 PM

So would the comments of a single user on this forum make you doubt what the rest of the world is saying?[/quotemsg]

Well no, but out of the numerous forum's I've looked at the community on Tom's has been more helpful and the moderator's tend to either know where the solution can be found, or know someone who can. So I was just looking for some clarification where I knew I could find it ^_^.
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October 14, 2013 6:56:39 PM

Kojitsari said:
So would the comments of a single user on this forum make you doubt what the rest of the world is saying?


Well no, but out of the numerous forum's I've looked at the community on Tom's has been more helpful and the moderator's tend to either know where the solution can be found, or know someone who can. So I was just looking for some clarification where I knew I could find it ^_^.[/quotemsg]

Well I've yet to see one recommend the 8350 over the 4770k so what does that tell you?
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October 14, 2013 6:59:53 PM

You lose some single threaded performance by going 8350, I would go for the 8350 over the 4770K (But that is simply for moral reasons), but logically and should you have the money, go for the 4770K, it is better overall. The 8350 does have better performance per dollar and power consumption is irrelevant if you are concerned on that, but if you can go for the 4770K and have the same components in the rest of the build, why not?
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October 14, 2013 7:08:35 PM

The Q6660 Inside said:
You lose some single threaded performance by going 8350, I would go for the 8350 over the 4770K (But that is simply for moral reasons), but logically and should you have the money, go for the 4770K, it is better overall. The 8350 does have better performance per dollar and power consumption is irrelevant if you are concerned on that, but if you can go for the 4770K and have the same components in the rest of the build, why not?


Looking at the bench marks provided above, it seems like the fx8350 only falls behind a little bit for the main things I'll be using it for, however I can't seem to find anything on how it performs in modern games against the 4770K. Would it be nice to have the 8 cores of the 8350 to future proof, or would the 4770K be better to future proof?
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October 14, 2013 7:12:55 PM

Games are provided in the benchmarks I provided above. The single threaded advantage enjoyed by the 4770 gives it a pretty good edge in most gaming situations.
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October 14, 2013 7:19:05 PM

anort3 said:
Games are provided in the benchmarks I provided above. The single threaded advantage enjoyed by the 4770 gives it a pretty good edge in most gaming situations.


Ah, I didn't notice them on my first pass through when I answered. My apologies. So from what I've gathered the 4770K is the better option to prevent needing to upgrade for the next 3-4 years, as long as I'm willing to/can afford to, fork out the extra $150ish.

Oh also what do you think of the MSI mobo I picked compared to the ASUS Sabertooth Z87 that was mentioned above?
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October 14, 2013 7:22:28 PM

I bought my 2600K the week it was released in January 2011 and it has been overclocked to 4.5Ghz since day 1. I have no plans or need to even think about upgrading it yet.

For gaming this monthly tier list Tom's does is also quite useful.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
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October 14, 2013 7:28:01 PM

Just saw your edit. I'm a Gigabyte motherboard fan myself but you really can't go wrong with Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock or MSI. Just find a board in your price range with the features you need.
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October 14, 2013 7:31:49 PM

anort3 said:
Just saw your edit. I'm a Gigabyte motherboard fan myself but you really can't go wrong with Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock or MSI. Just find a board in your price range with the features you need.


Any particular reason you like GIgabyte? This is my first step into the desktop world, so any and all incites would be appreciated.
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October 14, 2013 7:48:21 PM

I have used them for almost 15 years in my personal builds and I am just very familiar with them, their features and their BIOS. Usually they get it very right although during the LGA 1156 days I was not recommending them due to some quality control issues. I never had an LGA 1156 setup myself but would have bought Asus if I did.

Gigabyte and Asus get Intel specs first and they are always first out with new Intel chipsets even before Intel themselves release them. That says a lot.

I use other brands for people in builds all the time. I just stick with Gigabyte in my personal computers.
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October 14, 2013 7:53:04 PM

Kojitsari said:
anort3 said:
Just saw your edit. I'm a Gigabyte motherboard fan myself but you really can't go wrong with Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock or MSI. Just find a board in your price range with the features you need.


Any particular reason you like GIgabyte? This is my first step into the desktop world, so any and all incites would be appreciated.


It's best to look at all the companies mentioned, narrow down to a small list in your budget then look at customer reviews. All make good boards, and all make boards with problems so don't start with one company.

Asrock has some great value boards. Asus and Gigabyte MAY have higher quality control. MSI appears to be more hit-and-miss but I still check to see what they offer and the reviews. Continued SOFTWARE and BIOS support are also important.

I consider Asus and Gigabyte as the top companies for motherboards and roughly equal.

It also boils down to BUDGET. One of my favorite $200 boards is the Asus Maximus Hero VI (which has SupremeFX audio). It's a Z87 1150 board. It's a little more expensive but if you only consider that you'd perhaps need a $50 audio card for similar audio then the board comes closer to $150. I personally can't stand even the best onboard Realtek solution after using a good audio card (and good speakers).

CPU power consumption:
The benchmarks for CPU's are available so I won't beat that dead horse. However, I want to mention something about POWER consumption not often discussed.

Power drawn from the wall equals the HEAT energy added to the room. My small room gets very hot with my PC running, even in the Winter time because windows are closed. Running an FX-8350 would make the temperature in my room unbearable. I believe tests have shown as much as 100Watts difference when both where slightly overclocked which is quite significant from a HEAT/Temperature point of view.
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October 14, 2013 8:32:50 PM

Power drawn from the wall equals the HEAT energy added to the room. My small room gets very hot with my PC running, even in the Winter time because windows are closed. Running an FX-8350 would make the temperature in my room unbearable. I believe tests have shown as much as 100Watts difference when both where slightly overclocked which is quite significant from a HEAT/Temperature point of view.[/quotemsg]

This made me laugh...I already kinda have that issue with a game console running for extended periods of time. With this pc I can only imagine how it'll be in my room, granted I'm going to college in the fall so my room in the dorms will probably be smaller.....and my natural body temp is 2 degrees higher than the standard temp. FML if I don't take that into account.
Huge side track and really unrelated rank but hey, thanks for the reminder.
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October 14, 2013 8:41:29 PM

I am of the same opinion as The Q6660 Inside.

As you say in your last post 'as long as I'm willing to/can afford to, fork out the extra $150ish', that would be my take on it all as well.
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October 14, 2013 9:06:47 PM

Gigabyte and Asus get Intel specs first and they are always first out with new Intel chipsets even before Intel themselves release them. That says a lot.

I use other brands for people in builds all the time. I just stick with Gigabyte in my personal computers.[/quotemsg]

alright so I've narrowed it down to these two mobo's:
ASRock Z87 OC Formula
ASUS MAXIMUS VI FORMULA

Which one would be the better mobo?

Edit: Decided to go with the ASUS, the superior on board sound sold me on the $30.00 difference (I'm a bit of an audiophile...) plus the red/black color scheme is much preferred to the yellow/black. Thanks for all the help guys.
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