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October 14, 2013 11:07:10 PM

Hello guys...I am going to buy a new computer next week after my exam....At first im thinking of a custom built pc..but after calculating the price...its too expensive...and then yesterday i went to alienware's website....The alienware x51 looks good and not too expensive...so here i would like to ask you guys...is the alienware x51 good for gaming and the quality of the pc itself...But if you guys think that it isnt good..i will stick to plan and just buy the custom built..Thank you :) 

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October 14, 2013 11:12:54 PM

When you say custom built what do you mean? If you are willing to build your own PC that is the only route to go... If you are not comfortable with the idea of building a PC watch some youtube videos on building your own PC. Not only will you see how easy it actually is you can save a TON of money. People on these forums will even put together the components for you if you ask nicely and let us know your budget :p 
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October 14, 2013 11:14:01 PM

TheNoobOne said:
Hello guys...I am going to buy a new computer next week after my exam....At first im thinking of a custom built pc..but after calculating the price...its too expensive...and then yesterday i went to alienware's website....The alienware x51 looks good and not too expensive...so here i would like to ask you guys...is the alienware x51 good for gaming and the quality of the pc itself...But if you guys think that it isnt good..i will stick to plan and just buy the custom built..Thank you :) 


I can suggest you a build of any budget!Just tell me your budget?
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October 14, 2013 11:14:56 PM

See what I mean :) 
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October 14, 2013 11:18:41 PM

Alienware(Dell) has got to make money, so you're always going to be paying more for a pre-built PC than you would for a custom one. If you're a complete newbie to computer hardware, it'll be better to stick with Alienware unless you're really willing to learn. A lot of things can go wrong with a new computer build, and even people with experience can be held up by a problem for weeks.

Bottom line:
Custom build: More options and flexibility with budget, more to learn and experience, more performance for your dollar.
Alienware: Guaranteed under warranty and tech support, no need to learn the fundamentals of a PC, less headache if components fail under warranty.
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October 14, 2013 11:19:14 PM

subhadeep082012 said:
TheNoobOne said:
Hello guys...I am going to buy a new computer next week after my exam....At first im thinking of a custom built pc..but after calculating the price...its too expensive...and then yesterday i went to alienware's website....The alienware x51 looks good and not too expensive...so here i would like to ask you guys...is the alienware x51 good for gaming and the quality of the pc itself...But if you guys think that it isnt good..i will stick to plan and just buy the custom built..Thank you :) 


I can suggest you a build of any budget!Just tell me your budget?


MattyB13 said:
See what I mean :) 


My budget is around $1250...i dont need monitor or other peripherals..thank you..
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October 14, 2013 11:21:21 PM

thismafiaguy said:
Alienware(Dell) has got to make money, so you're always going to be paying more for a pre-built PC than you would for a custom one. If you're a complete newbie to computer hardware, it'll be better to stick with Alienware unless you're really willing to learn. A lot of things can go wrong with a new computer build, and even people with experience can be held up by a problem for weeks.

Bottom line:
Custom build: More options and flexibility with budget, more to learn and experience, more performance for your dollar.
Alienware: Guaranteed under warranty and tech support, no need to learn the fundamentals of a PC, less headache if components fail under warranty.


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October 14, 2013 11:23:19 PM

thismafiaguy said:
Alienware(Dell) has got to make money, so you're always going to be paying more for a pre-built PC than you would for a custom one. If you're a complete newbie to computer hardware, it'll be better to stick with Alienware unless you're really willing to learn. A lot of things can go wrong with a new computer build, and even people with experience can be held up by a problem for weeks.

Bottom line:
Custom build: More options and flexibility with budget, more to learn and experience, more performance for your dollar.
Alienware: Guaranteed under warranty and tech support, no need to learn the fundamentals of a PC, less headache if components fail under warranty.


Hmm...Do you think alienware x51 is good?Can u give me some advantages and disadvantages of alienware...thank you :)  and im a completely noob about computer.... :( 
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October 14, 2013 11:29:40 PM

Alienware is very overpriced... something like this should be fine for gaming
I'm not sure how good Mushkin RAM is, so you can swap that out for a better brand if you want :p 
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P0L4

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-248NWU (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1029.43
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-15 02:38 EDT-0400)
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October 14, 2013 11:31:39 PM

Can you post a link to what you are looking at? When I google the x51 I get an overpriced outdated machine lol.

The parts posted above will pretty much demolish an Alienware in terms of price/performance. Though I still prefer Nvidia :p 
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October 14, 2013 11:40:59 PM

Well I live in Australia and it was just my build but modified for rebates in the US (since we get shafted by prices a bit)
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October 14, 2013 11:45:22 PM

MattyB13 said:
Can you post a link to what you are looking at? When I google the x51 I get an overpriced outdated machine lol.

The parts posted above will pretty much demolish an Alienware in terms of price/performance. Though I still prefer Nvidia :p 



http://m.dell.com/mt/www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51-r2...
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October 14, 2013 11:46:20 PM

rolandzhang3 said:
Alienware is very overpriced... something like this should be fine for gaming
I'm not sure how good Mushkin RAM is, so you can swap that out for a better brand if you want :p 
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P0L4

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-248NWU (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1029.43
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-15 02:38 EDT-0400)


This looks okay, but I have a few objections. Why not go with a Haswell i5-4670K and a Z87 motherboard? Despite what people say about Haswell being the exact same/less than Ivy, it's still fundamentally better in the end to go with a newer platform. Also, 8GB of RAM will be plenty, the money could be used elsewhere, on the power supply for example. Don't skimp on the power supply, get something with more than enough power and efficiency from a reputable company like Corsair or Seasonic.

Here is my list:

Intel Core i5-4670K - $239.99
ASUS Maximus VI Hero - $194.99
G.Skill RipjawsX 8GB RAM - $79.99
Gigabye Windforce 7970 Ghz Edition - $359.99
Corsair RM750 PSU - $129.99
Seagate 1TB Solid State Hybrid Drive - $99.99
NZXT Phantom 530 Case - $129.99

Total: $1234.93
All prices were pulled from Newegg, so if you look around the market you can probably get it all for quite a bit less. Notice that I didn't include an OS, leaving that one for you to decide.

EDIT: I forgot to include a CPU cooler! If you plan on overclocking your CPU, definitely go for something beefy such as the Noctua NH-D14, it matches and exceeds the performance of many single 120mm radiator water coolers. It's also much more reliable, and it's quiet. But if you're not going to overclock, a Hyper 212 EVO for half the price will do very nicely.
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October 14, 2013 11:51:30 PM

Guys how bout this build...

Intel core i5 4670k
Gigabyte z87x ud3h
Nvidia GeForce GTX660
RAM 8GB
PSU 600W
Windows 7 pro 64bit

Is this good?give me some more suggestion..Thank you
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October 14, 2013 11:54:20 PM

Is that the Alienware you are looking at? It looks.. Decent. Improvements could be made to the GPU and PSU imo. Everything else looks rock solid. What games are you wanting to play on your new machine? And give a budget please!

Edit: Brand and model of the PSU would be good.. PSU quality is very important :) 
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October 14, 2013 11:59:55 PM

thismafiaguy said:
rolandzhang3 said:
Alienware is very overpriced... something like this should be fine for gaming
I'm not sure how good Mushkin RAM is, so you can swap that out for a better brand if you want :p 
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P0L4

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-248NWU (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1029.43
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-15 02:38 EDT-0400)


This looks okay, but I have a few objections. Why not go with a Haswell i5-4670K and a Z87 motherboard? Despite what people say about Haswell being the exact same/less than Ivy, it's still fundamentally better in the end to go with a newer platform. Also, 8GB of RAM will be plenty, the money could be used elsewhere, on the power supply for example. Don't skimp on the power supply, get something with more than enough power and efficiency from a reputable company like Corsair or Seasonic.


Ah yeah that makes sense, I went with ivy because a friend recommended it, I only went with 16gb because wouldn't dual channel performance be better (and 2x4gb would limit upgrade options down the road, please correct me if I'm wrong)? Yeah, the power supply sure could use a better choice :D 
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October 15, 2013 12:01:00 AM

thismafiaguy said:
rolandzhang3 said:
Alienware is very overpriced... something like this should be fine for gaming
I'm not sure how good Mushkin RAM is, so you can swap that out for a better brand if you want :p 
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P0L4

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax ATX-248NWU (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1029.43
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-15 02:38 EDT-0400)


This looks okay, but I have a few objections. Why not go with a Haswell i5-4670K and a Z87 motherboard? Despite what people say about Haswell being the exact same/less than Ivy, it's still fundamentally better in the end to go with a newer platform. Also, 8GB of RAM will be plenty, the money could be used elsewhere, on the power supply for example. Don't skimp on the power supply, get something with more than enough power and efficiency from a reputable company like Corsair or Seasonic.


TheNoobOne said:
Guys how bout this build...

Intel core i5 4670k
Gigabyte z87x ud3h
Nvidia GeForce GTX660
RAM 8GB
PSU 600W
Windows 7 pro 64bit

Is this good?give me some more suggestion..Thank you


How about this build

1.CPU-i5 4670k
2.Ram-8GB G.skill ripjaws
3.GPU-EVGA GTX 770
4.mobo-MSI Z87-G41
5.hdd:1 tb wd blue
6.SSD:120 GB Kingston hyperx
7.Case:CM haf 922
8.DVD burner:asus 24x dvd burner
9.PSU:Corsair TX 750
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October 15, 2013 12:03:49 AM

MattyB13 said:
Is that the Alienware you are looking at? It looks.. Decent. Improvements could be made to the GPU and PSU imo. Everything else looks rock solid. What games are you wanting to play on your new machine? And give a budget please!

Edit: Brand and model of the PSU would be good.. PSU quality is very important :) 


I really want to play battlefield 4....My dad gives me about $800....But i will add some more money and it will be around $1250....and it is including the operating system...Thank you for lending your time answering noobs like me...sorry..
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October 15, 2013 12:06:21 AM

TheNoobOne said:
Guys how bout this build...

Intel core i5 4670k
Gigabyte z87x ud3h
Nvidia GeForce GTX660
RAM 8GB
PSU 600W
Windows 7 pro 64bit

Is this good?give me some more suggestion..Thank you


I would replace that 660 with a 7950/760 at the very least (considering your prices), especially since you really want to play bf4 with alot of eyecandy cranked up :)  , an aftermarket cooler like the Hyper 212 EVO (or watercooling if you want) would help for your CPU if you're thinking of overclocking in the future. A GTX 770 is kinda pricey, whereas a 7970 Ghz/280x should offer similar performance at a lower price.
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October 15, 2013 12:09:22 AM

Subhadeep has a great suggestion. For 1250 you can build a great PC but in terms of a pre-built not so much.. If you want to play BF4 with good FPS I would say GTX760, preferably a 770. And this could be had easily with your budget. Again, I am not in touch with AMD, but their equivalent cards will do you well. 7950/7970 or 780X I believe.
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October 15, 2013 12:11:11 AM

Guys can i get a pc that cost $1250 or abit higher to play battlefield 4?
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October 15, 2013 12:12:29 AM

Easily, but are you willing to build yourself or not? Might be borderline if you bu a pre-build system.
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October 15, 2013 12:13:33 AM

rolandzhang3 said:
TheNoobOne said:
Guys how bout this build...

Intel core i5 4670k
Gigabyte z87x ud3h
Nvidia GeForce GTX660
RAM 8GB
PSU 600W
Windows 7 pro 64bit

Is this good?give me some more suggestion..Thank you


I would replace that 660 with a 7950/760 at the very least (considering your prices), especially since you really want to play bf4 with alot of eyecandy cranked up :)  , an aftermarket cooler like the Hyper 212 EVO (or watercooling if you want) would help for your CPU if you're thinking of overclocking in the future. A GTX 770 is kinda pricey, whereas a 7970 Ghz/280x should offer similar performance at a lower price.


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October 15, 2013 12:15:42 AM

rolandzhang3 said:
TheNoobOne said:
Guys how bout this build...

Intel core i5 4670k
Gigabyte z87x ud3h
Nvidia GeForce GTX660
RAM 8GB
PSU 600W
Windows 7 pro 64bit

Is this good?give me some more suggestion..Thank you


I would replace that 660 with a 7950/760 at the very least (considering your prices), especially since you really want to play bf4 with alot of eyecandy cranked up :)  , an aftermarket cooler like the Hyper 212 EVO (or watercooling if you want) would help for your CPU if you're thinking of overclocking in the future. A GTX 770 is kinda pricey, whereas a 7970 Ghz/280x should offer similar performance at a lower price.


A 770 has much better performance than the 7970
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October 15, 2013 12:21:24 AM

MattyB13 said:
Easily, but are you willing to build yourself or not? Might be borderline if you bu a pre-build system.


Yes...i will try my best...i will buy all the parts but i will leave it at the store to be installed..so the build should be

Intel core i5 4670k
Gigabyte z87x ud3h
Nvidia geforce gtx 760
Psu corsair 650W
Ram 8GB
Windows 7 pro 64bit
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October 15, 2013 12:25:59 AM

That is a very nice system. If you are unwilling to purchase a GTX770 I would recommend doing some research on AMD options as you can get better bang for your buck at the price point. If you decide to go with this build however it will be very nice, and if you add a second 760 in the future you have a monster on your hands :p  Make and buy a case with good airflow!
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October 15, 2013 12:27:42 AM

rolandzhang3 said:
Isn't AMD more optimized for BF4? just wondering :p 
hmm comparing the two
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/768?vs=829


Yes, but Nvidia will work just fine. If you plan to play at 1080p on ultra a 770 will be playable with FPS ranging from 40ish to 60ish. Toms posted some nice benchmarks recently.
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October 15, 2013 12:28:21 AM

I think this problem is solved....i got a few informations and i decided to build my own pc.....Thank you so much guys for answering my question i really appreciate that :) 
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October 15, 2013 12:30:44 AM

No problem. If you are building your first system watch some youtube tutorials and keep your motherboard manual close! :) 
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October 15, 2013 12:31:58 AM

I would go with R9 280x. Simply because you will have Directx 11.2, be ready for next gen. And it's AMD, which most games will be working with now since both xbox one and PS4 have AMD in them. And you can install PhysX to run off your GPU from nvidias site.
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October 15, 2013 12:33:37 AM

I wouldnt worry a ton about optimization.. Nvidia will compensate surely. Though again at the 760 pricepoint I agree with the above!
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October 15, 2013 12:37:27 AM

MattyB13 said:
I wouldnt worry a ton about optimization.. Nvidia will compensate surely. Though again at the 760 pricepoint I agree with the above!


Ah yes, I forgot to mention the price. I love AMD for they're price/performance.
And the R9 290x to be ~650 beating the 1k titan :D  can't wait for that. (I don't care of brand, I care about pricing and performance)
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October 15, 2013 12:42:14 AM

Yeah, if you are willing to spend 600+ it may be hard to argue with AMD :p  though I thought the 290x was gonna be 750? Seems to me AMD may be the way to go unless you are hovering around $400.
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October 15, 2013 12:43:30 AM

A little friendly competition is always nice :D 
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October 15, 2013 12:43:37 AM

Wait guys!one more question.....my monitor's resolution is 1600x900.....it is bad or good?monitor's model S20B300B...check it and tell me wther it is good or not...if it isnt good i need to buy a new one :( 
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October 15, 2013 12:46:24 AM

Your monitor is fine. It is not 1080p, but whether or not that makes a difference is up to you. At that resolution performance will be quite a bit better and the above builds will kick some serious ass.
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October 15, 2013 12:47:34 AM

Yep that's certainly true, my friend uses a 7970 GHz with a 1440x900 monitor and that should be beastly for many years xD
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October 15, 2013 12:56:58 AM

MattyB13 said:
Your monitor is fine. It is not 1080p, but whether or not that makes a difference is up to you. At that resolution performance will be quite a bit better and the above builds will kick some serious ass.


Ahhh damn...is it 720p??is there a major diffrnce btween 720p and 1080p??i just increase the budget to $1500 to buy some fans and other things...but now....do u recommend me to buy a new monitor?
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October 15, 2013 1:00:39 AM

Honestly that resolution was the standard no that long ago. My opinion is stick with what you got and in the future think about an upgrade unless you have the money to spend. You will be quite happy with your system and monitor :D  If you are interested in purchasing a monitor however 1080p = 1920x1080 and Newegg constantly has nice sales on monitors. Just make sure the response time is 5ms or less :) 
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October 15, 2013 1:01:30 AM

720p is 1280x720 and 1080p is 1920x1080, big difference between 720p and 1080p. 1600x900 is a pretty nice middle ground
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October 15, 2013 1:01:44 AM

TheNoobOne said:
MattyB13 said:
Your monitor is fine. It is not 1080p, but whether or not that makes a difference is up to you. At that resolution performance will be quite a bit better and the above builds will kick some serious ass.


Ahhh damn...is it 720p??is there a major diffrnce btween 720p and 1080p??i just increase the budget to $1500 to buy some fans and other things...but now....do u recommend me to buy a new monitor?

That is entirely up to you, or you can do as I. I run my PC with my TV, 32" 1080p. Saved money by not having to buy a monitor which meant, MORE POWER lol. HDMI is common in cards now.
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October 15, 2013 1:04:06 AM

I would swap the GTX 760 for a r9-280x. For the extra $50-60, you're going to get MUCH better performance. You may get on average 7-12 extra fps.

The 770 is better than the 280x depending on the game but even then it is by a very small margin. I can't recommend a 770 over a 280x on your budget because you'll be spending a $100 premium for an extra 2-4 fps on average.



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October 15, 2013 1:05:28 AM

So 1080p is HD which means you can use hdmi cable?I think i will buy it later...I want to spend the rest of the money to buy fans...Thank you guys!
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October 15, 2013 1:07:34 AM

Not exactly, assuming your monitor has hdmi inputs it does not have to be 1080p. I think you are making the right decision :)  You will be fine with your current monitor.
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October 15, 2013 1:19:53 AM

MattyB13 said:
Not exactly, assuming your monitor has hdmi inputs it does not have to be 1080p. I think you are making the right decision :)  You will be fine with your current monitor.


Erm.....i think the gtx 760 does not have the vga cable which my monitor is using now...that card only have dl dvi and hdmi..what should i do ?!?!
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October 15, 2013 1:25:46 AM

there should be a DVI to VGA adapter, if not you can buy one for fairly cheap

EDIT: damn beat me to it :p 
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October 15, 2013 1:27:43 AM

Ohh thanks god!Sorry guys i really dont know about computer...Thank you one more time!
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