A good Graphic card please?. I currently have MSI-FM2-A75MA-P33 MOBO , Transend Jet Ram DDR3 8 GB and AMD A10-5800k.

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Well, i haven't builded this pc yet.
Is this good enough for gaming ?
A good graphic card for this ?
Please tell a cheap one.
 

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The AMD A10-5800k is an APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) which means it's both a processor and it has a built-in graphics card. You could just stick with that built, but it's not particularly "good", though it's not terrible either. But it's certainly not that suited to gaming. You might be able to play a few games with it though.

If you want a good setup, I recommend you actually get a different motherboard and a different CPU. What's your budget for the entire build, not just the graphics card?
 
What you can run will depend also on your PSU.
For the sake of balance, the cards I'd suggest you consider, in ascending order of power, are: GTX650Ti < HD7790 < HD7850 <= GTX650Ti Boost Edition.
If you are able to buy from Newegg, I have also seen an occasional HD7870 as low as $170. Your CPU may bottleneck it a little, but not so severely as it's a bad idea.
If all of those cards are too expensive, try to get at least a HD7770.
 

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If he's getting a dedicated GPU, there's no reason for him to spend extra money on an underperforming APU. He should just get a cheaper, more powerful FX-6300 and then he won't have to worry about bottlenecking from any low-end or mid-range card.
 

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Pretty Much low About 350 Dollars :/ :??:
Could you give me good build for this ?
 

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Well yeah they are just shopping list, but plz suggest a good build for about 350 USD or max 400 USD
 

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Do you have any other components already? For example do you already have a case or a hard drive, or a power supply?
 

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Here's a build which is a bit overbudget but we can knock down the price some if necessary:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($58.80 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($85.38 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.94 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 350W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $416.06
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 14:04 EDT-0400)

The total before Mail-in rebates is $436.06. That's including shipping costs. After mail-in rebates it's $416.06, also including shipping costs. If that's still too high, we can knock the GPU down a peg if necessary. This is including all the parts necessary to build a PC, so if you have any other parts on you already such as Storage, Power Supply, or a Case, we can knock those off and either reduce the price or use the extra money to upgrade a part.
 
This is possibly the cheapest system I'd build.

ASRock B75M R2.0 LGA 1155 Intel B75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Model #: B75M R2.0
Item #: N82E16813157356
$62.99 -$5.00 Instant $57.99
Has modern interfaces like USB3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s.

SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card
Model #: 100358L
Item #: N82E16814202011
Mail in Rebate Card
$109.99 -$15.00 Instant $94.99
Without the rebate, it is still only about $5 more than the much weaker HD7750. I have not yet seen benchmarks of the R-240 and R-250. This should play most games on at least medium if not high settings.

Antec NEW SOLUTION SERIES VSK-3000 Black SGCC steel MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #: VSK-3000
Item #: N82E16811129186
$49.99 -$20.00 Instant $29.99
Plain, but I generally trust Antec for case quality.

Antec VP-450 450W ATX 12V v2.3 Power Supply - Intel Haswell Fully Compatible
Model #: VP-450
Item #: N82E16817371045
$49.99 -$10.00 Instant $39.99
Able to support any graphics card needing only one PCIe power adapter, so will support upgrades. Uses an efficient, modern design despite not having active PFC.

Intel Pentium G2020 Ivy Bridge 2.9GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80637G2020
Model #: BX80637G2020
Item #: N82E16819116886
$67.99 $67.99
Easy enough to upgrade in the future, but can handle games on "sufferable" settings today; beats the cheaper APUs

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT
Model #: F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT
Item #: N82E16820231253
$42.99 $42.99
4GB is enough on a budget.

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive - OEM
Model #: WD5000AAKX
Item #: N82E16822136769
$59.99 $59.99
Pretty standard consumer drive.

LG 24X DVD Burner - Bare Drive Black SATA Model GH24NS95 - OEM
Model #: GH24NS95
Item #: N82E16827136259
$19.99 $19.99
One optical drive is much like another.

Subtotal: $413.92
A hair over, but there's a rebate in there, and free shipping on the case.
 

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Well, Thanks guys

I have managed to get 450 USD now.
You can tell me till this range now.
And well I loved your responses. Would you please tell how to show support to you ? I am new to this community that's why.
 
So, this is what I was able to fit in your budget :

+ 2133 Mhz RAM, it was available for pretty cheap so I see no reason why not to include one.
+ Dual Channel RAM, that is two sticks are preffered over one.
+ I know that a build like this can run easily with 350W PSU, but having a better psu would give you room to upgrade in future.
+ That 600W PSU from EVGA is currently selling at a very good price.
+ That thermaltake case is a good deal. It looks okay, has a lot of cooling options and is currently a very good deal.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($58.80 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Predator Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($58.61 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.96 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($85.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $394.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-17 01:36 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Take a look at the build and tell me what you think about it. Your feedback would be highly appreciated.
Thanks :)
 
I just read that you now have 450 dollars. Then in that case, upgrade the graphics card to a 7870 XT. It should offer stellar performance for the price.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($58.80 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Predator Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($58.61 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.96 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $459.32
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-17 01:43 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps.
 

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Sorry, but there's a lot wrong with this build:

Let's start with pricing. You're looking at the after rebate cost, which sounds just barely overbudget at $460. However, the before rebate build is $530. That's $80 over his budget. Rebates don't work until after he's bought the build. That means that he has to shell out $530 before anything else, and that's not the least of his pricing problems.

The pricing only gets worse, as three of the parts that you put in his build aren't the same price you think they are. The Thermaltake case is $36 from Microcenter, but notice that it doesn't list a shipping cost? Well Microcenter has shipping costs as well. That's why there's a plus at the end of the pricemark if you looked at his build, and it's another $13. Then we have the PSU. The PSU is from NCIX, and so it also has the shipping dilemma as NCIX never lists their shipping pricing. The shipping there is minimum, $11. Then we get to the RAM. The RAM kit has its own problems, which I'll elaborate on later, but for now let's check the price. Now, clearly there's something wrong if every other retailer is listing this piece of RAM for over $100, while NCIX, who doesn't happen to list shipping, lists it for almost half that. That implies that the shipping cost will be jacked up in order to compensate. But we can't know the shipping cost, because this piece of RAM is on back order, and it has been for weeks. His build is incomplete because of that, and we'd have no idea when they'd be available again. But let's just pretend that it isn't on back order, and let's also pretend that shipping cost isn't terrible considering the other retailers. If he was lucky, it'd be available for $30 shipping, but let's say it'll be available for $20 shipping. So, that brings his grand total to $574, a whopping $124 overbudget, Clearly, that's not good.

Now let's get into compatibility issues. First, let's start with the GPU. The Radeon HD 7870 XT is going to be bottlenecked by the CPU. An Athlon II X4 750k can't handle that. The bottlenecking will be considerable, though overclocking can mitigate it however that would require at least another $30 for a cooler, and his motherboard is certainly not meant for high end overclocking. Secondly, 2133 RAM is not going to be supported by his motherboard without OCing. Ignoring the price and back order issues, 2133 MHz is going to be very strenuous on that motherboard. Before it'll even work at 2133 MHz, he'd have to go into the BIOS and play with settings before anything. That board certainly wasn't meant for 2133 RAM, and who knows if the board would even truly be stable before it got there.
 

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No, a CPU cooler isn't necessary to buy. Aftermarket coolers are meant for those who overclock and those who are paranoid. When people overclock, most of them increase voltages to get a good overclock, and in doing so generate a lot more heat. Because of this, an aftermarket cooler is necessary. Most CPUs, however, come with a stock cooler as all CPUs inevitably get hot. Stock coolers aren't as efficient as aftermarket coolers, but they get the job done and maintain decent temperatures for non-overclocking, which is why I said aftermarket coolers are for non-overclockers who get paranoid. But no, you don't need an aftermarket CPU cooler unless you notice that your CPU is creeping upwards of the 65 degree range in temperature.
 

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Oh crap, you live in India? Aw, dude, why didn't you tell us that? India's prices aren't 1:1 when you convert them from USD to Rupees. Hardware in India is significantly more expensive, and it's not guaranteed to have the same parts available as we do in the US. Can you tell us what your budget in rupees please? We'll have to do some searching through Amazon India and flipkart.
 


1. The pricing of PCPartPicker is accurate. It includes all the discounts and Shipping prices. And everyone in this forum suggests parts from PC Part Picker and I have never heard anyone complaining like this at all. Everyone suggests from PC part picker and so did I.

2. As for the RAM. The motherboard supports it and hence it should be just fine, because motherboard supports it. It is listed under the Motherboard specs. I personally checked it before recommending.

3. As for the bottleneck. Yes, the 7870 would bottleneck that CPU a bit. But still it would perform better than it would with a 7850. Also the bottleneck could be removed in the future for just 30 more dollars in the future and hence offering stellar performance.

4. Also try to post things in multi paragraphs. Writing a Single bit paragraph makes things hard to understand. You should use Multiple paragraphs Instead. Just an advice. Don't take it in a bad way.
 
@Meet Vyas : No the prices in India vary, so you should tell your budget in Indian Rupees instead. I live in India and might recommend something that suits you for the budget. The prices in India are quite high when compared to the price in USA.

Hence just tell me your budget in Indian Rupees.
 

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Your points are a bit underwhelming and leave out crucial facts just to support your argument. I happened to use PC Partpicker too, but the difference was my level of responsibility in checking it. Let's go over a few things. As you said, "It includes all the discounts and Shipping prices" when available. It can't list the prices for every website due to things such as the website's layout and shipping address relative to the warehouse. If you go ahead and recheck the three items mentioned, you'll notice a curious little "+" at the end of each Merchant total, and curiously enough, these same merchants with a "+" happen to be missing a shipping cost. Go ahead, check it right now:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-khx21c11t2k28x

Then of course, the issue is that mail-in rebates are factored into the final price. But that's just the thing, they're mail-in rebates. Mail-in rebates, if you go out of your way to look up what they are, are post-purchase discounts. After a user has spent the pre-rebate cost on a product, they can fill out a form and mail it back in order to get back some of their money. However, that means that you must be able to afford the pre-rebate price tag, which as we established, adds another $70. Yes, everyone on Tom's Hardware uses PCPartpicker, but those of us who are responsible take the time to select our parts and we make sure to list pre-rebate and post-rebate costs as PCPartpicker's BBC Code Markup does not list such things. I suggest that, if you would like to continue helping people with their problems, you learn to take some responsibility first because if he were living in the states, you'd be recommending him a build that would be so overbudget he couldn't afford it!

Then there's the RAM. It's amazing that you personally checked it and didn't notice (or simply didn't care) the glaring "(OC)" lettering next to the 2133 spec. That designation means that in order for the RAM speed to work at 2133 MHz, the memory controller must be manually overclocked. Of course it'll work, but not without putting in a lot of effort first trying to get everything stable. It's not as simple as checking off a memory profile when the memory controller must be OC'ed. And again, there's the price and back order issue associated with it.

Lastly, there's the bottleneck. Contrary to thought, a CPU cannot magically eliminate all bottlenecks just through overclocking. I said he could mitigate the bottleneck, not get rid of it completely. Now, that's assuming that he gets a good stable overclock, but there's two problems: Neither the Athlon II X4 750k nor the motherboard are particularly suited for high overclocks. Overclocking is just as much about having a good CPU as it is a good motherboard. The Athlon II X4 750k has some overclocking headroom, but I'd be surprised if it, and its motherboard would even get to a 400 MHz OC.

Oh and thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to use it.
 
1. The shipping charges are generally way too less to be actually considered.

2. I know how Mail-In-Rebates work and most people are fine with it. It is up to the OP, whether he is okay with Mail-In-Rebates or not.

3. Well.. the specs of the board at PCPartPicker did not mentioned (O.C), which is why I recommended this RAM. You can check the specs yourself at http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-fm2a75mae35 . There is no (O.C) mentioned there after 2133 MHz. Though, the newegg page mentions that (O.C), hence now I too do not recommend that RAM after reading the (O.C) after it.

But it is not my fault. The specs at the http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-fm2a75mae35 were not precise enough.

4. But you got to agree that 750K + 7870 would perform better than the 750K + 7850, even though it is being bottlenecked a bit.


Also a part of my GPU recommendation was because Logan at TekSyndicate recommended the 7870 with the 750K. He must have thought the same as me.

Though later he said that if you have little more money then go for the 7950, which is ridiculous, because the 7950 would definitely bottleneck the 750K.

For for most parts the 7870 should be fine. It is just the CPU intensive games that would suffer. Games like BF3 would run much better with the 7870 rather than the 7850.
 

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1. The shipping charges account for at the very least another $40.

2. The reason we list mail-in rebates before and after prices is because most of the time the OP does not know they are a part of their purchase. The BBC Code Markup gives no specific indication to look out for them. Had this not been addressed and had this been a person living in the states, there would have likely been a good amount of confusion, or worse, because PCPartpicker lists different retailers, the OP could have purchased some of their necessary parts from a retailer that doesn't use mail-in rebates before realizing that they can no longer afford the rest of their parts from another retailer which does use mail-in rebates.

3. Fair enough. For the record, Newegg is the most reliable source for technical information on parts (most of the time). I check them for tech specs before I put anything into a build.

4. Yes, it would be better, but the goal here is best bang for your buck and there should always be a focus on future proofing. The extra budget, in this case anyway, should have been allocated towards a different motherboard and a better CPU. FM2 is a socket type meant for lower end CPUs. If he wanted to get rid of this bottleneck without overclocking in future, it would be both expensive and tedious. He'd require both a new motherboard (~$60) and a new CPU (~$120), not to mention the list of troubles that come with replacing a motherboard in terms of driver issues and OEM OS problems. By comparison starting out with a good budget CPU and motherboard and a lower end GPU is much easier, as the GPU can be upgraded much more easily and likely more cheaply.

I watch TekSyndicate somewhat regularly and I have no idea whether it's due to bias or incompetence, but their results always seem half-assed. There's always variables missing from their benchmarks or some such things. For example, in most all of their benchmarking videos, usually for CPUs, they fail to leave minimum fps listings which are just as important, if not more important than fps averages. I've known more than a few people led astray by TekSyndicate's shoddy and misrepresentative findings. The majority of the time, all they seem to do is sit on their lazy asses and giggle to themselves over how inferior console gaming and fanboys are. Really, that entertainment value is the only reason I still watch them. It's certainly not for PC advice.
 

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About 30,000 र (rs)

And btw snapdeal is also a good site in India.

Btw I love you guys for help (no homo lol ) specially you Deus Gladiorum ;) :) :D:D
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Definitely no homo.. LOL!!

Okay, so in India, the cheapest gaming CPU that I consider for gaming is the i3 3220. Also the LGA 1155 board are cheaper. i3 3220 costs about 7000 Rupees.

Motherboard : Look for the MSI B75 MA P45 board. It is very cheap currently on Flipkart.

Case : I recommend getting the Bitfenix Merc Alpha from http://theitdepot.com

RAM : get two sticks of the Kingston Hyper X Blu. It costs about 4800.

PSU : Grab any cheap PSU. The Corsar CX 500 is currently selling very cheap on Flipkart

HDD : The Seagate Barracuda 500GB can be had for 3500 Rupees.

GPU : Get the 650 Ti if it is possible to fit in the budget. You would need to extend your budget a bit for fitting a good GPU.

I am sorry but in India, we do not have that many options for the budget.

All the cheaper CPU's in India are the dual cores which are not recommended anymore for gaming.
 

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