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October 16, 2013 6:22:55 PM

Hello, this is my first time visiting this website. You all seem very knowledgeable, so I'll reach out.

My current computer is around 5 years old, and a week ago the hard drive failed. I've managed to recover my data, but I feel it's time for an upgrade.

Some facts:

- I've never built a PC before, but I'd love to learn. I'll look up youtube videos and consult experts as needed. The most I've done is installed a new graphics card.

- I live in Toronto, Ontario. I'll buy local, but I'm not afraid to have parts shipped.

- My price range is around 700 - 900 dollars.

- I already purchased a SSD a while ago, so there needs to be room (?) to put that in, and can be subtracted from the budget.

- My graphics/video card is slightly newer than the rig itself, a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460. It's currently running most modern games pretty well. If it really helps the budget, I can take that out of my old computer and use it in the new build. That said, would anyone recommend an upgrade? Will it be outdated soon?

- I really don't want anything fancy (looks wise). The less lights/bells/whistles the better. A case that's built for ventilation/cooling over looks would be great.

- While I play modern games, I'd also like a computer with good processing power over anything else, as I'm a fan of processor heavy programs/games like Dwarf Fortress (trying to avoid late game FPS death).

- (Edit) Wanted to add, I have no experience with overclocking, but I'm not against the idea if it's safe, and not too complicated.

Any other tips, advice or ideas would be very welcome. Thanks again!


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October 16, 2013 6:35:01 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHul
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHul/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHul/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.33 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($167.97 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($212.05 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.79 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1017.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:34 EDT-0400)
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October 16, 2013 6:36:54 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHxK
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHxK/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHxK/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($164.62 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($100.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($212.05 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.79 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $884.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:36 EDT-0400)
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October 16, 2013 6:40:59 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHDT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHDT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHDT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($212.05 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.79 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $904.12
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:40 EDT-0400)
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October 16, 2013 6:41:05 PM

Slatt said:
Hello, this is my first time visiting this website. You all seem very knowledgeable, so I'll reach out.

My current computer is around 5 years old, and a week ago the hard drive failed. I've managed to recover my data, but I feel it's time for an upgrade.

Some facts:

- I've never built a PC before, but I'd love to learn. I'll look up youtube videos and consult experts as needed. The most I've done is installed a new graphics card.

- I live in Toronto, Ontario. I'll buy local, but I'm not afraid to have parts shipped.

- My price range is around 700 - 900 dollars.

- I already purchased a SSD a while ago, so there needs to be room (?) to put that in, and can be subtracted from the budget.

- My graphics/video card is slightly newer than the rig itself, a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460. It's currently running most modern games pretty well. If it really helps the budget, I can take that out of my old computer and use it in the new build. That said, would anyone recommend an upgrade? Will it be outdated soon?

- I really don't want anything fancy (looks wise). The less lights/bells/whistles the better. A case that's built for ventilation/cooling over looks would be great.

- While I play modern games, I'd also like a computer with good processing power over anything else, as I'm a fan of processor heavy programs/games like Dwarf Fortress (trying to avoid late game FPS death).

- (Edit) Wanted to add, I have no experience with overclocking, but I'm not against the idea if it's safe, and not too complicated.

Any other tips, advice or ideas would be very welcome. Thanks again!




http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHuP Check this one.
it's for 896 USD. with a new 2 gb GTX 650ti and an 1TB new hard drive for other stuff then games. Without GPU and new hard drive you can have it for 681 USD. even below 700 dollars and its a full on p.c for heavy gaming. :D 
if you want your old GPU to be used in that's also better for next year or so.
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October 16, 2013 6:44:16 PM

smorizio said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHDT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHDT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHDT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($212.05 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($15.79 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $904.12
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:40 EDT-0400)


Mate !
Micro ATX Motherboard
non K CPU (not over clockable)
MSI GPU.
8 gb ram
for 900+ with zalman case?????
and why 850 watts ?
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October 16, 2013 6:48:19 PM

it the same price as the 650 and 750 watts it on sale mate!!!
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October 16, 2013 6:49:57 PM

smorizio said:
it the same price as the 650 and 750 watts it on sale mate!!!

Totally agreed on PSU. if its the same in price :D 
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October 16, 2013 6:51:24 PM

Alpha-Black said:
Slatt said:
Hello, this is my first time visiting this website. You all seem very knowledgeable, so I'll reach out.

My current computer is around 5 years old, and a week ago the hard drive failed. I've managed to recover my data, but I feel it's time for an upgrade.

Some facts:

- I've never built a PC before, but I'd love to learn. I'll look up youtube videos and consult experts as needed. The most I've done is installed a new graphics card.

- I live in Toronto, Ontario. I'll buy local, but I'm not afraid to have parts shipped.

- My price range is around 700 - 900 dollars.

- I already purchased a SSD a while ago, so there needs to be room (?) to put that in, and can be subtracted from the budget.

- My graphics/video card is slightly newer than the rig itself, a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460. It's currently running most modern games pretty well. If it really helps the budget, I can take that out of my old computer and use it in the new build. That said, would anyone recommend an upgrade? Will it be outdated soon?

- I really don't want anything fancy (looks wise). The less lights/bells/whistles the better. A case that's built for ventilation/cooling over looks would be great.

- While I play modern games, I'd also like a computer with good processing power over anything else, as I'm a fan of processor heavy programs/games like Dwarf Fortress (trying to avoid late game FPS death).

- (Edit) Wanted to add, I have no experience with overclocking, but I'm not against the idea if it's safe, and not too complicated.

Any other tips, advice or ideas would be very welcome. Thanks again!




http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHuP Check this one.
it's for 896 USD. with a new 2 gb GTX 650ti and an 1TB new hard drive for other stuff then games. Without GPU and new hard drive you can have it for 681 USD. even below 700 dollars and its a full on p.c for heavy gaming. :D 
if you want your old GPU to be used in that's also better for next year or so.


This is looking really great, except I'd need the pricing in Canadian, and the places I can get them. Now, I definitely need a new HD. Do you really think my current GeForce will manage for another year?

Edit: Also, it might just be 20 dollars, but the old CD/DVD tray from this computer should still work.

Edit 2: Looking through all these suggestions, I've arrived at a few conclusions.

A) I'd prefer an Intel i5 3.4 processor

B) I tend to trust NVIDIA for video/graphics cards.
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October 16, 2013 6:57:06 PM

Slatt said:


Alpha-Black said:
Slatt said:
Hello, this is my first time visiting this website. You all seem very knowledgeable, so I'll reach out.

My current computer is around 5 years old, and a week ago the hard drive failed. I've managed to recover my data, but I feel it's time for an upgrade.

Some facts:

- I've never built a PC before, but I'd love to learn. I'll look up youtube videos and consult experts as needed. The most I've done is installed a new graphics card.

- I live in Toronto, Ontario. I'll buy local, but I'm not afraid to have parts shipped.

- My price range is around 700 - 900 dollars.

- I already purchased a SSD a while ago, so there needs to be room (?) to put that in, and can be subtracted from the budget.

- My graphics/video card is slightly newer than the rig itself, a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460. It's currently running most modern games pretty well. If it really helps the budget, I can take that out of my old computer and use it in the new build. That said, would anyone recommend an upgrade? Will it be outdated soon?

- I really don't want anything fancy (looks wise). The less lights/bells/whistles the better. A case that's built for ventilation/cooling over looks would be great.

- While I play modern games, I'd also like a computer with good processing power over anything else, as I'm a fan of processor heavy programs/games like Dwarf Fortress (trying to avoid late game FPS death).

- (Edit) Wanted to add, I have no experience with overclocking, but I'm not against the idea if it's safe, and not too complicated.

Any other tips, advice or ideas would be very welcome. Thanks again!




http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PHuP Check this one.
it's for 896 USD. with a new 2 gb GTX 650ti and an 1TB new hard drive for other stuff then games. Without GPU and new hard drive you can have it for 681 USD. even below 700 dollars and its a full on p.c for heavy gaming. :D 
if you want your old GPU to be used in that's also better for next year or so.


This is looking really great, except I'd need the pricing in Canadian, and the places I can get them. Now, I definitely need a new HD. Do you really think my current GeForce will manage for another year?

i think yes but don't even think about "Ultra Setting" in new games with old card :D  you can run on medium or (high in few games) with other parts managing like CPU and ram.
Yeah you will need a new HD.
but if you want my suggestion Change your GPU too and be relax while playing games :D 
Canadian prices will be lower then US prices trust me :D 

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October 16, 2013 6:57:31 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $656.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:57 EDT-0400)
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October 16, 2013 7:01:18 PM

smorizio said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $656.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:57 EDT-0400)


This looks really great! I just need to throw in an updated graphics card, and change the CPU to a 3.4GHz, and it should be golden.
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October 16, 2013 7:01:49 PM

smorizio said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $656.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:57 EDT-0400)


Sir with great respect and no offense

Plz focus on
CPU overclock factor i mean (K) factor
motherborad ...its Micro atx....
Volume of ram and bus speed.
guy want gaming rig !
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October 16, 2013 7:03:31 PM

Alpha-Black said:
smorizio said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $656.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:57 EDT-0400)


Sir with great respect and no offense

Plz focus on
CPU overclock factor i mean (K) factor
motherborad ...its Micro atx....
Volume of ram and bus speed.
guy want gaming rig !


Or... not so great. See, this is how little I know about this stuff!
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October 16, 2013 7:05:59 PM

Slatt said:
Alpha-Black said:
smorizio said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $656.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:57 EDT-0400)


Sir with great respect and no offense

Plz focus on
CPU overclock factor i mean (K) factor
motherborad ...its Micro atx....
Volume of ram and bus speed.
guy want gaming rig !


Or... not so great. See, this is how little I know about this stuff!

Let me explain in next post.give me 5 mints to write.:D  will ya?
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October 16, 2013 7:14:23 PM

Slatt said:
Alpha-Black said:
smorizio said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $656.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:57 EDT-0400)


Sir with great respect and no offense

Plz focus on
CPU overclock factor i mean (K) factor
motherborad ...its Micro atx....
Volume of ram and bus speed.
guy want gaming rig !


Or... not so great. See, this is how little I know about this stuff!

CPU i suggested is 4670K its newer and faster then 4570 normal and its overclock able if you need it.
Micro ATX Motherboards are not gaming boards anymore this are business boards.you want data flood and handled well.ASUS can do this and full ATX boards are for heavy gaming and core hungry applications.
RAM is the is the second big factor in gaming volume + better FSB front side bus speed matters alot while gaming.
Case gigabyte sumo Alpha is the one of the best better ventilated cool looking cases now.
PSU of Corsair. there no other better then Making of PSUs now then Corsair in the field. in PSU (Power supply Unit) you need reliability+watts.
let me give you a little info about companies.
1 ASUS
2 Gigabyte
3 Asrock
all other after them.MSI is never my recommendation at all.
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October 16, 2013 7:25:05 PM

to the op i try not to start or make flame war...but there few things that going wrong on the postings. atx min vs atx full size are the same quality if there made from the same vendor. most time the mini may have less sata or usb ports then a full size motherboard. most mini atx made for one gpu there are are full that do sli. on the newer full size atx like asus a and k motherboard they dont do sli there not tested or approved for it most of these low end motherboard the main slot does 16x the other video slot the black slot does 4x. on the k cpu vs non k. and a 3.2 vs 3.4 speed chip. in real life most people dont over clock. if your short on cash buying a slightly slower and locked cpu make more sense and put your build money on more ram or faster gpu.
when you sit down and do your build funds ask yourself how long you want this rig..what you want it do do and the funds you have.
right now nvidia is working on there 800 line of gpu that may drop soon. amd working on there 8000 line and soon intel dropping there haswell refresh.
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October 16, 2013 7:33:14 PM

smorizio said:
to the op i try not to start or make flame war...but there few things that going wrong on the postings. atx min vs atx full size are the same quality if there made from the same vendor. most time the mini may have less sata or usb ports then a full size motherboard. most mini atx made for one gpu there are are full that do sli. on the newer full size atx like asus a and k motherboard they dont do sli there not tested or approved for it most of these low end motherboard the main slot does 16x the other video slot the black slot does 4x. on the k cpu vs non k. and a 3.2 vs 3.4 speed chip. in real life most people dont over clock. if your short on cash buying a slightly slower and locked cpu make more sense and put your build money on more ram or faster gpu.
when you sit down and do your build funds ask yourself how long you want this rig..what you want it do do and the funds you have.
right now nvidia is working on there 800 line of gpu that may drop soon. amd working on there 8000 line and soon intel dropping there haswell refresh.

on ram i'm agreed.
i have ASUS Z87 on and i have 2x SLI GTX 770s working like a charm.
faster GPU is also my suggestion.
800 is not coming in near future that will take year or so.
8000 line of amd is not a point here.
and we are our throwing flames why you feel like that? we are just talking and telling eachother where we think we will take this one to a better solution .:) 

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October 16, 2013 7:40:15 PM

Alpha-Black said:
Slatt said:
Alpha-Black said:
smorizio said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1PI2t/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.75 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Asus Z87M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.07 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($67.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $656.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-16 21:57 EDT-0400)


Sir with great respect and no offense

Plz focus on
CPU overclock factor i mean (K) factor
motherborad ...its Micro atx....
Volume of ram and bus speed.
guy want gaming rig !


Or... not so great. See, this is how little I know about this stuff!

CPU i suggested is 4670K its newer and faster then 4570 normal and its overclock able if you need it.
Micro ATX Motherboards are not gaming boards anymore this are business boards.you want data flood and handled well.ASUS can do this and full ATX boards are for heavy gaming and core hungry applications.
RAM is the is the second big factor in gaming volume + better FSB front side bus speed matters alot while gaming.
Case gigabyte sumo Alpha is the one of the best better ventilated cool looking cases now.
PSU of Corsair. there no other better then Making of PSUs now then Corsair in the field. in PSU (Power supply Unit) you need reliability+watts.
let me give you a little info about companies.
1 ASUS
2 Gigabyte
3 Asrock
all other after them.MSI is never my recommendation at all.


Hey, so, how does this look?

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Slatt/saved/2B8s

Edit: I differed on the tower/case because I liked the look, and reviews for the Antec. The accessibility and ventilation look really good.
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October 16, 2013 7:44:23 PM

cut the ram to 8g and get a faster gpu.
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October 16, 2013 7:55:27 PM

good build there...balanced.
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October 17, 2013 2:36:22 AM

Slatt said:
smorizio said:
cut the ram to 8g and get a faster gpu.


http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Slatt/saved/2B8s

Now? Or do you have a recommendation for a GPU.

Get the faster GPU. all others are fine but i'm concerned about ram after not more then a month you will feel strongly that you have to make it 16 gb.

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October 17, 2013 4:05:01 PM

Thanks for all the help guys! I think I've finished my build:

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Slatt/saved/2B8s

I'm spending a little more, fifty dollars or so, so I won't have to deal with mail-in rebates, buy local, and ship from a single service (DirectCanada).

Unless there's some last minute essential changes, we're ready to go!

But, you guys seem to have some experience with shipping PC parts. I don't.

So, is it worth it to spend another 15, 20, 30 dollars for other ground shipping services, or will the free ground shipping keep my parts safe?

Edit: Alpha-Black, I really don't think I'll be needing more than 8 gigs for now. If I really want to, there's another two slots for the future. Thanks for all the advice though!
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