Will a core i5 be good enough for next gen gaming?

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Just bought this desktop. I built my own pc' for years but this pretty much had what I wanted so I got it.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideacentre-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive/8998157.p?id=1218968344463&skuId=8998157

Going the budget route with the new consoles right around the corner. Was reading this article

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/14/build-a-next-gen-pc/

Seems like I have the right parts minus the gpu. I looked up performance of all this stuff. The gpu is basically a 2gb budget card by todays standards. It runs all current gen games fine. Crysis 3, far cr 3, dota 2, skyrim etc but it's behnd the curve as far as next gen hardware. Suppsedly they are more in line with the hd 7770 and 7870 which are $100-$150 cards right now.

I figure if I put a new graphics card in this 6 months to a year from now i'll be fine?

I'm concerned about the 4 cores in the i5 though. If games are going to use 8 cores the i5 could become obsolete pretty quick? Even though it's running at a higher clock 3ghz vs 1.6. As as pure number crunching potential the i5 is better but not sure...

Last gen I had 360 and ps3 and a core duo which was basically useless for games and I just used for internet browsing watching videos etc.. This pc is nice but internet browsing and watching videos doesn't really take too much. Got a nice monitor with it.

I'm trying to rationalize what i'm doing I guess. Under $1000 budget pc which gives me the benefits of a pc plus having a gaming console all in one. Vs ease of use of consoles and games being optimized for it. Don't need a monitor. Just plug in to TV. Seems like in general a pc needs to be more powerful because you are relying on that vs a game being optimized for the hardware.

Why am I paying more for lesser hardware I guess is the point?
 
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I think your first mistake was buying a computer from bestbuy instead of building one yourself. You will eventually have to scrap that entire computer once you realize that it doesn't have the chops. You can upgrade the GPU but you will probably need to drop a new PSU in it at the same time because more than likely it has some cheap budget one in there currently.

The i5 that is in that system is one of the lower tier budget versions, so you won't get the best performance but it might still be good enough to get decent fps in the upcoming games. If the system had a 3570k or higher i5 you would be golden and wouldn't need to worry about the fact that games are starting to utilize more than 4 cores.

The reason computers are more expensive than consoles for the same performance is because games that are released for pc that were built for console are better optimized for the hardware. This will become less of an issue with the latest consoles because they use the same architecture but will probably still be slightly present, on top of that sony and microsoft sell their consoles at a loss so it does cost more than what you are spending to actually build those consoles.
 
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I know this won't be a popular response but as far as the price of prebuilt vs what i'd actually put in there and price there isn't a huge difference. If I were going to get an i7 it would cost me more regardless. from what I read as far as 4th generation i5's the difference in performance between the 4430 and 3570k is so small you aren't even going to really notice.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/498/Intel_Core_i5_i5-3570K_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-4430.html

the power supply in this set up should be able to handle a better graphics card and one in the $100-200 range which is what id be looking at once this one has run its course which more than likely is soon. the graphics card itself is really more than adequate for last gen but is going to choke on these new games. other than that. 8gb ddr3, 1 terabyte drive is all fine.

Just less work to me. I'm just not sure what my advantage is over getting a console. I'm trying to stay away from them because I don't think they are a huge jump over last gen and are overglorified pc's. I don't have to deal with all the stuff Microsoft throws at you like Kinect and live etc..

The way I see it the i5 4430 and 3570k are the same architecture, same generation processor, and if the 4430 is going to choke so is the 3570k
 
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well that's what i'm concerned with if this will carry me through next gen or if the 4 cores are going to be a problem. everything else should stack up with the next gen. the 4430 i5 as far as brute computational strength is still more powerful than the next gen console processors. if I put a better graphics card in there I should be fine but i'm not sure.
 
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The I5 is still a very good CPU for gaming or anything else. I would recommend the GPU be upgraded. A 7970 or something similar from nVidia would be a good buy. The prices are suppose to be dropping due to the release of the R9 series from AMD. In the future you may upgrade from the I5 to an I7 but you will be good for the mean time. Id also look into an SSD if you have the money. I was a huge console gamer and moved to PC once I saw how much better it was. Also the community is much more friendly for the most part. Something like this is you choose to go AMD would be a great deal http://. This is from the NewEgg US site so depending upon where you are it could change price wise, but you get the general idea.
 
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I think it will work just fine, the intel i5 series has already proven that it out performs the AMD 8 cores on games which utilize the full 8. Take a look at BF4 beta CPU benchmarks.
 
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I think it will work just fine, the intel i5 series has already proven that it out performs the AMD 8 cores on games which utilize the full 8. Take a look at BF4 beta CPU benchmarks.
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Is correct although AMD's CPUs are set up a little different from Intel's. Also burdenbound, our setups are quite similar and I was thinking of getting the same CPU cooler you have. Do you still think its a good buy and do you have any complaints about it?
 
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CPU cooler works great and no problems at all. It is really large though so you need to make sure you have room to mount a 280mm radiator. Since you can't overclock your CPU I would say it's probably a waste of money for you to go with it though. Look at an inexpensive air cooled solution that will fit your case or something like the H60.
 
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I'm running a I5 3570K right now stock on a Z77 board. I have a mid tower case and am dying to get a full tower. The stock Intel Cooler is ok at stock speeds but I cant over clock.
 
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Oh lol I thought you were the original poster of the thread, sorry about that. If you upgrade your case to something that supports it I highly recommend it. Keeps the CPU cool and is nearly silent. Anything over the stock intel CPU cooler will give you much better results and will be a ton more quite.
 
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Nice I'm hoping to get a Corsair 750D sooner or later which I know will support it.
 
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Nice I'm hoping to get a Corsair 750D sooner or later which I know will support it.
 
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