Is this RAM bad for my CPU?

Deus Gladiorum

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No, at around 2133 or 2400 MHz, 1.65 V is more tolerated, and should be tolerated by an i5-4670k. However, that still means its longevity will be reduced (though by how much I am not sure). Anyway, it's more important to have better quality RAM at a lower clock speed anyway, as the difference in performance (apparently) becomes more negligible the higher you go from 1333 MHz.

This is some good 1866 RAM with good CAS latency. Due to the difference in CAS latency, it should be perform (roughly) about the same as the RAM you mentioned. Just remember, when selecting RAM, voltage and frequency are only 2/3rds of the story. You want to look out for latency timings as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231455&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
 

funny story because that was the RAM I had to my cart before until someone recommended this one
 

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im not totally sure so wait for the other guy as he knows more than me about ram
 


I know he knows more because he has the badge but still.....if im paying 95$ and haswell will make it 1.5v than whats the point? I just want to know if the other g.skill that you saw in the other post is good for gaming and all...
 

Deus Gladiorum

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Well, it won't harm any of your components, but it'll just work less efficiently. Basically, the whole reason it's at 1.65 V in the first place is because it can't handle 2400 MHz (or likely 2133 MHz) at 1.5 V, which is why the manufacturers had to increase it to 1.65 V. So by the voltage being reduced to 1.5 V, it'll probably just end up working at a lower efficiency, probably around 1866 MHz, maybe lower.

So basically it's just kind of wasting money to go for the Trident X for that reason, as at 1866 MHz the Ripjaws X is not only cheaper, but it has better latency values at 1866 MHz, though technically I suppose the Trident X might be able to work at a lower latency as well when placed at 1866 MHz. Still, it's just a better bet to go with Ripjaws X overall, though if for whatever reason you do get the Trident X, it won't harm your PC.

By the way, anytime you install RAM into a motherboard, it'll automatically underclock the RAM to 1333 MHz anyway at 1.5 V. To correct this you have to go into the BIOS and quickly change the memory profile. You don't have to do any overclocking, just select a memory profile.
 

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For the record, I have a badge in CPUs, not in RAM. I do know a bit about RAM, but it's not as much when compared to others, but thanks for the vote of confidence haha.

UPDATE: Oh and even badges don't mean much, not low level ones anyway. The "expert" ranking here only means I've been selected as the best answer at least 5 times in one category. I've known plenty of "experts" and even "authorities" to get completely wiped out by the detailed postings of someone without a single badge at all.
 

ok, the then ill get the other G.skill thats 1.5v and 1866 :) Thanks. What do you think of my build BTW? (I will choose u as best answer) But you all were helpful. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1QEE3 PLEASE NOTE that the FANS are red but they didnt have that one in PC partpicker to show you but those fans are the same, but im getting red. AS for the OS and DVD drive i will get a free copy that someone will give me, Windows 8, dvd drive is normal....tell me what you think. Google the GPU in there if you dont know what it is
 

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It's a really solid build overall. It'll game very well, and I'm very familiar with the R9 280X. It doesn't list it here, but GPUs are my forte, and I'm currently working towards a GPU authority badge. Anyway, the whole build is excellent. The only thing I'd say is, the case seems a little overkill on price, and if possible you should try investing in an SSD. Kingston sells some good 128 GB ones, and even their cheapest SSDs are at least 30 times faster (that's not an exaggeration) than a 7200 RPM hard drive. SSD's are great to install your OS and startup programs on for great boot times, and for a couple games with long loading times or a lot of pop ins.
 


Dont i need a full tower case for my build? is this good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352029

or should i just get the Mid tower version for cheaper? Please link me the SSD u are talking about.
 

nvm the XL r2....hows this and will it fit my parts? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352021

But i love that case :(
 

OH WAIT! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231519 THIS :D ITS 1.6V ram! Will haswell still drop it?
 


just incase the g.skill sniper is still bad as 1.6v....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460 :D 1.5v for the same amount of Hhz as the other Gskill thats 1.5v...so which one?

G.skill sniper or ripjaw?
 

Deus Gladiorum

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Mid-towers and full towers only differ in size, not what they're compatible with. Full towers have better airflow (because they're bigger) and (I think) are better if you have a not-so-spacious water cooling unit. Full towers can fit more hardware, but considering the hardware you're getting everything should already fit. The only time compatibility differs between cases of different sizes is if they're different form factors, i.e. Micro-ATX vs ATX (ATX cases can usually accommodate all conventional motherboard form factors, while Micro-ATX cases can only accommodate Micro ATX motherboards and smaller). But that's not a problem, because all the cases you've listed so far are ATX so there's no issue there.

You can get whichever you want, and you can find some full towers that are cheaper than that, and some mid-towers which are more expensive than that. It's not a bad case at all, I was just saying it's overkill because I personally can do with something smaller, much cheaper, and much less devoid of features but that's just me personally. Regardless of which case you choose, everything will work just fine.

As for the SSD, as long as your wallet can handle everything than this will do incredibly well, as it has some of the best price : performance out there:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147192&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

If you want to save a little more, than while this is slower, like I said before it's still at least 30 times faster than a 7200 RPM hard drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Get both an HDD and an SSD. Use your SSD for primary storage (OS, Anti-Virus if you use one, any other start up programs), and your HDD for secondary storage (games, music, videos, photos, other programs, etc.)
 

Hmm... dude i cant really afford an SSD now :/ But i will add an H100i later and the R4 fits that i think...i've seen builds with it. So im sure you missed the rm question. Scroll up, RIPJAW or Sniper? :) Link to both are above. Sniper is right up here, g.skill is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231455 but dude..i think the case is what makes the PC for you because like i say would you like a PS4 in a cardboard box? So the case gives the case its personality...i really want an SSD but anything i can do about it? Because i already passed my budget by 80$ and now im 230$ away...ugh i really need that case ( first of all, what do you think about the 750D?) Secondly.....ugh man i know this is asking for a lot but in PC part picker can you put together a build for me with which ram (of the g.skills ripjaw or sniper) same GPU and CPU and MOBO, HDD,PSU as me..maybe change the Case and add an SSD for like NO MORE than 1250$.
 

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Sorry it took so long to respond. I typed a response yesterday but I guess it never went through. Guess it was a good thing I got kind of suspicious at the silence and decided to check the forum again.

Anyway it's better if you just go for 1.5V, either Ripjaw or Sniper 1866, whichever you prefer in looks. The difference in performance between 1866 an 2133 is near insignificant, especially when you consider the difference in CAS latency between the three pieces of RAM, and 1.5 V is always more reliable.

As for the 750D Obsidian case, I can't say I don't like it. You're right, when it comes to computers and aesthetics, the 4 most important things are your monitor, keyboard, mouse, and case, since those are typically the most visible. I was just saying it seems overkill because I'm personally prefers the utilitarian over the aesthete, and even in a case I prefer something functional and cheap. Looking good is just icing on the cake. But everyone's different. I can appreciate the minimalist style of the case, as well as how much hardware it can fit. If it's your style and you really like it, then I see no problem in spending the extra cash to get it. A warning though, because of that massive window allowing you to look into your case, be prepared to become extremely anal retentive about wiring.

The SSD isn't a big deal. Just pick one up later and reinstall your OS onto it down the road when you can afford it. Your OS won't ask for another license unless you replace your motherboard. I don't have an SSD in my own build, so you'll actually have to look up the step-by-step process of it yourself later, as that's an area I don't know too much about. But it should be similar to any other storage change:
Backup important files > Format HDD > Install OS and startup programs to SSD > Reinstall important files to HDD

 


So funny because i just posted a question saying if i should get the FRACTAL DESIGN DEFINE R4 then get a microsoft Sidewinder X4....do you prefer a fractal R4 WINDOW version that is because it allows me to get a keyboard.
 

Deus Gladiorum

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It looks decent enough, but again, it's really all about opinion. Anyway, here's a build I made for you to afford everything (except an SSD, but you're still around $100 underbudget with this):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($365.91 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.97 @ Mwave)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($139.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Keyboard: Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.85 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1139.67
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-20 11:34 EDT-0400)

Things I changed:
You don't need 750 W. PCPartpicker's wattage calculator (displayed at the top right of a system build) is usually quite accurate, and even with the 620 W PSU I recommended you still have nearly 200 W of headroom. SeaSonic is an incredibly reliable brand, by the way.

I changed out RAM to 1866 Ripjaws X, but feel free to go for 1866 Sniper X (or if you feel strongly about it, 2133, but I still think it's not worth it).

The motherboard. The one you had didn't have any reviews, so just to be on the safe side I chose something that had positive review for it. Roughly the same pricing because of the included combo with the i5-4670k.

Removed case fans. You don't need case fans. You can find good cheap ones later on, but the Obsidian 750D already comes with 2 intake and 1 exhaust fan. That's plenty, and coming from someone with hardware that gets much hotter, in a much smaller, much more cramped case, with only 1 intake fan and 1 exhaust fan, I can tell you it'll be fine.

Added the Microsoft Sidewinder X4, because I know you wanted it.
 


Dont waste your time on me man :( Im hard to convince. You are too nice. I need case fans and i need a 750w psu for future upgrades.

But just a random question, Which do YOU like more? R4 or 750D?
 

Deus Gladiorum

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750D
 


man you're too nice but dont waste your time on me. :( Im hard to convince...i need case fans because i like red lights and i need 750w for future upgrades. Ugh :/ I dont know....as for now, i have the R4, 2 fans and the keyboard but my OCD is KILLING ME! Why is there only one fan in the front?! I can add one but the build will be 15$ more so whats the point if im trying to get more stuff for the same price? anything i could change like i WOULDNT mind a 700w psu...i want a 700W, 80+ Gold FULLY modular PSU and then i would be able to get the fan and we will all be happy
 

this looks good! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-151-118&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo

maybe ill get this (the only reason i would get this is if i would get the Fractal...still thinking
 


WAIT DAMN NO! THE SIDEWINDER ISNT MECHANICAL?! nevermind then! Ill look for a diff keyboard