No BIOS, no POST, no display even with bare minimum plugged in..

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So I built my first PC in 2006 and ever since about 2009 or so, I've had this random problem where when I turn on my computer, the fans all start up (including CPU fan) and my graphics card's fan runs full blast instead of starting fast and then leveling out. I get no POST, I get no display, and I get no clues to fixing it. It used to be that it would just start working if I would wait or if I fiddled with the cords (or banged on it in frustration). Then it was fine for a while.. and by a while I mean years. After the problem started up again, I then I discovered that if I fiddled with the video card (reseated it or even just wiggled it a little), it would fix the problem fairly consistently and I kind of wondered if the video card was touching the case in some way and that was the problem.. that I have since ruled out by removing the motherboard from the case completely. Then I also found that removing a stick of ram would also fix the problem indefinitely. But then on a whim, I decided to put that stick of ram that I had removed back in and it was working fine for a long time. Then I moved to a new room in my house and the first time I tried to boot it, the problem came back again. So I fiddled with it a little and checked to make sure all the cables were tight and everything was fine and I got it to boot up and it worked just as normal. Then I made the mistake of turning it off and ever since then, it's been giving me the same problem. I have tried everything I could think of. The only thing I haven't done is tested the PSU because I am unsure how to do so and I wasn't sure if it was a possibility that the PSU has gone bad.

Today, I removed everything but the bare essentials from the motherboard, and I even just now removed the motherboard from the case and have been starting it up that way by shorting the power pins and the problem hasn't changed. The only thing I kept plugged in was the power and the CPU+fan and even that plus one stick of ram and still nothing. The first time I tried this, it seemed to boot up normally (video card fan speed was normal) but then I turned it off to plug in the HDDs and it's back to square one. I am completely at my wits end with this. I proclaimed it dead some time ago, but the inconsistency and the sheer length of time that I have had this problem intermittently has led me to start trying to figure this thing out again since I can't afford a new system at this time and I don't want to waste this system if there is just some dumb little problem or some little component that I could fix if I could find out what it is.

My next step: I recently removed the CPU heatsink and fan and noticed that the thermal paste is completely dry so I removed it and I'm planning to get some more to replace it, but I don't really think that was the reason it's not been giving me this problem.

Here is my system..

MOBO: ASUS P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI x 16 ATX Intel Motherboard
Video Card: XFX PV-T71G-UDE7 GeForce 7900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card
PSU: Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W ATX12V v2.3 Power Supply
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048
OS: Windows XP

If anyone has any ideas of how I can proceed from here or at least just give me a clue of what is going on, I would be forever in your debt. This has been driving me nuts for years and I have not been able to pinpoint what is going on. Don't get me wrong, I would love to get this system running again, but part of the reason that I want to figure this out is just because I don't know what's going on and I really want to.

By the way, I did read the sticky pertaining to this problem before posting this.
 

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All right, tomorrow I will buy a new CMOS battery and if that doesn't work, try to replace the PSU. I tried testing my PSU with a cheap multimeter and it seemed like it was giving voltage well over what it should be. Like giving over 9v where it should be giving only 5v and giving almost 20v where it should be giving me 12v so maybe that is part of the problem but I can't really tell since my multimeter doesn't show a decimal point so it might not be working properly.

In any case, thank you for your reply. Now I at least know what to do next.
 

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Checking in with an update... I replaced the CMOS battery and nothing has changed thus far. I ordered a new PSU to test and see if it is in the PSU. It should be here in a few days. I will post the results of my test.
 

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Today the new PSU came in. It's the Corsair HX650 (650w) power supply that was on sale on new egg this week. I know it's a little overkill with power but I figured if it turns out not to be the PSU that is the problem, then I will have ordered it for nothing so I ordered a PSU that will work with my new build. Anyways, I plugged it in with everything still out of the case and tried booting it up and I got the same error that I have been getting since day one. I tried with and without video card, I swapped the ram sticks out again, I did swap out the CMOS battery as well and it's still powering up with no POST and no display and with the video card fan running full speed. So I'm officially out of ideas. So I guess that it's almost certain that the motherboard is going bad. If that's the case then I know I will just have to wait until I can build my new system, but I wanted to check in and see if anyone had any other things that I could try before I pronounce my motherboard as dead. I think that I may contact ASUS as well, but since it's a 7 year old motherboard, they probably won't be able to help me out much.
 

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Well, I did that before but I just now did it once again to double check. Everything looks fine to me, no burn marks or signs of melting that I can see. There is a little bit of dust around the edges but other than that it's fine. It did used to run a bit hot but that was mostly because the heatsink would get so much dust in it. A quick blast with canned air and the temp would drop back down. I also remember that the stock fan and heatsink were not very good.
 

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Well I've heard that a CPU going bad is actually really rare. There are maybe one or two ever so slightly bulging caps on the motherboard, but other than that, I don't see anything out of the ordinary, but I don't specifically know exactly what I should be looking for physically.
 

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You are correct that cpus rarely fail, and a couple bulging caps combined with the high voltage readings may point to collatteral damage. I have seen a poor quality psu take out other components due to poor voltage regulation, or when they go up in a cloud of smoke. Look at every cap on your mobo. they are probably the type with the + on their top. this relief makes the top pop up in the center (should be flat) when they fry. Also look for any leakage at the base as well.
Also, did you happen to take voltage readings with the new psu (to see if the old one was putting out too much voltage)?
 

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I did not take any new readings with the new PSU because my voltage meter is really cheap and I don't trust that it's giving me accurate readings. I will absolutely test the old PSU again (with a better voltage meter) before I use it on any other systems. I'll test the new one before it goes into my new build as well, I don't want the same thing to happen again, though I believe that I have bought a higher quality PSU this time around.

By the way, is there no way to replace popped capacitors? I feel frustrated that I can't fix it because I don't understand it.
 

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Smart move buying a higher quality psu this time around. People tend to give little consideration to the quality of psu they put in their systems. In all actuallity, it is one of the most critical but less glamorous components in your system. It amazes me that people invest in top of the line cpu/gpu/mb/memory and storage, and then cheap out on the psu (the only component that can destroy every other component in your system).
As for replacing bad caps on a mb, I am not sure. I have unsoldered and replaced capacitors and resistors on single and double layer circuit boards and speaker cross-overs, but motherboards are multi-layer. Search on youtube for a DIY video on this. I'm sure if it can be done, someone has posted a how-to video.