Looking to build a gaming PC around $1000

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Hey all, I am looking to build a gaming PC (for the most part) from scratch in the $1000 range. My current PC has two GTX 460's in it; if possible, I would like to use them in the new build. However, if they are a little too aged then I am willing to buy something new. Also, I already have a hard drive, a monitor or two, a keyboard and mouse, and a Windows 7 OS. I am wanting a SSD.

In the new build, I am really looking for good airflow and temperature control. I am new to overclocking, but I will probably experiment with it in the near future.
If possible, I would like to have a decent-sized case, I travel often, so nothing too huge if it can be helped.
So, like I said, this is pretty much from scratch, aside from the GPU (unless I need an upgrade), HDD, monitor, keyboard, mouse, and OS.

CPU: ?
CPU Cooler: ?
Motherboard: ?
Memory: ?
Storage (SSD): ?
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 460 x2 (willing to upgrade if necessary)
Case: ?
Power Supply: ?
Optical Drive: ?

I would appreciate any help you guys can give me in building this PC!
 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($187.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.24 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($162.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($303.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($147.46 @ TigerDirect)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1286.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-21 19:00 EDT-0400)

I think that this is the best build you could go for. This is my build exactly minus the SSD and the water cooling and I can tell you it performs fantastic. I run a 144Hz monitor and on medium settings BF3 I never get drops below 120, on Ultra I get around 90 but I prefer performance over visuals. All these parts would be great and you could crossfire down the line, this should last you AT LEAST 5 years.

EDIT: Did you change the budget to $1000? I swear I saw it said $1300, I can change stuff if you'd like.
 

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That build looks really good, and lasting me at least five years makes it even more awesome!
My budget did not change; it was around $1000 from the start. What would I be losing though, if that build were to be brought closer to the budget?
 

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I could probably change to air cooling (Hyper 212 is what I run and it's fantastic), you can get a decent overclock and air cooling is by no means bad, water cooling is for very heavy overclocks. I could probably change the SSD to 128GB and the power supply a bit down if you don't plan on crossfiring. But it's up to you, tell me what you value the most and I'll adjust the budget accordingly.
 

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I would recommend that you stick with the GTX 460's, but the only quarrel I have with them is that they only have 1GB of VRAM, this will seriously hold you back in almost all modern day games and prior to the common misconception, VRAM does not stack up, if you have 2x1GB cards it does not equal 2GB of VRAM. Games like BF4 recommend 3GB VRAM which is how much the 280x has.

 

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Okay, I might just go with the Hyper 212 then, because I am new to overclocking, and if I even end up doing it, I probably won't go too heavy with it.

Could you explain to me the benefits of crossfiring? I am pretty new to dual-gpu; I hardly even understand the benefits of having my two cards running in SLI.
Also, what are the advantages of the Radeon cards compared to the GeForce cards?

I just really want something that is sturdy, dependable, and will last me a while. The last thing I want is something getting too hot, but I would also like something that is on the quiet side. I want a high-quality case; that is something I do not want to go cheap on. I believe as far as power goes, the build you shared with me pretty much has that covered.



Alright, I will make sure to look into that.
 

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Alright well if you have any more questions, feel free to ask me.

 

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Okay, I have some gpu questions.
Could you explain to me the benefits of crossfiring? I am pretty new to dual-gpu; I hardly even understand the benefits of having my two cards running in SLI.

I have dual monitors, is there anything I need to worry about if I happen to crossfire?

Also, what are the advantages of the Radeon cards compared to the GeForce cards?
 

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Alright I'll answer them in order.

1. I would assume that you know after owning SLI 460's what SLIing is. Crossfiring is simply AMD's version of SLI, the advantages are almost double the performance of one card

2. So almost all issues with micro stuttering (All frames not being delivered to monitor) have been almost completely resolved on singular monitors. Dual monitors still have a bit of an issue with crossfire/SLI but it shouldn't be very noticeable, you can look around on forums for this one as I do not own a dual monitor setup nor crossfire cards

NOTE: They are working on fixing dual monitor micro stuttering and you should see improvements with new drivers

3. This is a tricky one, I've sided on AMD for their GPU's simply because they have better price to performance ratio. Take the 7970 vs the GTX 680 for instance, up until about a month ago the GTX 680 costed about $550 (Even with the release of the more powerful 770 which costs $400 and is more powerful than the 680), the 7970 on the other hand which outperformed the GTX 680 in a lot of games, was and still is $300 and it comes with a game bundle valued at $100 (Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Far Cry 3, etc.)

Nvidia does have a few extra technologies such as PhysX which is an advanced particle processor that's built on the card, only games like Borderlands 2, ARMA 3, and Rising Storm take advantage of this and even with an AMD card you can still install PhysX but it runs off of the CPU.

People also claim that Nvidia has better drivers which while that may have been true a while ago, it is highly debatable at this point in time and I have no issues with drivers on my 280x what so ever.

Again, feel free to ask any more questions. Also, if you would like to opt out of a dual monitor setup and move to a 144Hz monitor where you would really be taking advantage of that 280x, these are two models that are very well known in the gaming community and recommended and used by professional counter strike players:

One I own: http://www.amazon.com/VG248QE-24-Inch-Screen-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382405617&sr=8-1&keywords=vg248qe

Another High Quality One: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014350

Previous GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202008

This is the 7970 that I was talking about above, the 280x is a rebadged version of the 7970 GhZ edition which is an overclocked version of the 7970. Take a look at the game bundle that the 7970 comes with, if you think that you would play all the games they list I would say go for the 7970 as the performance difference with the 280x is only 6% (Will change with upcoming drivers for 280x)


 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.24 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.00 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($303.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($147.46 @ TigerDirect)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1134.63
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-21 21:52 EDT-0400)

I made price cuts that will deliver you almost identical performance just without as many bells and whistles. I can cut it down to lower but you will start to see some significant performance drops.

NOTE: This is now officially my computer exactly without the SSD, all the parts listed here are quality with high overclock-ability potential, even after hours of intensive gaming this computer stays dead silent.
 
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I dont like none of those monitors for those prices. They both are limited to 1920x1024 resolution. I have a similar rig, just different manufacturers. Except Im still holding out on my 280x, to see how much a 290(non x) will cost. Then for AMD to add on the never settle game bundles.
But given the specs. I plan totally on doing 2560x1600 gaming in non multiplayer titles, then maybe for some multiplayer titles.

Maybe something to think about for the OP.

Then instead of RMA my case which is the same as listed "the front panel came broken, all supports for it were shattered and 2 were inside the case" I decided to contact Fractual as the yellow card inside the box said. Well that was Thursday night..... It is now Tuesday morning with no word what so ever. I really like the case, but feeling real "Bleh" about their customer service so far.

If I have to RMA this case and eat the shipping costs. Then I will be returning it and buying a 550d... The panel being broke was not from shipping. The box is in very good condition. Im 99% sure this happened on Fractuals end.

The build looks very solid though. Guess I would agree since its basically what I have lol.
 

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I believe this is pretty much what I want, my only questions remaining are about the case. Is the Define R4 exactly what I need, or are there other cases I can check out? I might be able to spend a little more on the case, if there is something else out there but it costs a little more. Can I only get a mid case? I am not 100% sure on what specs I need to look for, otherwise I would already be searching.

 

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Yes of course, that card is much better cooled and has far more overclocking capabilities than the 280x, it's the best 280x card you can get but it's $60 more.

 

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Yes of course, that card is much better cooled and has far more overclocking capabilities than the 280x, it's the best 280x card you can get but it's $60 more.

 

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I can't tell you how much that I would recommend the Define R4. It has noise dampening foam in it so the computer stays quiet even after hours of gaming. It has tons of room for expand ability in it, you can fit another graphics card, hard drive, water cooling, you name it in there. You could always go for a more expensive corsair case but I can't stress enough how good this one is.
 

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Also, if you think I did a good job at helping you, if you would like to choose my answer as best solution it would help me out greatly! Just private message me if you have any extra questions I didn't cover!

 

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Okay, I just want to say thank you, I appreciate you helping me put together a new build.
I am trying to use the private message feature but I keep coming up with a 404 error; perhaps if I wait it out I will be able to access it.
 

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Anytime man glad I could help. I'd suggest just waiting out the 404 error or trying to restart your internet if you need to PM me. Also, I posted an in depth overview of my build and why I chose all the parts (My build is the exact same as yours minus the SSD) on the pcpartpicker website. There's a lot of writing on there, the benchmarks are on the bottom and the middle is performance and reasons for choosing each part.

http://pcpartpicker.com/b/GVC

 

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My post in there says that they are 144Hz monitors which is why they are so expensive. 144Hz monitors do not come over 1080p but they can display up to 144 FPS in games so you aim better and the game is smooth as butter. As someone who owns a 144Hz monitor, I can tell you I will never be going back to 60Hz, 60 FPS looks very choppy after you've been using a 144Hz for even a week, the price difference is most definitely worth it.

 

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Thank you, I checked out the link you posted.
At the risk of sounding impatient, I am just going to go ahead and ask my final questions in the thread, because I am still receiving the 404 error even though I have accessed this site from several different connections.

I see that the case comes with two 140mm fans; is that all I will need, or should I order more?
Would you recommend getting a fan controller?
Since I am ordering a CPU cooler, I should get thermal paste, right?
Are there any other accessories or parts I should consider before ordering the parts for my build?