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October 21, 2013 4:18:45 PM

So yeah, I plan on building a gaming pc with these specs:
8gb ram
1tb hard drive
Amd fx6300
Motherboard- ???
Psu OCZ 600sxs 600w
Amd radeon 7850 2gb

However I stumbled upon this bundle on amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00FAM5R42/ref=pd_aw_sb...
Everything looks great, but I don't have a great feeling about it, anyway, is someone we're to help me out by saying how a pc with that ram, motherboard, CPU and 7850 2gb would run bf4bitd be appreciated. I saw that the 6300 is a really good CPU, but there's something about the bundle being too good to be true, if you see what I mean. So to reiterate:
8gb ram
1tb hard drive
Fx 6300
M5a78l
Gigabyte 2gb 7850
600w psu
How would you expect this system to run battlefield 4, is the reason it's so cheap due to the motherboard being awful? Would I be risking botllenecking other components? Finally, if someone could tell me if you think this is good value for money it'd be appreciated. A reply ASAP would be great.
October 21, 2013 4:23:02 PM

The bundle is fine. the motherboard is low end so do not expect to do any overclocking, but it will work just fine. The motherboard does not affect game performance at all.

An hd7850 will run BF4 at medium more than likely.
October 21, 2013 4:25:32 PM

That does seem like a ridiculous deal...it's an older motherboard (which is probably part of the price), but Asus makes quality stuff, it'll last. i'd go for that, you can always change out the mobo later, but it's a great place to start :) 
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October 21, 2013 4:40:54 PM

Jaxem said:
That does seem like a ridiculous deal...it's an older motherboard (which is probably part of the price), but Asus makes quality stuff, it'll last. i'd go for that, you can always change out the mobo later, but it's a great place to start :) 


Hmm, just a tad weary of it. I don't want to get this system and find out that the motherboard needs replacing if I want to play games like bf4 on ultra. Also how do you mean it won't affect the performance? Motherboards is really not my area of expertise, so I have no clue. Is this motherboard really that old? Should it be able to last 3 years without having to be replaced? Also if I were to add a nvidea gtx 660 to instead of the 7850, would the motherboard bottleneck it or would it really not matter too much? Wouk I be able to run it @ decent fps on ultra.
October 21, 2013 4:43:46 PM

it doesn't really affect performance in the fact that it will relay information between all the components just as well/fast as newer board, you aren't getting some of the newer features (USB 3.0 and such), but this board won't bottleneck anything, you shouldn't have to replace it for as long as you have the cpu.
October 21, 2013 4:53:13 PM

Jaxem said:
it doesn't really affect performance in the fact that it will relay information between all the components just as well/fast as newer board, you aren't getting some of the newer features (USB 3.0 and such), but this board won't bottleneck anything, you shouldn't have to replace it for as long as you have the cpu.

I'm sure that motherboard has USB 3.0, it says it has USB 3 in the description. However my main concern is whether or not it has enough slots for a mouse, keyboard and headset to be plugged in simultaneously. Also, does it have an audio jack thingy ahaha for me to plug in my headset, it's a USB and audio jack headset

October 21, 2013 4:58:30 PM

It's got at least 6 usb ports (not including the front ports you'll probably have hooked up) which will be plenty. It's got audio jacks on the back, and has the correct header to plug in front panel audio, which will probably be where you're plugging in your headset, should be all you need :) 
October 21, 2013 4:58:44 PM

Yes it will have plenty of USB ports. Not to worry. It will have audio ports for your headset too. ALL motherboards have these things. Also, the motherboard will not hold you back in any way at all. It DOES NOT affect game performance at all. The ONLY things that affect it are CPU and GPU, and ram to a VERY less extent. Your GPU is the bottleneck here. It will only run BF4 on medium.
October 21, 2013 5:04:34 PM

tiny voices said:
Yes it will have plenty of USB ports. Not to worry. It will have audio ports for your headset too. ALL motherboards have these things. Also, the motherboard will not hold you back in any way at all. It DOES NOT affect game performance at all. The ONLY things that affect it are CPU and GPU, and ram to a VERY less extent. Your GPU is the bottleneck here. It will only run BF4 on medium.


Yeah, I understand, I have been informed that this card can run it on high at 50 fps and this had video evidence as well. However, seeing that I have now saved a fair bit of money, I can stretch my legs and get a much better card. Also, would you recommend I just buy these parts separately, or is this definitely cheaper as a bundle?
October 21, 2013 5:07:44 PM

It is a good deal. You m,ay be able to save 15 pounds buying separately but that would be about it. Also, 50fps is not what you think it is. Unless you are playing locked at 60fps, you will have lag spikes and fluctuating FPS all over the place. You will quickly find yourself lowering the settings to medium to play it smoothly. Also was this 50fps at 1080p?
October 21, 2013 5:08:22 PM

Whatisgoingonherethen said:
tiny voices said:
Yes it will have plenty of USB ports. Not to worry. It will have audio ports for your headset too. ALL motherboards have these things. Also, the motherboard will not hold you back in any way at all. It DOES NOT affect game performance at all. The ONLY things that affect it are CPU and GPU, and ram to a VERY less extent. Your GPU is the bottleneck here. It will only run BF4 on medium.


Yeah, I understand, I have been informed that this card can run it on high at 50 fps and this had video evidence as well. However, seeing that I have now saved a fair bit of money, I can stretch my legs and get a much better card. Also, would you recommend I just buy these parts separately, or is this definitely cheaper as a bundle?


That bundle seems to be a good savings over what you'll get them for individually.
October 21, 2013 5:08:39 PM

Jaxem said:
It's got at least 6 usb ports (not including the front ports you'll probably have hooked up) which will be plenty. It's got audio jacks on the back, and has the correct header to plug in front panel audio, which will probably be where you're plugging in your headset, should be all you need :) 


Awesome, you've been a great help, however one last thing.
Should I buy these components separately or is it cheaper as a bundle?
Also what is the best graphics card I can get on this system, I read that some hours need 115w or something like that from the motherboard, whereas this only offers 95w. So what's the best gpu I can get without
A. The CPU bottle necking its performance
B. the motherboard can supply power to

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October 21, 2013 5:09:58 PM
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A. The CPU will not bottleneck the GPU. It wouldn't bottleneck anything up to a gtx770 or hd7970.
B. It will be fine. Do not worry.
October 21, 2013 5:10:41 PM

tiny voices said:
It is a good deal. You m,ay be able to save 15 pounds buying separately but that would be about it. Also, 50fps is not what you think it is. Unless you are playing locked at 60fps, you will have lag spikes and fluctuating FPS all over the place. You will quickly find yourself lowering the settings to medium to play it smoothly. Also was this 50fps at 1080p?


I think so, if you open up youtube in a tab and type battlefield 4 on 7850 2gb, I see people running high, and I think I saw a guy running ultra.
October 21, 2013 5:15:43 PM

tiny voices said:
A. The CPU will not bottleneck the GPU. It wouldn't bottleneck anything up to a gtx770 or hd7970.
B. It will be fine. Do not worry.


Awesome, so now for the gpu round. What gpu would you guys recommend that could run bf4 on ultra at 45 fps plus. Bare in mind that my budget is £450-£205 o the motherboard CPU and ram which means I have £250 for windows 7 a 1tb hard drive and gpu. I can go up to £490 if necessary but no higher than £500 unless really necessary
October 21, 2013 5:15:44 PM

tiny voices said:
A. The CPU will not bottleneck the GPU. It wouldn't bottleneck anything up to a gtx770 or hd7970.
B. It will be fine. Do not worry.


Awesome, so now for the gpu round. What gpu would you guys recommend that could run bf4 on ultra at 45 fps plus. Bare in mind that my budget is £450-£205 o the motherboard CPU and ram which means I have £250 for windows 7 a 1tb hard drive and gpu. I can go up to £490 if necessary but no higher than £500 unless really necessary
October 21, 2013 5:16:31 PM

It seems as though those people are managing 40-50fps. BUT you can clearly see slow downs and lag spikes. With no AA or after effects/ particles, you should manage high settings around 50fps, but honestly I would rather pay at medium locked at 60fps.
October 21, 2013 5:19:16 PM

Bump up to an hd7870. It will not likely play ultra at 60fps but 45fps MAYBE. don't forget most people do not consider 45fps to be comfortably playable. You will be much happier at high locked at 60fps.
October 21, 2013 5:22:08 PM

tiny voices said:
It seems as though those people are managing 40-50fps. BUT you can clearly see slow downs and lag spikes. With no AA or after effects/ particles, you should manage high settings around 50fps, but honestly I would rather pay at medium locked at 60fps.


I see your point, but do you know of any cards which would be compatible with this pc, supported by the power supply and can run bf4 smoothly on ultra? I will be getting this for Christmas possible earlier so I will just wait for the benchmarks when the full game is released I you can't get back to me :) 
October 21, 2013 5:24:17 PM

tiny voices said:
Bump up to an hd7870. It will not likely play ultra at 60fps but 45fps MAYBE. don't forget most people do not consider 45fps to be comfortably playable. You will be much happier at high locked at 60fps.


Aha, this may sound a bit unorthodox, but the reason I want it to run bf4 on ultra is to make sure it is future proof and will last, and hey, what's a better test than that apart from bf4 ultra, I know it's weird but should be a correlation?
October 21, 2013 5:35:04 PM

There is no such thing as future proof. You might have a super expensive powerful computer that maxes everything and all of a sudden a game comes out in 7 months that brings it to its knees. Similar to crysis 1 coming out a few years back. Even people with amazing computers had trouble.

An hd7870 will play games at high setting for quite a while to come.
October 22, 2013 1:30:18 AM

tiny voices said:
There is no such thing as future proof. You might have a super expensive powerful computer that maxes everything and all of a sudden a game comes out in 7 months that brings it to its knees. Similar to crysis 1 coming out a few years back. Even people with amazing computers had trouble.

An hd7870 will play games at high setting for quite a while to come.

would you recommend a better gpu if I want it to last or is the 7850 enough
October 22, 2013 1:35:01 AM

depends on your 'enough', over time you'd probably need to dial the settings down a bit with the games just coming out, but with a lot of them anymore people can't really see much difference from High to Very High or Ultra...I'd stretch the budget as much as your conscience or wife will let you, then ride out whatever you buy until you can't play anymore without crying :) 
October 22, 2013 1:54:00 AM

Jaxem said:
depends on your 'enough', over time you'd probably need to dial the settings down a bit with the games just coming out, but with a lot of them anymore people can't really see much difference from High to Very High or Ultra...I'd stretch the budget as much as your conscience or wife will let you, then ride out whatever you buy until you can't play anymore without crying :) 


ahaha, thanks, what would you recommend as an upgrade from the 7870 then? ahha, and no, I don't have a wife yet! xD I am only 15 ahaha. But any help would be appreciated thanks!
October 22, 2013 4:49:48 AM

An upgrade from the 7870 would be an hd7950 or a gtx760. These are what you want.
October 22, 2013 8:54:08 AM

7950's are such a deal anymore that I can't not recommend one. Affordable (relatively), yet very powerful,and they have lots over clocking ability.
October 22, 2013 9:07:50 AM

Jaxem said:
7950's are such a deal anymore that I can't not recommend one. Affordable (relatively), yet very powerful,and they have lots over clocking ability.


Okay, but will the motherboard allow for overclocking, someone earlier told me the motherboard wont be able to overclock the cpu or gpu!

Also, just put up a queston about 7870 2gb vs 7950, some help would be great, thanks!
October 22, 2013 9:50:42 AM

Overclocking a video card is different from overclocking a CPU, it doesn't really depend on the motherboard because it has it's own VRM's and gets its own power from the PSU, so you'd be fine to do that, the cpu you won't be able to overclock very much, but you shouldn't need to.
October 22, 2013 10:11:08 AM

Jaxem said:
Overclocking a video card is different from overclocking a CPU, it doesn't really depend on the motherboard because it has it's own VRM's and gets its own power from the PSU, so you'd be fine to do that, the cpu you won't be able to overclock very much, but you shouldn't need to.


Okay, just put up a thread aout 7870 vs 7950 and got this reply about my system:
irst of all.. that motherboard is seriously outdated!
using an old chipset.... i dont even think it will support the fx series without flashing bios first

get the Asus m5a97 mobo

second, the fx6300 is the same as the 6350, so either drop down to the 6300 or add $20 and go up to the 8320

also, if you only have 1 stick of RAM, it will operate in only single channel....

is the 7950 worth it? well, if essentially teh same card but with more memory... so if you're only gaming at 1080p, then you will not need it.
BF4 is like the first game to really use 2gb of video memory... and at 1080p it's using almost exactly 2gb based on early beta reviews.

as far as what FPS to get... that ENTIRELY depends on the game.
at BF4, you'll be looking at playing on medium 60fps.

Is this true, if it is I will just get the items sepertaley but a different motherboard and cpu, help?!
October 22, 2013 10:20:08 AM

There's nothing wrong with the motherboard, it may well need a bios update for the CPU (which necessitates the momentary use of an older processor), but it will work just fine. Your ram will only run at single channel speeds...which aren't much slower than dual channel speeds, so take that for what it's worth. They don't seem to grasp much about GPU's...the 7950 is in no way the 7870 with more memory. It's a totally different chip with more steam processors, and while you probably won't utilize 3GB of vram very often, you will use its ability to pump out more frames. I have games that my 7970 GHz has trouble putting out at 60 fps at 1920x1080...If you're overly concerned, price out the parts separately and see what the cost difference is, see if it's worth a slight performance trade-off for what you'll be saving money wise.
October 22, 2013 10:25:01 AM

Get an fx-6300 or 6350. Both are great options. The 7870 will play bf4 at high not medium. A 7950 will play it at max.
October 22, 2013 10:31:07 AM

Jaxem said:
There's nothing wrong with the motherboard, it may well need a bios update for the CPU (which necessitates the momentary use of an older processor), but it will work just fine. Your ram will only run at single channel speeds...which aren't much slower than dual channel speeds, so take that for what it's worth. They don't seem to grasp much about GPU's...the 7950 is in no way the 7870 with more memory. It's a totally different chip with more steam processors, and while you probably won't utilize 3GB of vram very often, you will use its ability to pump out more frames. I have games that my 7970 GHz has trouble putting out at 60 fps at 1920x1080...If you're overly concerned, price out the parts separately and see what the cost difference is, see if it's worth a slight performance trade-off for what you'll be saving money wise.


Okay, so here is the upgraded system I was thinking of getting:
PSU-http://www.amazon.co.uk/ACE-600W-PSU-12cm-Red/dp/B005FW...
Cost:
£16.00
Motherboard-http://www.amazon.co.uk/M5A97-R2-0-Motherboard-PCI-Expr...
Cost:
£59.00
CPU-http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX8320-Edition-4-0GHz-Socke...
Cost:
£116.86
GPU-http://www.amazon.co.uk/DirectCU-Graphics-Express-Displ...
Cost:
£200


Ram-http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CML8GX3M2A1866C9R-Venge...
Cost:
£65.44

Total without O.S:
£457.3
Total with O.S:
£457.3 + windows 7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Latest-Microsoft-Windows-7-Ho...)
Total ---> £497.3
Total with O.S + hard drive:
£457.3 + windows 7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Latest-Microsoft-Windows-7-Ho...) + 1 tb hard drive (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Massive-1000GB-1TB-SATA-I...)
Total ---> £537.3

would this run bf4 any better than the current system i was thinking of using?
October 22, 2013 10:36:16 AM

There wouldn't be an appreciable difference...though you really don't want to use that power supply.
October 22, 2013 10:41:27 AM

That PSu is 100% TRASH. Antec, XFX, Corsair, Seasonic ONLY.
October 22, 2013 10:47:41 AM

Jaxem said:
There wouldn't be an appreciable difference...though you really don't want to use that power supply.


PSU- Cost: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004RJ8EKI/?tag=pcp0f-21
£53.74
Motherboard-http://www.amazon.co.uk/M5A97-R2-0-Motherboard-PCI-Expr...
Cost:
£59.00
CPU-http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX8320-Edition-4-0GHz-Socke...
Cost:
£116.86
GPU-http://www.amazon.co.uk/DirectCU-Graphics-Express-Displ...
Cost:
£200
Ram- http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008LTJJI6/?tag=pcp0f-21
Cost:
£54.20

Total without O.S:
£483.6
Total with O.S:
£483.6 + windows 7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Latest-Microsoft-Windows-7-Ho...)
Total ---> £523.60
Total with O.S + hard drive:
£523.60 + windows 7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Latest-Microsoft-Windows-7-Ho...) + 1 tb hard drive (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Massive-1000GB-1TB-SATA-I...)
Total ---> £563.60


Would this be any better at gaming than the previous system with:
M5a78l
amd radeon 3gb 7950
1tb hard drive
amd fx6350
8gb ram
windows 7 64 bit professional
which all would of come to £480

so is the £563 pc worth it? Or should I just stick with the £480 build but get a different motherboard
!