Sons Computer build Gift 4000 dollar budget

nfe789

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Hello,

My son is big in to computers. He does a lot of crazy stuff.

He edits youtube videos on Sony vegas, does a thing where other people can watch him play games, he calls himself a "twitcher" (Kids these days, I called it chokin the chicken) He does a lot of graphic design on photoshop, he also attends conventions where they show off computers and acts like he is in a strip club. He has mentioned a 100 times over how he wish he could show off a "Computer that mated with Optimus Prime" (I think that is how he put it.)

I use to game a lot back in day, I have my PC I bought, It runs most games on high or Medium which I am perfectly fine with, I can see in a year or two Ill be running it on low, But i prefer gameplay over shiny stuff. (I played Ultima and everquest back in the day, back when EQ had a subscription)

I always hear him saying "This is taking forever to render" or "wtf why do I even do this"

I asked him what he would need to do things comfortably, he said he it was a 3500 hundred dollar question and wasn't going to bother

In any case, He is about to graduate collage (most kids want a car, but he has a nice car thanks to his mother divorcing me) So I want to reward him with a nice computer that he can use to push his limits in his video editing, photoshop and his gaming.

Im not totally computer illiterate, I can put it together, I just cant do the Bios, I have a friend that can do that.

So the limit is 4000, I know and understand that I do not need to spend that much, I am basing this off http://www.logicalincrements.com/#importantInfoToggle

His monitor is old, its one of those old DELL Monitors that comes with said PC
His mouse and keyboard is Stock with his current PC.

So I want to get him new peripherals as well, with this 4000.

Now, On that link, at the bottom is the Monstrous build.

These are my concerns and wants.

--Will he beable to play the next years games on ultra while doing his twitcher thing
Within the next year games coming out, will he have to do minimal upgrades to keep up on top of the line gear

--Will he beable to run 2 or 3 monitor?

--Will there be an over heating problem?

Any left over money I will give to him as part of the gift. Now if the computer must go over 4 grand I would consider it.

Thank you again, I was referred to this site by a coworker that told me you guys Know it all when it comes to PC, he also referred me to that link I posted above.


 

Jaxem

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That's a pretty decent budget there, he's lucky to have someone willing to give so much to further his interest and help him have fun. Here's what i would do with 4k for a PC budget:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($313.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($232.97 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($125.74 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card ($995.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($94.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition ATX Full Tower Case ($239.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - OEM (64-bit) ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($549.98 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($74.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013 Wired Optical Mouse ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA-3602 30W 2.1ch Speakers ($42.84 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $3677.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-23 01:56 EDT-0400)
 

g-unit1111

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$3500? You don't need to spend that much to get a solid gaming rig. You can get one for $2,000 and have enough left over to get OS license, a nice keyboard and mouse, and a wide format or ultra high res monitor. And you certainly don't need a $400 motherboard, that's absurd.

Do something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.93 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone FT02S-USB3.0 ATX Mid Tower Case ($229.00 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE90 V2 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($198.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2086.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-23 01:58 EDT-0400)

- The Silverstone FT02 has a nice unibody construction for a high end look to it
- Dual GTX 770 is the best you can get for the price
- Super Flower quality PSU
 
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1S9g6
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1S9g6/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1S9g6/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($529.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme EATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($416.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($184.08 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($174.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.98 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 820 (Grey) ATX Full Tower Case ($184.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 1200W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($257.49 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2001.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-23 01:59 EDT-0400)
 
Ok. I would just buy the parts and let him assemble it, in case he want to return some parts for others.
I'm going to tell you what you might want to get for a next gen monster :
1. A Beast CPU
2. A Beast GPU (Nvidia Titan $1000)
3. A 4k resolution monitor (2x HD) (5600x2160)
Cheapest 30 inch monitor is around $800-$1000
4. PCIe SSD (speeds are 2x faster than regular ssd)
5. 2 x 8Gb ram (2000MHz+)
6. 1000Watt PSU
7. Money for him to buy his own case, mobo and cooling system. Because if he wants to show it off, he has to choose the color of his MoBo, Case and LED fans and cooling equipment.

Here's what I came up with. Slightly exceeds ur cap. This can be downsized a bit http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1S9vs
 

nfe789

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I am seeing this, and I am digging it.

How do you feel this build would do? This is without a monitor or any peripherals but I feel like I can swing the periphs in the budget

GPU -- 2x GTX Titans
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Dual-Link-Graphics-06G-P4-2790-KR/dp/B00BIUKH04/?tag=logicaincrem-20

HSF -- Silver Arrow
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Silver-Arrow-SB-E-Extreme/dp/B009ARE2YE/?tag=logicaincrem-20

CPU -- i7 4960X
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-4960X-Extreme-Processors-BX80633I74960X/dp/B00EMHM6JK/?tag=logicaincrem-20

MOBO -- Rampage IV Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0

32GB Ram
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-240-Pin-BLS4CP8G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B007HAXMGA?tag=logicaincrem-20

2 TB HDD
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST2000DM001/dp/B00684JGWK/?tag=logicaincrem-20

256 SSD
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-2-5-Inch-Solid-MZ-7PD256BW/dp/B009NB8WRU/?tag=logicaincrem-20

Seasonic Platinum 1000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151105&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0

Cosmos II
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1759001&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&utm_source=Linkshare&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=tCdAnHNE6xQ&AffiliateID=tCdAnHNE6xQ-wWqOhNnW1u6nIMonz3wH7A

That comes to a total of 4868... Not going to lie here, id like to stess test this.

Or

GPU -- EVGA GeForce GTX780 x2
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Dual-Link-Graphics-03G-P4-2781-KR/dp/B00CUIVTCS/?tag=logicaincrem-20

CPU -- i7 4960X
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-4960X-Extreme-Processors-BX80633I74960X/dp/B00EMHM6JK/?tag=logicaincrem-20

HSF -- Noctua NH-D14 SE2011
http://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-D14-SE2011-Heatpipes-Bearing/dp/B00631QFG8/?tag=logicaincrem-20

MOBO -- GIGABYTE GA-X79-UP4 LGA 2011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128562&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0

RAM -- Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB Kit (8GBx2)
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-240-Pin-BLS2CP8G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006YG9EEW/?tag=logicaincrem-20

2 TB HDD
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST2000DM001/dp/B00684JGWK/?tag=logicaincrem-20

256 SSD
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-2-5-Inch-Solid-MZ-7PD256BW/dp/B009NB8WRU/?tag=logicaincrem-20

PSU -- Seasonic Platinum 1000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151105&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0

CASE -- Silverstone Tek TJ07B
http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-TJ07B-W-USB3-0-Aluminum-Tower-USB3-0/dp/B008J0ZODG?tag=logicaincrem-20

which comes to 3649.86

What do you think of these in comparison?
 
in a few weeks nvidia coming out with a titan killer gpu that going to be the same price as the 780 is now it the 780ti that i linked in my first post. I would use two of them as it same you 600 over the titans and it going to be almost as fast. (also there going to use the same metal heatsinks as the titans for bling factor).
http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/61445-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-specifications-revealed/
 

nfe789

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Well. I do not need to get titans, I could go with GTX780 and run two.

I want this to be a power house for him. He is a crazy enthusiast, and I just want to start him off.

Oh I did not mention that I was going to purchase the parts on Friday, rush them and get them on Saturday, and have it going before he gets home on sunday.
 

Jaxem

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Those are both bonkers (in a good way) builds, but they'd be just the sort of thing your son would be looking for i'd think, probably better conponent wise than what i scribbled down, but i was going for super high end everything while keeping it outlandish (your transformer comment) and a good monitor sucked up some of the budget :) Either of those would be great, i'd definitely go with the 6 core intel.
 

nfe789

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I am trying to figure if it is a good build in the aspect that it will not fail, or that the parts are all 5 start products

I notice that the Rampage does not have exceedingly good reviews.

And I am worried, that if I buy this, it will be outdated soon, however, I am sure even with the latest and greatest coming out the computer will be fine with the software that will be coming out this coming year, any comment on that?
 

g-unit1111

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Dual GTX 770 beats a single Titan for $300 less: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_770_sli_review,13.html

I notice that the Rampage does not have exceedingly good reviews.

First off you don't need to spend $400 on a motherboard, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. Second, don't believe what they tell you on Newegg or Tiger Direct, the bad thing with store reviews is that anyone can write them, and a lot of false information about products gets out there from people who just flat out don't know what they are talking about. Read real reviews from sites like this, or don't read any.

I am seeing this, and I am digging it.

On that build, do not purchase a Level 10 - it's a gaudy, overrated, overpriced plastic monstrosity. I like the Silverstone FT02 better in that price range because it has a nice, clean aluminum finish and any build in it will be high end. You also don't need a BD-R burner either - it's getting to the point where you don't even need an optical drive anymore, the days of physical media are coming to an end.
 

nfe789

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Well, My son has a pretty big Bluray collection, again, This budget isnt really a budget, more of this is how much money I have to waste on my kid, I would go over this budget.

Id like the build to last a good while before he even has to think about upgrading, I was reading that games to come may use up to 4 cores.

Also Im thinking running duel GTX 780s Which in comparison to the titan and the new Ti coming out in November, performance difference is minimal - from what I read.

The issue I am running into now, If I go with a 4930k 6 core Most motherboards need a bios update, and I am not 100% if this is easy to update.

I dont know if there is another suggestion for a build, it would be highly appreciated,
 

nfe789

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Noted

The Idea behind getting a 6 core is mainly for Future games, - Most games if not more then 90 percent of all games do not even use 2 cores(according to everyone) . (Reading over a few other forums) the 4770 quad core can for example be overclocked to turn off 2 cores and push more power to two cores to increase performance of said game. though I do not know what overclocking abilities the 6 core has if it would turn off 4 cores to push stupid amounts of power to 2 cores or not. From what I have read, it doesn't really seem that way (again, CPU is a month old, Not sure if that matters) But again, with Developers in gaming industry producing games for the next gen consoles (Which have 8 cores, correct me if I am wrong please.) I can imagine games utilizing more Cores.