Edit: I may have accidentally posted this at the wrong section. Oops. How do you request a move?
Hi Tomshardware,
It's been a very long time since I'm building a new PC, and it's a transitional time in the GPU market, so I need advice. A lot of advice. My habits and usage cases are as follows:
Primary usage: gaming, internet, watching stuff, doing work, etc. That said, while I like ultra graphics settings as much as anyone, I am not a big FPS gamer. CPU power is absolutely essential because I play a lot of Paradox games -- if you don't know what they are, basically they crunch an obscene number of stats to paint pretty maps of armies and things in real time and munch CPU cycles doing it.
- I don't upgrade very often, unless I really need to or something breaks. This buy has a higher time horizon than the typical 2 years upgrade cycle of enthusiasts.
- I never overclock, ever. If you're wondering why I picked the Haswell K, it's because it is basically the same price as the non-K on newegg right now. However, I'm not sure if the $20 markup over the 4570 is worth it. Opinions?
- My last PC was ad-hoc in terms of peripheral qualities (case, PSU -- I wasn't exactly "cheap" on that though -- and motherboard). I want to invest this time in quality and reliability; ergo, Seasonic. Is it worth it to jump $20 or so up to the G series, even?
- I'm an AMD fan, and I know I can save a lot going that route with cheaper AM3+ motherboards, but I need the single-threaded, single-core workload superiority of Intel CPUs (see above).
- SSD non-negotiable. Load times rawr. (Needs to read up on transferring Steam games between drives again...). That said, the 840 is $13 cheaper than the EVO. Is the difference worth it?
- Do want IPS panel. I've only heard a lot about the Dell U23XX series for mainstream eIPS, but this ASUS is going for very cheap. Am I taking a big risk here?
- I've heard newegg sends coupons after purchases. How do you take advantage of that via staggered purchases? Any experiences?
- Is the motherboard choice okay? I have no experience with Intel motherboards. Usage note: no overclocking, no SLI/Crossfire, but USB 3.0 and future-proofing needed. Quality of sound chip irrelevant -- I'm getting the Asus Xonar to be used with the headphone and with the 3rd party driver.
- Win7 to be purchased from, uh, this site (reputable?). I play a lot of old games (viva GOG) with potential incompatibilities, and I have no interest to suffer Modern UI.
- No Microcenter nearby, Frys is around though. Amazon and newegg preferred, though I am willing to try NCIX.
And the big and confusing question: at 1080p resolution, is the graphics card overkill? Which one should I pick? R9 280x or 270x or 7870GHZ or 7970 something or wait for the R9 290 on October 31 to see if it is indeed the "sweet spot" $250 Hawaii card or...argh. Help.
While the $1,500 price tag is definitely no budget-minder, a compromise with minor performance or quality loss at significantly cheaper prices are most welcome. If you think I'm wasting money somewhere stupid, please talk me down. I want the pretties and the speed, and I use my PC a whole lot -- but I'm not awash in money to waste either. This is a big purchase.
Specific parts may change as prices move around, promotions come and go, I wait for replies or procrastinate. Everything is needed for this new computer except keyboard, mouse, speakers (eh, I'll get by), and network adapter.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.51 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.75 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Moar Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.25 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($316.13 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DGX 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($71.30 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($167.48 @ Newegg)
Headphones: JVC HARX700 Headphones
Total: $1382.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-26 00:51 EDT-0400)
Real price ~$1420.00 (not counting unreliable mail-in-rebates) + $70.00 for a Windows 7 Professional from here.
Hi Tomshardware,
It's been a very long time since I'm building a new PC, and it's a transitional time in the GPU market, so I need advice. A lot of advice. My habits and usage cases are as follows:
Primary usage: gaming, internet, watching stuff, doing work, etc. That said, while I like ultra graphics settings as much as anyone, I am not a big FPS gamer. CPU power is absolutely essential because I play a lot of Paradox games -- if you don't know what they are, basically they crunch an obscene number of stats to paint pretty maps of armies and things in real time and munch CPU cycles doing it.
- I don't upgrade very often, unless I really need to or something breaks. This buy has a higher time horizon than the typical 2 years upgrade cycle of enthusiasts.
- I never overclock, ever. If you're wondering why I picked the Haswell K, it's because it is basically the same price as the non-K on newegg right now. However, I'm not sure if the $20 markup over the 4570 is worth it. Opinions?
- My last PC was ad-hoc in terms of peripheral qualities (case, PSU -- I wasn't exactly "cheap" on that though -- and motherboard). I want to invest this time in quality and reliability; ergo, Seasonic. Is it worth it to jump $20 or so up to the G series, even?
- I'm an AMD fan, and I know I can save a lot going that route with cheaper AM3+ motherboards, but I need the single-threaded, single-core workload superiority of Intel CPUs (see above).
- SSD non-negotiable. Load times rawr. (Needs to read up on transferring Steam games between drives again...). That said, the 840 is $13 cheaper than the EVO. Is the difference worth it?
- Do want IPS panel. I've only heard a lot about the Dell U23XX series for mainstream eIPS, but this ASUS is going for very cheap. Am I taking a big risk here?
- I've heard newegg sends coupons after purchases. How do you take advantage of that via staggered purchases? Any experiences?
- Is the motherboard choice okay? I have no experience with Intel motherboards. Usage note: no overclocking, no SLI/Crossfire, but USB 3.0 and future-proofing needed. Quality of sound chip irrelevant -- I'm getting the Asus Xonar to be used with the headphone and with the 3rd party driver.
- Win7 to be purchased from, uh, this site (reputable?). I play a lot of old games (viva GOG) with potential incompatibilities, and I have no interest to suffer Modern UI.
- No Microcenter nearby, Frys is around though. Amazon and newegg preferred, though I am willing to try NCIX.
And the big and confusing question: at 1080p resolution, is the graphics card overkill? Which one should I pick? R9 280x or 270x or 7870GHZ or 7970 something or wait for the R9 290 on October 31 to see if it is indeed the "sweet spot" $250 Hawaii card or...argh. Help.
While the $1,500 price tag is definitely no budget-minder, a compromise with minor performance or quality loss at significantly cheaper prices are most welcome. If you think I'm wasting money somewhere stupid, please talk me down. I want the pretties and the speed, and I use my PC a whole lot -- but I'm not awash in money to waste either. This is a big purchase.
Specific parts may change as prices move around, promotions come and go, I wait for replies or procrastinate. Everything is needed for this new computer except keyboard, mouse, speakers (eh, I'll get by), and network adapter.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.51 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.75 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Moar Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.25 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($316.13 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DGX 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($71.30 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($167.48 @ Newegg)
Headphones: JVC HARX700 Headphones
Total: $1382.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-26 00:51 EDT-0400)
Real price ~$1420.00 (not counting unreliable mail-in-rebates) + $70.00 for a Windows 7 Professional from here.