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Budget Range: $800-$900

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Graphic design (mainly Photoshop), Gaming, movies

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, tiger direct, amazon, ebay

Country: U.S.A

Parts Preferences: no preferences

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: Do not know the difference or what these are.

Monitor Resolution: I'm planning to get two of these monitors: ASUS VS Series VS247H-P 23.
6" so whatever is optimal for these.

Additional Comments: I'm planning to use Microsoft XP as my OS but I don't know if this is a good Idea. Any additional input on my build would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Okay, so this is the build that I would suggest :

+ 4 Core, 8 thread Xeon, awesome CPU for workstation builds.
+ 16GB 1866 Mhz RAM = Ideal for graphics design and Multitasking.
+ 1TB HDD should be enough to store almost anything.
+ Very good quality PSU from Rosewill.
+ Nvidia 760 = Awesome GPU that can take advantage of Adobe products very well, and awesome for gaming.
+ Bitfenix Shinobi Window Case = Very good performing ATX Case for expansion in the future.
+ ATX Size Motherboard for future expansions.
+ Cooler Master Hyper TX3 is enough to keep the CPU cool while being quiet.

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CPU: Intel Xeon...
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XP is not good idea. 32bit supports only 4GB memory.
64bit XP did not work so well. So 7 or 8 (64bit) is now better choice.

Here is cheap 900build.
No OS , CPU is xeon 1230V2 and this is like 3770 ,i7 for price i5
Xeon do not have iGPU so you need video card. It is still cooler than any i5 and do have HT + 8Treads. This means it is really fast.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E3-1230+V2+%40+3.30GHz

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CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($225.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $891.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-26 06:07 EDT-0400)
 
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Okay, so this is the build that I would suggest :

+ 4 Core, 8 thread Xeon, awesome CPU for workstation builds.
+ 16GB 1866 Mhz RAM = Ideal for graphics design and Multitasking.
+ 1TB HDD should be enough to store almost anything.
+ Very good quality PSU from Rosewill.
+ Nvidia 760 = Awesome GPU that can take advantage of Adobe products very well, and awesome for gaming.
+ Bitfenix Shinobi Window Case = Very good performing ATX Case for expansion in the future.
+ ATX Size Motherboard for future expansions.
+ Cooler Master Hyper TX3 is enough to keep the CPU cool while being quiet.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($225.48 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($85.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($111.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($239.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $855.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-26 08:02 EDT-0400)

Note : Do NOT use XP at all. The extended support for XP is ending next year and it is also a very crappy OS as for today's needs.
Get the Windows 7 or Windows 8.1

Another Note : Do not buy the Windows 8, if you buy Windows 8 then you would have to manually update it to Windows 8.1, and which might be a time waste, hence go for the Windows 8.1 and save the hassle of installing two OS back to back.

I hope this helps. Take a look at the build and tell me what you think about it. Your feedback would be highly appreciated.

Have fun :)
 
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Note : Do NOT use XP at all. The extended support for XP is ending next year and it is also a very crappy OS as for today's needs.
Get the Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
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It is best OS windows have made. Only one better was 2000 PRO :D
I did use XP about 10 years and it was stable and worked fine.
Never any issues what so ever. But I did remove there everything I did not need. Never did use any updates from mickey mouse software.
They just did created problems :)

Xeon cpu do not support faster memory than 1600MHz.
16GB is good to have.

1TB is not enough for video editing.

AsRock Z-77 pro 3 do have lots of issues. It is not good. Bad VTM components. Problems with memory. USB ports and other stuff.

You want SSD in this system.

Xeon is good cpu. But it do have slow clock speed. You get better performance if buy K cpu and OC it.

Best platform for Photoshop is still X-79 2011
It is just too expensive for this budget.

GTX 650 Ti boost gives near same performance with photoshop.

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If OPlooks cheap Windows 8 here you have one.
http://www.mydigitallife.info/windows-8-enterprise-official-iso-with-180-days-evaluation-free-download/

And rosewill hive is NOT a quality psu. Cappstone is.
Hive do have only 3 year warranty. Cappstone do have 5

Look this review.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-550M-Power-Supply-Review/1584

cappstone 550w gives over 620w to 100% load. That is really good for 550w psu.

+ Cooler Master Hyper TX3 is enough to keep the CPU cool while being quiet.
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http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Hyper-TX3-G1-CPU-Cooler-Review/1026/6

Coolermaster this is much better.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rrb10212pg1

New good cooler is this.
Raijintek Aidos and Raijintek EreBoss
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Raijintek/Ereboss/
 
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1. Note that I added the word "as for today's needs". I also used Windows XP for all my childhood, but what I am trying to say is that it is not good enough as per today's needs.

2. I don't think an unlocked Xeon CPU has anything to do with VRM. The problems with VRM comes when people try to overclock, but as we know the board is clearly not meant for overclocking.

3. There are no advantages of SSD in photo editing.

4. I don't think 1TB HDD should have any space issues with Photo Editing, he clearly mentioned Photoshop.

5. Anyways he said that he does not want to overclock.

6. But 650 Ti does not give the same performance for gaming, so 760 is still a good option.

7. I am not sure that for an non-overclocking CPU why would one need anything more than CM Hyper TX3. The TX3 should be just fine. It is just for keeping the build noise free. The stock coolers are very noisy.
 
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[quote2. I don't think an unlocked Xeon CPU has anything to do with VRM. The problems with VRM comes when people try to overclock, but as we know the board is clearly not meant for overclocking.][/quote]
No. That is wrong. btw. what is unlocked xeon? They are all locked. "K" cpus are unlocked.

ARM components are that what makes your build (mobo,cpu,memory) last long time or fail fast. It do not matter if you OC or not. Just use fast memory can do that too.

3. There are no advantages of SSD in photo editing.
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This [removed] and you must know this too. Or do you know anything about photo or video editing? I mean real editing? 100-1000 real big RAW photo / day editing?

7. I am not sure that for an non-overclocking CPU why would one need anything more than CM Hyper TX3. The TX3 should be just fine. It is just for keeping the build noise free. The stock coolers are very noisy.
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If better cooler makes your cpu run cooler. Then you can drop fan speeds and make build more silent. Then what are u sure?
If better cooler can be used without any fans with xeon. Is that good or bad? This canbe used with outany fans. In good case.
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-BW-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B008YTUN38

Do you know how hot xeon 1230V2 is when it is under 100% load with original fan?

6. But 650 Ti does not give the same performance for gaming, so 760 is still a good option.
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I did not say anything about gaming. read the text. *facedesk*


Watch the langauge. - G
 
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You are not serious? Are you?

I have maybe not so good enlish thatI can expllain it so good. But lets try.

Firs if load filest to your computer. Usually from SD XD or other card by usb. USB 3 is then faster way than USB 2?

Then when files are is computer if they are in SSD good. if not it is not so fast? If there is not enough room on SSD what you want to edit. Even then the editing program is on SDD drive so it will run faster but then speed lags when you move your files around.
So best and fastest way to do is. If all files that is edited are on SSD. Because it is about 10 x faster than HDD. This mostly used by professionals. They have min 2 SSD RAID 0 and maybe one more for casjing and for editing "work room" this makes things really fast. Then when editing work is done. You just move files to HDD to save them. Or burn oon DVD or BlueRay or what ever.
Hope someone did understand what I was trying to explain here :D

 
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So I have a few questions, AxlFone added a SSD while you left one out. What is the reason for this? Also, I'd like to know if this build has the capability to play next generation games.

To clear things up as well, I'm only planning to use photoshop and other adobe products for digital painting, photo editing, and animation. Not necessarily video editing. Also I already have an external terabyte, do i really need an internal one?
 
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Well.. I still don't believe that there are any added advantages of having a SSD especially when editing photos.

The HDD should be just fine. Though if you want to extend your budget a few bucks more to like say 950 dollars, then grab a 120GB Samsung 840 EVO.

I was looking at the perfect answer for this particular question "Are there any advantages of SSD in Video Editing?" and I came across this thread in a post says :

Good, yes, but not best for video editing
Warning: this is an opinion. There are many others like it, but this one is mine

I work for a data storage company in a performance measurement group, so I have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about. I have been known to be wrong though...here goes...

The short answer:

The killer app for SSDs are random reads. Sequential reads are also excellent. Writes are decent. Harddrive access for video editing is generally sequential reads since mostly your machine will be reading lots of files and occasionally writing out a new file. RDD (rotational disk drives) are terrible at random reads, worse at random writes, but good at sequential reads and writes. So, for video editing, SSDs will help some, but probably not as much as you'd like.

The long answer if you care:

RDDs are good at sequential reads and writes since there is no break in reading for the disk head to move. You end up being limited only by rotational speed. Random operations are slow because the disk head has to seek across the disk looking for the correct track. SSDs are much better at random operations because they have no moving part that must seek. They are especially good at random reads because the memory cells do not need to change state to have their information read, and usually the parts of a file are striped across memory units so that parts can be read in parallel. Writes are slow for SSDs because to write a block it must first be erased, and usually, to erase a single block a group of blocks must be erased, therefore the whole group of blocks must be read, erased, and rewritten with the new single block changed. The drive manufacturers play lots of tricks in the firmware depending on the models, so check out lots of reviews to see how they perform before buying.

The best enterprise scenarios for SSDs are webservers, databases, etc. The best scenarios for desktop users is the primary OS drive. Since SSDs are good at random operations, the day to day file and operating system activities will feel much faster since parallel (random) operations will be quicker.

If you are using a desktop as opposed to a laptop you will probably be much better off getting a second RDD to use exclusively for video scratch (which will leave the main drive for the OS) than getting a SSD since the price per gigabyte ratio is so high for SSDs. If you are using a laptop for editing, an SSD might be okay since your OS will benefit so much. Still, for the money you are probably better off using a USB harddrive as video scratch space and saving your money for a better processor or more RAM.

Eventually prices will come down and none of this will matter, but for me their are not worth the money yet. You may be rich though
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and this answer in itself explains a lot why there is not much use of SSD in content creation. Hence same answer also applies for Photo Editing, for Content Creation, it is the Sequential speeds that matters and the HDD's are good enough with it for a much cheaper price.


Source of Information : Are Solid State Drives Better? from Videoforum UK. Answer by Willyb

I hope this bit of information helped.
 
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Here is something about SSD and lightroom.
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/19155/will-an-ssd-provide-a-noticeable-benefit-for-lightroom-over-a-traditional-harddr


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I recently got an SSD drive for my primary boot drive. It was a moderately fast one, with consistent 270mb/s read and write speeds. I've used lightroom with the catalog both on the SSD and on a normal HDD, and I did not see a whole lot of performance improvement for my catalog, which is about 12,000 photos or so.

As I started investigating how to improve the performance of Lightroom, I realized that the most significant factor that affected performance was the Camera RAW Cache size (Preferences -> File Handling -> Camera Raw Cache Settings -> Maximum Size). It defaults to 1Gb, however when working with a large number of RAW photos, a 1Gb cache is FAR, FAR too small. Increasing it to at least 20Gb offered good improvement, and increasing it to 50Gb offered considerable improvement. The improvement was a bit better on the SSD, however given the value of SSD space, I again moved the cache off onto a normal HDD. The performance gains are still evident, and I'm quite happy using LR with all of its data on a normal hard drive.

It should be noted that SSD's come in a very BROAD range of speeds and capabilities. Some are fairly slow relative to an HDD (which can usually offer around 60mb/s burst rates), where as some are insanely fast. SSD burst rates can range from as low as around 100mb/s or even lower for really cheap drives, to as high as 700mb/s or even more for highly specialized designs...such as those that fit into a PCI-E slot. Some SSD's include built-in high-speed secondary caches, some have better data distribution algorithms that optimize read or write speeds, etc. All these factors can affect whether an SSD might show a significant improvement for Lightroom performance or not. Lightroom generally stores the working image in memory, so if you are worried about single-image development speed, an SSD is not going to help much. The performance gains that can be realized from faster storage drive speeds happen when moving between files, performing multi-file operations, etc. The bottom line is...the more money you are willing to spend for better SSD technology and faster burst rate, the more likely you are to see an improvement.

So it can give u better performance. But you need good SSD and for example Samsung 120GB EVO is not good for this.
 
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1. In that particular post, he is talking about the computer from 2006, so at that time SSD's were comparitively new and everyone was like blind enough to recommend SSD to whoever can afford it. And as far in the current situation, I have always heard even in this forum that there is zero advantage of SSD in Content Editing or Creation. It is just good for making programs launch faster and transfer files with better speed.

2. Are you saying that the Samsung 840 EVO is not a good SSD?? Really?? It is the 2nd fast SSD from Samsung and is just slightly slower than the 840 Pro. So, it is one of the fastest SSD's on the market for a good price.
 
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Are you really saying that there is no benefit from getting SSD over HDD? So six years ago he did say there is benefit. And now there is not? So you say that go back 10 years back fr drive speeds?

Yes. Samsung EVO is NOT good SSD. 120GB is really slow.
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So you are suggesting SSD that you really do not know anything about?

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I think there is benefit over any usage with SSD.
But seems like if you pick not so good SSD then you lose that benefit :) EVO do have cheaper memory controller or NAND chip.
So end of day that maybe not so reliable than other samsungs. Like PRO.

 
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I seriously don't want to prove anything to you. I know what I know and for most part it is correct.

I will not fight you anymore like a child... You do what you think is good and I would recommend what I think is good.

So, my recommendation is clear and that build does not have an SSD. Now let's just wait what the OP chooses. I will not say anything now.. I am tired of these child fights.
 
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I seriously don't want to prove anything to you. I know what I know and for most part it is correct.
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U are missing the point here. This place is for helping people to build better computers. This is not about fighting. U are just too stupid to use HDD rather than getting 10 * faster SSD? Or if you suggest SSD then it is a poor one. Why? All programs are running faster on SSD. Windows is. So editing program is sure faster. It just depends how much you can gain time over time. If you do 100 image work. If that takes about 1.5h to do.
If SSD makes this work done 30min faster. That is really fast.
Try. Been there done that. Btw. You are child.

So, my recommendation is clear and that build does not have an SSD. Now let's just wait what the OP chooses. I will not say anything now.. I am tired of these child fights
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OP chooses? You are still begging best answers? :D Really that is really childish :) Help people and forget that u must have something.

Hope u get that best answer because it is only thing why you do this.
 
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What about this one?

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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($153.60 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.75 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($98.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.24 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $884.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-27 15:30 EDT-0400)

+ CPU has 8 cores and is really cheap. Can easily outperform the 8350 at stock speeds when over clocked. The single-core performance can't be matched against intel CPU:s but just about when you feel that this CPU is getting weak then more programs will support more cores to counter that in the future. Not the best but i really like the price on this one.
+ I luv this cooler!
+ This motherboard kicks ass for its price.
+ 120GB SSD for some games and 1TB for storing big files from photo editing. If space gets full in either one you can always buy another one but i doubt you will use up all that space.
+ I have this graphics card and it has a lot of power and not to mention that the MSI one is the best out of them all. It's really really really quiet.
+ 650w quality PSU!
+ Leaves upgrade for future like: More ram, SSD, HDD and another gtx 760.

EDIT: Wait, there's a flamewar going on? YAY, I wanna join in on this! :D So how do you do this? Uhm........ YOU LOOK BEAUTIFUL AND I LIKE THE COLORS ON YOUR SHIRT! Take that you handsome people!
 
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I did just buy hat gigabyte GA 990FXA UD3 mobo.
Is that really good? I did buy it for my NAS.
Then one AMD cpu for 30
Still looking for cpu cooler.
I maybe buy this. (did order just now)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Raijintek/Ereboss/

Id still not buy EVO 120GB. That is really not good.
Samsung PRO is much better.

Zotac do have better warranty and OC really good. For GTX 760.
2+3 Years. Zotac TOP is one best cards. (780) not so sure about 760's
But I think this OP is long gone for now :)

Asus Gigabyte MSI Zotac are maybe best ones. And EVGA :D
 
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MSI is the most quiet one out of all the 760 cards and clocks like a beast.

No the EVO is much better for it's price, you wouldn't notice the speed increase because it's such a small increase. Ask anyone and they will tell you to buy the EVO instead.
 
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So are you saying that MSI is how much better than this?
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt7040210p

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt7040110p

Or this?
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_760_asus_directcu_oc_review,7.html

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-gtx760dc2oc2gd5

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvn760oc2gd

And new Ti is coming soon. 780Ti is sure thing but maybe 760 Ti is coming too??

And other thing Id look 4GB too. Because new games seems like more memory. :)

Are u sure EVO is now good price? It have beencheaper.
And itis bit old too. New Thermalright and other coolers are really good.And they are not really so much more expensive.




 
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- If the MSI is better? Well when it comes to the 760 I have to say yes. It's so quiet that even when the fans are at 100% it's still running quiet. In terms of noise level the MSI one is the most quiet one under full load.

- I'm talking about the Samsung EVO not the cooler but whatever. The EVO 212 is the best p/p cooler out there right now IMO. It does the job even though being so cheap so getting any better isn't necessary so you're better of spending your money elsewhere?

EDIT: Sorry, did you mean thermaltake?
 
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No I did mean thermalright
http://www.thermalright.com/products.html

This is really good and silenr cpu cooler.
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-BW-Support-Socket-Driver/dp/B008YTUN38

http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Spirit-specifically-Micro-tower/dp/B00A0EC0X6/ref=sr_1_sc_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1382955673&sr=1-2-spell&keywords=Thermalright+truspirit

http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-True-Spirit-140-officially/dp/B00629G1PG/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1382955673&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=Thermalright+truspirit

EVO can not handle so much OC that better coolers can do.
Cheap yes. Silent? Not so silent as others. And Price is bit high side. 25$ is good price for EVO. 30 is bit too much IMO.

This looks like really good buy. New cooler so it is not so much used yet.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Raijintek/Themis/6.html


 
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I have to be honest but i've never heard of that brand before.
 
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