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Is there any difference in 2ms vs 5ms monitors for gaming and whats the best brand?

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October 26, 2013 10:23:48 AM

Im stuck between a few monitors but some of the monitors are 5ms. i know 2ms is better but by how much anything noticeable, im coming from a 1280 x 1024 with a 16ms response time monitor, I play FPS games like BF4, COD etc so will i see a noticeable difference between the 2? I was also wondering who made the best monitors to game on, i heard it was ASUS so i have been looking into them but if there is different i would like to know?
October 26, 2013 10:26:12 AM

The difference between 2 and 5 isn't big, and you shouldn't even notice it. Personally, I like Philips monitors best.
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October 26, 2013 10:26:53 AM

Your not going to notice a difference between 2ms and 5ms.

Also, what's your budget? I could help in finding a good monitor.
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October 26, 2013 10:30:42 AM

If you have a decent GPU I would recommend upgrading to a 1440p monitor @ 120 Hz refresh.

I am personally having trouble with the concept of faster refresh speed with fixed refresh rates and just posted a thread asking this question. What I mean is that even with a 120Hz refresh rate screen you are getting 120 frames per second, or one frame every 8.3 ms. So how is having any refresh speed of less than 8.3 ms beneficial at all if you are not going to see the next frame before 8.3 seconds anyway...

Based on this I would say there is NO difference between 5ms and 2ms refresh speed but I might be wrong. Perhaps it has to do with "strobing" where the frame is only displayed for that amount of time? I cant wait to hear some of the answers here. Some people will just say 2ms is better than 5ms without any explanation, I would be wary of those "experts".
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October 26, 2013 10:34:36 AM

It's a pretty big difference moving from a 16ms monitor, but not so much between 2 and 5, I don't know what your budget is, but if you can afford one, BenQ monitors are the MLG monitor of choice, and owning one myself, I absolutely love them. If you're big into tweitch based games, getting a 120Hz monitor is a good idea too, it will give you a noticable advantage in games.

BenQ XL2420T This is what I would recommend, although for 8 dollars more you could get the 2720T, which is what I have. Expensive, but worth it.
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October 26, 2013 10:38:21 AM

budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 26, 2013 10:41:22 AM

MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).

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October 26, 2013 10:45:28 AM

For your budget, that looks like a very good monitor. but I would recommend you look at these as they are more towards your price range and higher quality:
BenQ 21.5
BenQ 24

Personally, I would save up a bit more rather than rushing this purchase.

It's not that a person can see the difference between a 60 and 120 Hz screen, it's that a 120Hz monitor updates twice as fast, so you have better positioning of other players. This makes you more accurate, because you're shooting where the player actually is.
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October 26, 2013 10:46:06 AM

TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).



exactly my thoughts, i think 60hz is fine for me, but who makes the best monitors i Know BENQ does but they are way out of my price range but what about ASUS there is a few nice ones i found, like the one mentioned above and its only 129$ i count rebates
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October 26, 2013 10:49:20 AM

TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).



That's not true, first off, I agree that 120Hz is bad based on his budget, but if you get more than 60 frames i.e. 61+, then there is a benefit to a 120Hz monitor, even if you don't reach 120 FPS.
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October 26, 2013 10:51:33 AM

MrAcd said:

exactly my thoughts, i think 60hz is fine for me, but who makes the best monitors i Know BENQ does but they are way out of my price range but what about ASUS there is a few nice ones i found, like the one mentioned above and its only 129$ i count rebates


Just want to make sure that you saw my suggestions, there is a BenQ in there for 120 ish dollars.
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October 26, 2013 10:51:56 AM

P1nnacle said:
TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).



That's not true, first off, I agree that 120Hz is bad based on his budget, but if you get more than 60 frames i.e. 61+, then there is a benefit to a 120Hz monitor, even if you don't reach 120 FPS.


I totally agree because on some games i do get 60+ fps just not 120 but what if i raised my budget to 150? What could i get then?
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October 26, 2013 10:53:26 AM

MrAcd said:
TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).



exactly my thoughts, i think 60hz is fine for me, but who makes the best monitors i Know BENQ does but they are way out of my price range but what about ASUS there is a few nice ones i found, like the one mentioned above and its only 129$ i count rebates


Asus, acer, dell, benq, samsung, viewsonic, all make good monitors.

asus - http://www.amazon.com/VS228H-P-22-Inch-Full-HD-LED-Lit-...

acer -http://www.amazon.com/Acer-G236HL-Bbd-23-Inch-LCD-Lit/d...

viewsonic - http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VA2246M-LED-22-Inch-LED...
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October 26, 2013 11:02:19 AM

TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).



exactly my thoughts, i think 60hz is fine for me, but who makes the best monitors i Know BENQ does but they are way out of my price range but what about ASUS there is a few nice ones i found, like the one mentioned above and its only 129$ i count rebates


Asus, acer, dell, benq, samsung, viewsonic, all make good monitors.

asus - http://www.amazon.com/VS228H-P-22-Inch-Full-HD-LED-Lit-...

acer -http://www.amazon.com/Acer-G236HL-Bbd-23-Inch-LCD-Lit/d...

viewsonic - http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VA2246M-LED-22-Inch-LED...


That asus monitor was also in my top 3 i was looking at but the other two didnt have hdmi which is a requiremnt but otherwise they where okay im not a fan of the viewsonic
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October 26, 2013 11:04:43 AM

MrAcd said:
TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).



exactly my thoughts, i think 60hz is fine for me, but who makes the best monitors i Know BENQ does but they are way out of my price range but what about ASUS there is a few nice ones i found, like the one mentioned above and its only 129$ i count rebates


Asus, acer, dell, benq, samsung, viewsonic, all make good monitors.

asus - http://www.amazon.com/VS228H-P-22-Inch-Full-HD-LED-Lit-...

acer -http://www.amazon.com/Acer-G236HL-Bbd-23-Inch-LCD-Lit/d...

viewsonic - http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VA2246M-LED-22-Inch-LED...


That asus monitor was also in my top 3 i was looking at but the other two didnt have hdmi which is a requiremnt but otherwise they where okay im not a fan of the viewsonic


Yeah, not a big fan of viewsonic either. I'd just go with the asus, (for the price it's a good deal).
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October 26, 2013 11:07:00 AM

P1nnacle said:
BenQ 21.5 $120
BenQ 24 RL $190
BenQ 24 VA $170



Is BenQ purely the best or is ASUS good, i like that 170$ monitor but that is a little high for the price for me i really dont want to push anything over 140$
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October 26, 2013 11:08:15 AM

TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
TBC1 said:
MrAcd said:
budget is around 130$ but i have a 7870 oced to 7950 performance. I know that experts say that once you go 120hz you cant go back to 60hz but the average gamer cant see a difference, also i don't have enough money for a 120hz. So you guys are saying that it really has no impact? Either will be fine

UPDATE: Here is a monitor im looking into now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


60hz is fine, especially for your card (you will not be pumping out a 120 frames so 120hz is pointless and out of your budget).



exactly my thoughts, i think 60hz is fine for me, but who makes the best monitors i Know BENQ does but they are way out of my price range but what about ASUS there is a few nice ones i found, like the one mentioned above and its only 129$ i count rebates


Asus, acer, dell, benq, samsung, viewsonic, all make good monitors.

asus - http://www.amazon.com/VS228H-P-22-Inch-Full-HD-LED-Lit-...

acer -http://www.amazon.com/Acer-G236HL-Bbd-23-Inch-LCD-Lit/d...

viewsonic - http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VA2246M-LED-22-Inch-LED...


That asus monitor was also in my top 3 i was looking at but the other two didnt have hdmi which is a requiremnt but otherwise they where okay im not a fan of the viewsonic


Yeah, not a big fan of viewsonic either. I'd just go with the asus, (for the price it's a good deal).


Is there a better one for 140$
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October 26, 2013 11:10:11 AM

MrAcd said:
P1nnacle said:
BenQ 21.5 $120
BenQ 24 RL $190
BenQ 24 VA $170



Is BenQ purely the best or is ASUS good, i like that 170$ monitor but that is a little high for the price for me i really dont want to push anything over 140$


Both benq and asus make good monitors. Just go with the one that fits your budget.

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October 26, 2013 11:13:38 AM

MrAcd said:
Im stuck between a few monitors but some of the monitors are 5ms. i know 2ms is better but by how much anything noticeable, im coming from a 1280 x 1024 with a 16ms response time monitor, I play FPS games like BF4, COD etc so will i see a noticeable difference between the 2? I was also wondering who made the best monitors to game on, i heard it was ASUS so i have been looking into them but if there is different i would like to know?


BENQ XL2420TE ,
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October 26, 2013 11:15:02 AM

I would say that BenQ is just a bit better, but in the end it really does just come down to budget. I would just point out that a monitor is usually more of a long term purchase, so you should plan to get one that will suite you for a couple years.
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October 26, 2013 11:19:31 AM

P1nnacle said:
I would say that BenQ is just a bit better, but in the end it really does just come down to budget. I would just point out that a monitor is usually more of a long term purchase, so you should plan to get one that will suite you for a couple years.


So just maybe i should wait and save for a 120hz one... quick question does pixel pitch matter?
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October 26, 2013 11:22:27 AM

In your situation, I think you should upgrade to a faster 60Hz, it will be a noticable improvement, and a 120Hz monitor that cost 3-400 dollars might keep you waiting for a while. Pixel pitch does matter, but not so much for what you're buying.
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October 26, 2013 11:30:40 AM

TBC1 said:
No point in buying a 120hz monitor unless you have a card that can get 120fps. If anything, you could buy a 1440p monitor for almost the same price as a good 120hz 1080p screen - http://www.amazon.com/QNIX-QX2710-Evolution-LED-Monitor...


Again, that's not true, if you get above 60 FPS then you will see an improvement with a 120Hz monitor, even if you aren't getting 120FPS.
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October 26, 2013 11:30:58 AM

TBC1 said:
No point in buying a 120hz monitor unless you have a card that can get 120fps. If anything, you could buy a 1440p monitor for almost the same price as a good 120hz 1080p screen - http://www.amazon.com/QNIX-QX2710-Evolution-LED-Monitor...


for High Resolution monitor with High refresh rate do not forget about screen tearing & motion blur,i dont know if V SYNC will be a good solution for that .
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October 26, 2013 11:32:09 AM

I'm going to ask again, because a lot of people are recommending a "faster" 60Hz display without explanation. See 3rd,4th or 5th post in this thread.

How is a "FASTER" (5ms, 2ms, 0.0000000001ms) response time monitor at 60Hz any better than a 16ms response time 60Hz monitor? At 60Hz you are getting 60 frames per second or 1 frame every 16.6 ms, so no matter that response time of 1ms, you are still waiting 16.6 ms for the next frame. Same thing goes for anything "faster" than 8.3 ms @ 120Hz. I must be missing something. Anyone?
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October 26, 2013 11:34:04 AM

A faster response time reduces ghosting and screen artifacts that are a result of the pixels not being able to change their colors fast enough to keep up with the changing images.
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October 26, 2013 11:34:52 AM

P1nnacle said:
In your situation, I think you should upgrade to a faster 60Hz, it will be a noticable improvement, and a 120Hz monitor that cost 3-400 dollars might keep you waiting for a while. Pixel pitch does matter, but not so much for what you're buying.


I do kinda want the upgrade now running a 17inch square not HD monitor to game on, i might got for this one right here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 26, 2013 11:38:27 AM

P1nnacle said:
A faster response time reduces ghosting and screen artifacts that are a result of the pixels not being able to change their colors fast enough to keep up with the changing images.


Please explain further. You mean the pixels are changing colors every 5ms? That would result in a refresh rate of 200Hz!
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October 26, 2013 11:39:01 AM

MrAcd said:

I do kinda want the upgrade now running a 17inch square not HD monitor to game on, i might got for this one right here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Yeah, I think you should, but go with the 170 or 190 BenQ, not much more than what you're looking at and IMO a much better monitor. If you have to look at it for years you may as well like it right?
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October 26, 2013 11:45:35 AM

In terms of monitor screen quality, the two 23" are pretty much the same. I would recommend either of those if you want to buy right now. The sweet spot for most gamers and 1920x1080 is a 24" monitor, so a 23" is a better choice.
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October 26, 2013 11:50:46 AM

P1nnacle said:
In terms of monitor screen quality, the two 23" are pretty much the same. I would recommend either of those if you want to buy right now. The sweet spot for most gamers and 1920x1080 is a 24" monitor, so a 23" is a better choice.


Im fine with a 21.5 though, but spec wise which one?
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October 26, 2013 11:53:07 AM

MrAcd said:
P1nnacle said:
In terms of monitor screen quality, the two 23" are pretty much the same. I would recommend either of those if you want to buy right now. The sweet spot for most gamers and 1920x1080 is a 24" monitor, so a 23" is a better choice.


Im fine with a 21.5 though, but spec wise which one?


I'm pretty sure the two 23" monitors are using the same panels and probably have some minor aesthetic differences. I would still go 23 vs a 21.5, even if they had the exact same specs.
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October 26, 2013 11:58:49 AM

P1nnacle said:
MrAcd said:
P1nnacle said:
In terms of monitor screen quality, the two 23" are pretty much the same. I would recommend either of those if you want to buy right now. The sweet spot for most gamers and 1920x1080 is a 24" monitor, so a 23" is a better choice.


Im fine with a 21.5 though, but spec wise which one?


I'm pretty sure the two 23" monitors are using the same panels and probably have some minor aesthetic differences. I would still go 23 vs a 21.5, even if they had the exact same specs.


Well im pretty sure i know which one im going to pick, and what about a IPS panel one i found one in my price range on sale
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... would it be any better, gaming wise?
Btw, i want to thank you so much for taking your time to help me out, like thank you, really.
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October 26, 2013 12:04:36 PM

MrAcd said:

Well im pretty sure i know which one im going to pick, and what about a IPS panel one i found one in my price range on sale
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... would it be any better, gaming wise?
Btw, i want to thank you so much for taking your time to help me out, like thank you, really.


No problem, glad to help. IPS Panels give better colors, but the aren't as good for gaming because they don't refresh as fast, which can lead to ghosting in some cases.
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October 26, 2013 12:10:17 PM

i heard they where for cinema and else what, so your saying stay away from IPS since im gaming?
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October 26, 2013 12:14:49 PM

MrAcd said:
i heard they where for cinema and else what, so your saying stay away from IPS since im gaming?


That would be my recommendation.
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October 26, 2013 12:16:28 PM

MrAcd said:
i heard they where for cinema and else what, so your saying stay away from IPS since im gaming?


IPS has some input lag & also TN panel is best for gaming,
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October 26, 2013 12:35:38 PM

Well thank you again, i know which one to pick you have been a big help
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October 26, 2013 12:40:01 PM

MrAcd said:
Well thank you again, i know which one to pick you have been a big help


Glad to have been able to help! Don't forget to pick a best solution.
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