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October 28, 2013 10:17:25 PM

Hi everyone
I don't know which card to get the R9 290X or GTX 780 Galaxy HOF Edition
The big difference of the cards for me is the pries because i live in Australia parts are more expensive compared to the USA. I am able to get a R9 from Australia but not the 780 so i`m paying 100 dollars just for postage for the 780.
780 is $800
R9 is $700
I know that there really is not a future prof graphics card but i will like a graphics card that could last me around 2-3 years
I like using many mods that upgrade the graphics of the game mostly ENB`s for games like Skyrim and SweetFX.

Is the 780 that much better that it is worth the extra 100 dollars (if anyone know any Australian website that has the GTX 780 Galaxy HOF Edition PLEASE mention it or a website with low shipping rates to Australia)

My specs:
Windows 7
i5 3330 3.2 GHz (upgrading to a i7 4770K)
8 GB DDR3 RAM 1333 Mhz
GTX 570
650 W PSU
250 GB SSD
2 TB hard Drive

some benchmarks for the cards
780 HOF=http://www.overclock.net/t/1420631/titan-sc-vs-gtx-780-...
R9= http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawa...



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October 28, 2013 10:29:23 PM

The 780 isn't a better card. I'd buy the r290x even with stock cooling. Once the aftermarket cooling solutions come out, there won't even be a competition.
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October 28, 2013 10:32:02 PM

Just today the 780 was reduced in price from $650 to $500. It should be well cheaper than the R9 290X. And the 780 has a far better cooling solution. The chip runs cool and quiet. The speeds of the two boards are within 5 to 10%. Go with the GTX 780 once you see that price drop.
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October 28, 2013 10:43:16 PM

290x hands down. you wont regret your purchase.
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October 28, 2013 10:59:45 PM

StudMcMuffin said:
Hi everyone
I don't know which card to get the R9 290X or GTX 780 Galaxy HOF Edition
The big difference of the cards for me is the pries because i live in Australia parts are more expensive compared to the USA. I am able to get a R9 from Australia but not the 780 so i`m paying 100 dollars just for postage for the 780.
780 is $800
R9 is $700
I know that there really is not a future prof graphics card but i will like a graphics card that could last me around 2-3 years
I like using many mods that upgrade the graphics of the game mostly ENB`s for games like Skyrim and SweetFX.

Is the 780 that much better that it is worth the extra 100 dollars (if anyone know any Australian website that has the GTX 780 Galaxy HOF Edition PLEASE mention it or a website with low shipping rates to Australia)

My specs:
Windows 7
i5 3330 3.2 GHz (upgrading to a i7 4770K)
8 GB DDR3 RAM 1333 Mhz
GTX 570
650 W PSU
250 GB SSD
2 TB hard Drive

some benchmarks for the cards
780 HOF=http://www.overclock.net/t/1420631/titan-sc-vs-gtx-780-...
R9= http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawa...





Yeah, so what that 780's price dropped . . . It's still not $500 in Australia for you :p  The 290x will FUTUREPROOF (keyword) your PC. With its 4gb vram, 512bit bus, and increase in Speed over the 780 (yes, even the HOF version) It is far superior and will be ready for upcoming Tech and Games (780 already has a Vram disadvantage in BF4). If you can wait, hold off for the Aftermarket Custom models to release though. The reference design runs way too hot for comfort now, and is noisy as hell. When those are fixed in the coming month of releases, it will be the best card for you.
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October 29, 2013 1:53:25 AM

If you don't plan to overclock, get the R9 290X. It might be louder and hotter, but performance is better than the 780.

If you do want to overclock, there's no contest: the 780 wins hands down. The 290X is a terrible overclocker, and isn't even heat limited as most AMD card tend to be - the stream processors can't handle anything more than a 2-5% OC. The GTX 780, on the other hand, will easily OC by 15% with the stock version - the Galaxy version will be more like 20%.

With regard to Mantle, it's a marketing gimmick, so don't let it sway your decision. NVidia have had a low-level API with better features available for years now which has had roughly zero impact on the gaming world.

In short:
Stock TITAN > Stock 290X > Stock 780
OC 780 > OC TITAN > OC 290X

Anyone who tells you otherwise is just a fanboy. Personally I prefer AMD but I think they screwed up this series.

Source: tested multiple versions of the 780 and the 290X
See hardforum.com for benchmarks
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October 29, 2013 1:57:05 AM

Tedfoo25 said:
If you don't plan to overclock, get the R9 290X. It might be louder and hotter, but performance is better than the 780.

If you do want to overclock, there's no contest: the 780 wins hands down. The 290X is a terrible overclocker, and isn't even heat limited as most AMD card tend to be - the stream processors can't handle anything more than a 2-5% OC. The GTX 780, on the other hand, will easily OC by 15% with the stock version - the Galaxy version will be more like 20%.

With regard to Mantle, it's a marketing gimmick, so don't let it sway your decision. NVidia have had a low-level API with better features available for years now which has had roughly zero impact on the gaming world.

In short:
Stock TITAN > Stock 290X > Stock 780
OC 780 > OC TITAN > OC 290X

Anyone who tells you otherwise is just a fanboy. Personally I prefer AMD but they screwed up this series.

Source: tested multiple versions of the 780 and the 290X
See hardforum.com for countless benchmarks which show the same thing




are you ok? or you having your own review board? toms benchclearly shows a 290x beats a titan handsdown in games...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawa...

plz dont post unecessary posts without sufficent proof.
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October 29, 2013 2:05:17 AM


are you ok? or you having your own review board? toms benchclearly shows a 290x beats a titan handsdown in games...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawa... said:

are you ok? or you having your own review board? toms benchclearly shows a 290x beats a titan handsdown in games...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawa...


I hadn't seen these benchmarks before. My own as well as a lot of others from hardforum show different results. It may be because of driver differences.

Here, for example, is a benchmark that supports what I'm saying:
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/13-10-25/204b.jpg
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October 29, 2013 2:07:17 AM

you should remember to check benchmarks from trustworthy sites such as toms. remember there plenty of anti/pro amd/nvidia sites with biased based benchmarks....
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October 29, 2013 2:12:28 AM

caj said:
you should remember to check benchmarks from trustworthy sites such as toms. remember there plenty of anti/pro amd/nvidia sites with biased based benchmarks....


I don't want to call you a a fanboy, but there are plenty of benchmarks that suggest what I'm saying.

Here's a crapload:
http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_2...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...


Also, the Tom's benchmark is in AMDs favour (turning off NVidia features like PhysX but not AMD ones to make it 'fair'). I didn't want to bring it up because then I might be accused of being a fanboy, but since you mentioned it, I did.

As you said, don't say anything without reputable sources to back it up.
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October 29, 2013 3:44:56 PM

Tedfoo25 said:
caj said:
you should remember to check benchmarks from trustworthy sites such as toms. remember there plenty of anti/pro amd/nvidia sites with biased based benchmarks....


I don't want to call you a a fanboy, but there are plenty of benchmarks that suggest what I'm saying.

Here's a crapload:
http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_2...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...


Also, the Tom's benchmark is in AMDs favour (turning off NVidia features like PhysX but not AMD ones to make it 'fair'). I didn't want to bring it up because then I might be accused of being a fanboy, but since you mentioned it, I did.

As you said, don't say anything without reputable sources to back it up.


OMG . . . the last link you posted, and the 3 here all show the 290x as superior to the 780 in almost all games, and even faster than the Titan in many . . . The only 780 that can beat the 290x is the HOF . . . a card $120 more than the stock 780 . . . Yeah, its better, but only if you like to burn your hard earned money on 2% increase in performance with less Vram.
How about you learn to read the "proof" you send us before you give bad advice. Sorry I had to break it to you this way.
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October 30, 2013 12:41:38 AM

jkteddy77 said:
Tedfoo25 said:
caj said:
you should remember to check benchmarks from trustworthy sites such as toms. remember there plenty of anti/pro amd/nvidia sites with biased based benchmarks....


I don't want to call you a a fanboy, but there are plenty of benchmarks that suggest what I'm saying.

Here's a crapload:
http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_2...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...


Also, the Tom's benchmark is in AMDs favour (turning off NVidia features like PhysX but not AMD ones to make it 'fair'). I didn't want to bring it up because then I might be accused of being a fanboy, but since you mentioned it, I did.

As you said, don't say anything without reputable sources to back it up.


OMG . . . the last link you posted, and the 3 here all show the 290x as superior to the 780 in almost all games, and even faster than the Titan in many . . . The only 780 that can beat the 290x is the HOF . . . a card $120 more than the stock 780 . . . Yeah, its better, but only if you like to burn your hard earned money on 2% increase in performance with less Vram.
How about you learn to read the "proof" you send us before you give bad advice. Sorry I had to break it to you this way.


Ok, first, did you look at all the benchmarks or just the first page? Read the whole review, and you'll see why I linked it.

Secondly, we are comparing a 290X to a 780 HOF, so the fact that you said it can beat it answer's OPs question.

Unfortunately, this thread has turned in to more of an argument than a discussion. Sorry StudMcMuffin. Both are great cards, you can't go wrong with either, but my point still stands: If you're going to OC, get the 780; if not, get the 290X.
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October 30, 2013 6:58:33 PM

Tedfoo25 said:
jkteddy77 said:
Tedfoo25 said:
caj said:
you should remember to check benchmarks from trustworthy sites such as toms. remember there plenty of anti/pro amd/nvidia sites with biased based benchmarks....


I don't want to call you a a fanboy, but there are plenty of benchmarks that suggest what I'm saying.

Here's a crapload:
http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_2...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...


Also, the Tom's benchmark is in AMDs favour (turning off NVidia features like PhysX but not AMD ones to make it 'fair'). I didn't want to bring it up because then I might be accused of being a fanboy, but since you mentioned it, I did.

As you said, don't say anything without reputable sources to back it up.


OMG . . . the last link you posted, and the 3 here all show the 290x as superior to the 780 in almost all games, and even faster than the Titan in many . . . The only 780 that can beat the 290x is the HOF . . . a card $120 more than the stock 780 . . . Yeah, its better, but only if you like to burn your hard earned money on 2% increase in performance with less Vram.
How about you learn to read the "proof" you send us before you give bad advice. Sorry I had to break it to you this way.


Ok, first, did you look at all the benchmarks or just the first page? Read the whole review, and you'll see why I linked it.

Secondly, we are comparing a 290X to a 780 HOF, so the fact that you said it can beat it answer's OPs question.

Unfortunately, this thread has turned in to more of an argument than a discussion. Sorry StudMcMuffin. Both are great cards, you can't go wrong with either, but my point still stands: If you're going to OC, get the 780; if not, get the 290X.


If he got a 290x over a 780 HOF, He would be getting just about identical performance to the HOf, (4-5 fps at most difference) and He also says he plans on using mods with Skyrim and SweetFX, too things that having 4gb vRam could really help with, especially if he plans on upgrading to the impending 1440p/1600p realm in the next 2-3 years. He also says that it will cost him an additional $100 in postage just to ship the dang 780 . . . For his personal case, I think a 290x would be best for him. Is he losing a bit of performance? just a bit, but He saves $100, and has a card thats actually ready for the HD monitors and VRAM hungry games that are approaching quickly.

Turns out you're the one just wanting to prove that the 780 is better when this poor Aussy would have to pay another $100 for a product with essentially the same tier of power.
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October 31, 2013 12:48:13 AM

jkteddy77 said:
Tedfoo25 said:
jkteddy77 said:
Tedfoo25 said:
caj said:
you should remember to check benchmarks from trustworthy sites such as toms. remember there plenty of anti/pro amd/nvidia sites with biased based benchmarks....


I don't want to call you a a fanboy, but there are plenty of benchmarks that suggest what I'm saying.

Here's a crapload:
http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_2...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...


Also, the Tom's benchmark is in AMDs favour (turning off NVidia features like PhysX but not AMD ones to make it 'fair'). I didn't want to bring it up because then I might be accused of being a fanboy, but since you mentioned it, I did.

As you said, don't say anything without reputable sources to back it up.


OMG . . . the last link you posted, and the 3 here all show the 290x as superior to the 780 in almost all games, and even faster than the Titan in many . . . The only 780 that can beat the 290x is the HOF . . . a card $120 more than the stock 780 . . . Yeah, its better, but only if you like to burn your hard earned money on 2% increase in performance with less Vram.
How about you learn to read the "proof" you send us before you give bad advice. Sorry I had to break it to you this way.


Ok, first, did you look at all the benchmarks or just the first page? Read the whole review, and you'll see why I linked it.

Secondly, we are comparing a 290X to a 780 HOF, so the fact that you said it can beat it answer's OPs question.

Unfortunately, this thread has turned in to more of an argument than a discussion. Sorry StudMcMuffin. Both are great cards, you can't go wrong with either, but my point still stands: If you're going to OC, get the 780; if not, get the 290X.


If he got a 290x over a 780 HOF, He would be getting just about identical performance to the HOf, (4-5 fps at most difference) and He also says he plans on using mods with Skyrim and SweetFX, too things that having 4gb vRam could really help with, especially if he plans on upgrading to the impending 1440p/1600p realm in the next 2-3 years. He also says that it will cost him an additional $100 in postage just to ship the dang 780 . . . For his personal case, I think a 290x would be best for him. Is he losing a bit of performance? just a bit, but He saves $100, and has a card thats actually ready for the HD monitors and VRAM hungry games that are approaching quickly.

Turns out you're the one just wanting to prove that the 780 is better when this poor Aussy would have to pay another $100 for a product with essentially the same tier of power.


OK, a fair point. Maybe the extra $100 doesn't justify the difference (but don't forget that NVidia cards are more expensive because of better cooling, noise levels, aesthetics and drivers at the same performance point).

StudMcMuffin, it's your choice. Having looked at your specs, perhaps the 290x is the better choice since you can spend the extra cash on something else (maybe even a different upgrade, like a nice CPU cooler), even though it will be marginally slower than a 780HOF.
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October 31, 2013 1:30:03 AM

Tedfoo25 said:
jkteddy77 said:
Tedfoo25 said:
jkteddy77 said:
Tedfoo25 said:
caj said:
you should remember to check benchmarks from trustworthy sites such as toms. remember there plenty of anti/pro amd/nvidia sites with biased based benchmarks....


I don't want to call you a a fanboy, but there are plenty of benchmarks that suggest what I'm saying.

Here's a crapload:
http://www.techspot.com/review/727-radeon-r9-290x/
http://m.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_2...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...


Also, the Tom's benchmark is in AMDs favour (turning off NVidia features like PhysX but not AMD ones to make it 'fair'). I didn't want to bring it up because then I might be accused of being a fanboy, but since you mentioned it, I did.

As you said, don't say anything without reputable sources to back it up.


OMG . . . the last link you posted, and the 3 here all show the 290x as superior to the 780 in almost all games, and even faster than the Titan in many . . . The only 780 that can beat the 290x is the HOF . . . a card $120 more than the stock 780 . . . Yeah, its better, but only if you like to burn your hard earned money on 2% increase in performance with less Vram.
How about you learn to read the "proof" you send us before you give bad advice. Sorry I had to break it to you this way.


Ok, first, did you look at all the benchmarks or just the first page? Read the whole review, and you'll see why I linked it.

Secondly, we are comparing a 290X to a 780 HOF, so the fact that you said it can beat it answer's OPs question.

Unfortunately, this thread has turned in to more of an argument than a discussion. Sorry StudMcMuffin. Both are great cards, you can't go wrong with either, but my point still stands: If you're going to OC, get the 780; if not, get the 290X.


If he got a 290x over a 780 HOF, He would be getting just about identical performance to the HOf, (4-5 fps at most difference) and He also says he plans on using mods with Skyrim and SweetFX, too things that having 4gb vRam could really help with, especially if he plans on upgrading to the impending 1440p/1600p realm in the next 2-3 years. He also says that it will cost him an additional $100 in postage just to ship the dang 780 . . . For his personal case, I think a 290x would be best for him. Is he losing a bit of performance? just a bit, but He saves $100, and has a card thats actually ready for the HD monitors and VRAM hungry games that are approaching quickly.

Turns out you're the one just wanting to prove that the 780 is better when this poor Aussy would have to pay another $100 for a product with essentially the same tier of power.


OK, a fair point. Maybe the extra $100 doesn't justify the difference (but don't forget that NVidia cards are more expensive because of better cooling, noise levels, aesthetics and drivers at the same performance point).

StudMcMuffin, it's your choice. Having looked at your specs, perhaps the 290x is the better choice since you can spend the extra cash on something else (maybe even a different upgrade, like a nice CPU cooler), even though it will be marginally slower than a 780HOF.


If you have the time, wait for the OC'd custom cooled 290x's in about mid-november, as that will fix the heat/noise issue, and give you a good 5-10% increase in performance factory default, matching the 780HOF's power for a bit less. It's a long wait though, and its torture for me since I'm waiting for the 290 aftermarket . . . You ever played BF4 competitively at 20fps on lowest settings?

I'd say the final factor is on preference. If you think you need the 4gb for lots of mods and futureproof for higher resolution, get a 290x, but buy a cooler as well if you buy a stock one. If AA and Physx, and overall a bit more raw power are important to you, buy the new 780 ghz edition for about the same price the HOF used to be, but its quite a bit more than a 290x still. I'd go with the 290x for highly modded games, but I'm also biased because I play mostly AMD optimized games. If you love Assassains creed, splinter cell, or Batman, I'd get the 780, as you save $180 in games right there, packaged with the card, and they're optimized for Nvidia.

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