Components for new computer (motherboard especially)

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OK, so I am going to be building a new computer from scratch with a guy who knows a lot but is very busy. The computer will be mainly for gaming. I don't want the top of the line stuff because I don't want to spend more than $1500-1600 but I definitely don't want cheap or weak stuff either. Basically I would like you guys to help me know if my components are good and all compatible with each other so I can order them and we can build it. So please let me know if 1) Anything is incompatible. 2) Anything is bad or underpowered. 3) There are better options for something but in same price range.

The following is what i have picked out so far:

-Intel Core i7 3770 (3.4GHz)
or Intel Core i7 4770k(3.5Ghz)
[what is the big difference that i get for $60? both have hyper threading and only .1Ghz difference i can see]

-EVGA/Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 2GB
-16 GB RAM (probably Kingston hyper?) ddr3
-120 GB samsung SSD 2.5" SATA III
-500-750 GB Western Digital HDD 7200 RPM SATA III
-ASUS 24X DVD-RW SATA
-Asus VE228H 21.5" Full HD HDMI LED Back-light LCD Monitor w/Speakers (Model #:VE228H)


The following are things i know i still need:
-Motherboard (preferably one that has slots for 2 gfx cards so i can add another one later)
-Power Supply
-Sound card (i have no clue here)
-Network card (i hear Intel is good)
-Fan(s)
-Case
anything else i need?

Thanks for all your help! Sorry it is so much at one time.
 
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The "K" allows you to overclock. You can expect about a 20% improvement if you overclock.
Few games use more than 2-3 cores, so the extra hyperthreads of the i7 chips are largely useless.
I Save some money and use a 3570K or 4670K instead. Use the $100 saved elsewhere.

You will want at least a $30 cpu cooler like a cm hyper212. I would avoid the liquid coolers.

No game, by itself will use more than 2-3gb. 8gb is the norm. I like 16gb if you are not budget constrained. Windows will keep more code in ram available for instant reuse.
Buy a 2 stick kit of ddr3 1600. Faster does not help much.

Gaming performance is primarily driven by the graphics card.
Use the $100 saved to buy a GTX770 if you can. Buy only a quality psu brand...
The "K" allows you to overclock. You can expect about a 20% improvement if you overclock.
Few games use more than 2-3 cores, so the extra hyperthreads of the i7 chips are largely useless.
I Save some money and use a 3570K or 4670K instead. Use the $100 saved elsewhere.

You will want at least a $30 cpu cooler like a cm hyper212. I would avoid the liquid coolers.

No game, by itself will use more than 2-3gb. 8gb is the norm. I like 16gb if you are not budget constrained. Windows will keep more code in ram available for instant reuse.
Buy a 2 stick kit of ddr3 1600. Faster does not help much.

Gaming performance is primarily driven by the graphics card.
Use the $100 saved to buy a GTX770 if you can. Buy only a quality psu brand like Seasonic, xfx, antec, corsair...
A 600w psu would be appropriate for a GTX770.

Motherboards have decent HD 7.i sound. A separate sound card is not needed.
Motherboards will include a lan port. If you need wifi, then you will need a wifi card.

For a 3570K, buy any Z777 based motherboard.
For a 4670K, buy a Z87 based motherboard.

Do not plan on dual cards.
Here is my canned rant on planning for dual cards:
-----------------------------Start of rant----------------------------------------------------
Dual graphics cards vs. a good single card.

a) How good do you really need to be?
A single GTX650/ti or 7770 can give you good performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

A single GTX660 or 7850 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
A single gtx690,7990, oe R9-290X is about as good as it gets for a single card.

Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, then sli/cf will be needed.
Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards.

b) The costs for a single card are lower.
You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
Even a ITX motherboard will do.

Your psu costs are less.
A GTX660 needs a 430w psu, even a GTX780 only needs a 575w psu.
When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 150-200w to your psu requirements.

Even the most power hungry GTX690 only needs 620w, or a 7990 needs 700w.

Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
You will also look at more noise.

c) Dual gpu's do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995.html

d) dual gpu support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

e) dual cards up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.
The Maxwell and amd 8000 or 9000 series are due next year.
-------------------------------End of rant-----------------------------------------------------------

Cases are a personal thing, and most will do their job.
Look for one that appeals to you; you will be looking at it for a long time.
Look for at least 2 120mm intake fans or equivalent in exhaust.
$50 will buy you a perfectly functional case.
 
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OK, first off I love the rant. So I will go with a 1 gfx card mobo. Also thanks for the tip on the cpu cooler. I also changed to a gtx 760 4mb. I have changed my newegg wishlist to reflect these changes :) Anything to add about the ssd, hdd, DVD drive, or monitor? As for the case...I found this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119279) but it says it is only compatible with Micro ATX / ATX motherboards. So I have to get a case compatible with my motherboard? Also for processor L3 cache is the difference between 6MB and 8MB noticeable or negligible? I will have to go with a network card. My family has wifi and my computer would be way too far for a cable. Any suggestions on brands/types of network cards? And aren't there internal and external ones?

thanks a bunch and sorry again for the loaded question.
 
I have no link to your wishlist.
1. 2gb of vram is plenty. Read this: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Video-Card-Performance-2GB-vs-4GB-Memory-154/

2. The case will work. It will hold a variety of motherboard sizes.

3. I have yet to see any benchmark documenting the difference between 4/6/8gb of L3 cache. I do not think it is a significant factor.

4. On a wifi card, buy an internal one with a good antenna. The usb dongles seem to have more limited range.

5. On the monitor, spend what you have to to get a good one. You will be looking at it for several builds.
I would look at a 24" with a superior IPS panel. It will have a 178/178 viewing angle.
Monitor speakers are crummy. Plan on a separate speaker system. It need not be expensive.
 

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OK so this is what i have as of now, please let me know about any incompatibilities.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130933
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119279
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104409
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147247
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822236338
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236100 (yes I know built in monitor speakers are generally crummy, but I might want them just in case I forget my speakers if I go to my friends house)
Why is 178/178 viewing angle better than 170/160?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103065

I have yet to pick a cpu so I cannot yet decide on a motherboard, but I would like to get one with on board network card(are they good?). and I will definitely just use the on board sound. For the PSU I think i will go with a seasonic. Do I need a 750W or can I get away with 600W? I cant find wattage info on anything but the GFX card and CPU's. As for the CPU I cannot decide between the i5 3570, i5 4670, i7 3770, or i7 4770 none of which have the (k) because I wont overclock.

Philip if you can please explain why you think the i7 3.5GHz would be best i would appreciate it.

thanks!
 

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OK cant figure out why the links above wont work...sorry. Here are the names of them all if you wish to just copy paste them into new egg to see.

-Cooler Master N300 - Mid Tower Computer Case with Meshed Front Panel
-EVGA 02G-P4-2763-KR GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support w/ EVGA ACX Cooler Video Card
-Kingston HyperX Predator 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 XMP Desktop Memory Model KHX18C10T2K2/16X
-SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
-Western Digital WD Blue WD7500AZEX 750GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive
-ASUS DVD Burner Black SATA Model DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS
-Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heatpipes

thanks again!
 

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OK so here are my final choices(I think). Please help me to understand if they all are compatible (pins, connectors, and sockets are not my forte).

Processor
Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000

GFX card
EVGA 02G-P4-2763-KR GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support w/ EVGA ACX Cooler Video Card

Motherboard
Can someone help me find a motherboard in micro ATX or ATX that does LGA 1155, ddr3 1866 RAM, supports the turbo of the cpu and preferably has onboard wireless LAN. If it would be easier to find a motherboard with these features in some other form factor i am OK with that, even if i have to find a new tower.

thanks!

PSU
SeaSonic M12II 750 SS-750AM2 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Full-modular Power Supply

Case
Cooler Master N300 - Mid Tower Computer Case with Meshed Front Panel

RAM
Kingston HyperX Predator 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 XMP Desktop Memory Model KHX18C10T2K2/16X

SSD
SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

HDD
Western Digital WD Blue WD7500AZEX 750GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive

DVD drive
SAMSUNG DVD Burner SATA Model SH-224DB/BEBE - OEM

CPU cooler
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan

Thank you for all you help thus far and in advance.
if i decide to use the i5 4670 instead would that necessitate a different motherboard/psu etc?
 

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