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October 30, 2013 10:00:47 PM

*Is there a difference between the Intel HD found in the g2020 and the Intel HD 2500 found in the i3-3220?

*Will there be a performance difference between the two when it comes to gaming?

*How many FPS can I get when playing League of Legends @ 720p / Medium Settings / Shadows off? (Answers based from personal experience would be appreciated)

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October 30, 2013 10:32:52 PM

There's not a huge difference, but both graphics cards are terrible. Intel names their graphics cards using a numerical hierarchy. The hierarchy for Intel graphics from best to worst goes as follows:

- HD Graphics 5000
- HD Graphics 4600
- HD Graphics 4400
- HD Graphics 4200
- HD Graphics 4000
- HD Graphics 3000
- HD Graphics (Haswell)
- HD Graphics 2500
- HD Graphics (Ivy Bridge)
- HD Graphics 2000
- HD Graphics (Sandy Bridge)
- HD Graphics (Bay Trail)

The words in parentheses just refer to the architecture/generation, i.e. i3-2xxx was of the Sandy Bridge architecture and came 1 year before the i3-3xxx which is of the more recent Ivy Bridge architecture. The two GPUs in bold are the one's you're debating over. Basically, both are near the bottom of the chart, and both perform very poorly (really, all Intel GPUs perform pretty poorly) so it's hard to say how well they'll perform in League of Legends. But League of Legends is the farthest thing from a demanding game. If I had to guess, I'd say at medium setting at 1280x720, you'll get between 20 - 50 fps for either card. They're both exceptionally crappy.

If I could recommend you a card, I'd actually say stay away from Intel if you're looking at integrated graphics. If you're looking to build a PC, then go with an AMD APU. Graphically, they're leagues ahead of Intel (that league pun wasn't intended).

Here's their best APU (CPU + GPU) so far:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UPDATE: If you really want to stick to Intel though because you currently have an Ivy bridge motherboard or something then I'd say find something with HD 4000 Graphics at least. Here, the i3-3225 is still Ivy bridge and has an HD 4000 GPU which will at least give you more bearable frames in games than either the HD Graphics 2500 or the HD Graphics (Ivy Bridge) could:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UPDATE 2: And obviously, the most optimal thing for you to do would be to actually buy a separate dedicated graphics card. For example, the AMD Radeon HD 6670 combined with whatever CPU you currently have would dominate league. You'd actually save money this way and have a better graphical experience then either of the other suggestions I mentioned:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have no idea why I didn't suggest that earlier. If you're looking for a graphical performance upgrade and you already have a CPU and everything, then the HD 6670 would be your first bet as it's infinitely better than anything Intel has to offer, and it's better than the integrated graphics in the AMD APU I recommended earlier as well.

I guess I should ask, what's your current setup? Because if I know that then I can tell you the best route to go considering your current hardware and what you'd need to upgrade or not upgrade for a good experience in league.
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October 30, 2013 11:06:45 PM

hd graphics 2500 is about 25% faster...
but they aren´t good for gaming...

however in your resolution you will be able to run LOL on med/high with hd 2500 with playable FPS
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October 31, 2013 12:24:43 AM

Deus Gladiorum said:
There's not a huge difference, but both graphics cards are terrible. Intel names their graphics cards using a numerical hierarchy. The hierarchy for Intel graphics from best to worst goes as follows:

- HD Graphics 5000
- HD Graphics 4600
- HD Graphics 4400
- HD Graphics 4200
- HD Graphics 4000
- HD Graphics 3000
- HD Graphics (Haswell)
- HD Graphics 2500
- HD Graphics (Ivy Bridge)
- HD Graphics 2000
- HD Graphics (Sandy Bridge)
- HD Graphics (Bay Trail)

The words in parentheses just refer to the architecture/generation, i.e. i3-2xxx was of the Sandy Bridge architecture and came 1 year before the i3-3xxx which is of the more recent Ivy Bridge architecture. The two GPUs in bold are the one's you're debating over. Basically, both are near the bottom of the chart, and both perform very poorly (really, all Intel GPUs perform pretty poorly) so it's hard to say how well they'll perform in League of Legends. But League of Legends is the farthest thing from a demanding game. If I had to guess, I'd say at medium setting at 1280x720, you'll get between 20 - 50 fps for either card. They're both exceptionally crappy.

If I could recommend you a card, I'd actually say stay away from Intel if you're looking at integrated graphics. If you're looking to build a PC, then go with an AMD APU. Graphically, they're leagues ahead of Intel (that league pun wasn't intended).

Here's their best APU (CPU + GPU) so far:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UPDATE: If you really want to stick to Intel though because you currently have an Ivy bridge motherboard or something then I'd say find something with HD 4000 Graphics at least. Here, the i3-3225 is still Ivy bridge and has an HD 4000 GPU which will at least give you more bearable frames in games than either the HD Graphics 2500 or the HD Graphics (Ivy Bridge) could:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UPDATE 2: And obviously, the most optimal thing for you to do would be to actually buy a separate dedicated graphics card. For example, the AMD Radeon HD 6670 combined with whatever CPU you currently have would dominate league. You'd actually save money this way and have a better graphical experience then either of the other suggestions I mentioned:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have no idea why I didn't suggest that earlier. If you're looking for a graphical performance upgrade and you already have a CPU and everything, then the HD 6670 would be your first bet as it's infinitely better than anything Intel has to offer, and it's better than the integrated graphics in the AMD APU I recommended earlier as well.

I guess I should ask, what's your current setup? Because if I know that then I can tell you the best route to go considering your current hardware and what you'd need to upgrade or not upgrade for a good experience in league.


My setup would be:
CPU: Intel G2020
MOBO: ASrock H61M-VS
RAM: 4x1 AMD 1600 CL9
HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Blue
DVD: HP DVDRW
PSU: Corsair VS450

Case: I will just choose a case once I get to the store.
Video Card: I won't be buying a video card yet. I will be waiting for GeForce 800 series (Maxwell) to come out.

I will wait for the 800 series because Nvidia's CEO said that Maxwell will feature an integrated ARM chip thus making it more independent from the CPU. I asked this question because I plan on playing League of Legends while waiting for Maxwell. I'm not willing to pay $100 for a weak i3 CPU. But, I'm willing to pay $50 for a similarly powerful chip. When the Maxwell comes out, I am hoping that my G2020 will not bottleneck it as it already features it's own ARM chip.

A friend of mine has an i3-3220. He uses the integrated GPU to play League of Legends. He achieves an FPS of 60 when the settings are: 720p / medium / shadows off. I am also hoping that the G2020 will run League of Legends similarly to what the i3-3220 can.

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October 31, 2013 6:28:04 AM
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Malcolm Malcolm said:
Deus Gladiorum said:
There's not a huge difference, but both graphics cards are terrible. Intel names their graphics cards using a numerical hierarchy. The hierarchy for Intel graphics from best to worst goes as follows:

- HD Graphics 5000
- HD Graphics 4600
- HD Graphics 4400
- HD Graphics 4200
- HD Graphics 4000
- HD Graphics 3000
- HD Graphics (Haswell)
- HD Graphics 2500
- HD Graphics (Ivy Bridge)
- HD Graphics 2000
- HD Graphics (Sandy Bridge)
- HD Graphics (Bay Trail)

The words in parentheses just refer to the architecture/generation, i.e. i3-2xxx was of the Sandy Bridge architecture and came 1 year before the i3-3xxx which is of the more recent Ivy Bridge architecture. The two GPUs in bold are the one's you're debating over. Basically, both are near the bottom of the chart, and both perform very poorly (really, all Intel GPUs perform pretty poorly) so it's hard to say how well they'll perform in League of Legends. But League of Legends is the farthest thing from a demanding game. If I had to guess, I'd say at medium setting at 1280x720, you'll get between 20 - 50 fps for either card. They're both exceptionally crappy.

If I could recommend you a card, I'd actually say stay away from Intel if you're looking at integrated graphics. If you're looking to build a PC, then go with an AMD APU. Graphically, they're leagues ahead of Intel (that league pun wasn't intended).

Here's their best APU (CPU + GPU) so far:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UPDATE: If you really want to stick to Intel though because you currently have an Ivy bridge motherboard or something then I'd say find something with HD 4000 Graphics at least. Here, the i3-3225 is still Ivy bridge and has an HD 4000 GPU which will at least give you more bearable frames in games than either the HD Graphics 2500 or the HD Graphics (Ivy Bridge) could:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UPDATE 2: And obviously, the most optimal thing for you to do would be to actually buy a separate dedicated graphics card. For example, the AMD Radeon HD 6670 combined with whatever CPU you currently have would dominate league. You'd actually save money this way and have a better graphical experience then either of the other suggestions I mentioned:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have no idea why I didn't suggest that earlier. If you're looking for a graphical performance upgrade and you already have a CPU and everything, then the HD 6670 would be your first bet as it's infinitely better than anything Intel has to offer, and it's better than the integrated graphics in the AMD APU I recommended earlier as well.

I guess I should ask, what's your current setup? Because if I know that then I can tell you the best route to go considering your current hardware and what you'd need to upgrade or not upgrade for a good experience in league.


My setup would be:
CPU: Intel G2020
MOBO: ASrock H61M-VS
RAM: 4x1 AMD 1600 CL9
HDD: 1TB WD Caviar Blue
DVD: HP DVDRW
PSU: Corsair VS450

Case: I will just choose a case once I get to the store.
Video Card: I won't be buying a video card yet. I will be waiting for GeForce 800 series (Maxwell) to come out.

I will wait for the 800 series because Nvidia's CEO said that Maxwell will feature an integrated ARM chip thus making it more independent from the CPU. I asked this question because I plan on playing League of Legends while waiting for Maxwell. I'm not willing to pay $100 for a weak i3 CPU. But, I'm willing to pay $50 for a similarly powerful chip. When the Maxwell comes out, I am hoping that my G2020 will not bottleneck it as it already features it's own ARM chip.

A friend of mine has an i3-3220. He uses the integrated GPU to play League of Legends. He achieves an FPS of 60 when the settings are: 720p / medium / shadows off. I am also hoping that the G2020 will run League of Legends similarly to what the i3-3220 can.


Promises, promises. It sounds a little too good to be true in my opinion. A GPU with an integrated CPU sounds great, but I still think you should perhaps buy an HD 6670 or a GT 630 considering how cheap they are. Intel HD Graphics, as I stated before, are pretty piss poor. I'll still be surprised if you get anything like a 60 fps average on 1280x720 at medium settings. I have an AMD APU with performance somewhere in between an HD 3000 and an HD 4000, and even with that on 1280x720 with, iirc, medium settings on league I was only getting something like a 45 fps average.
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