New Gaming CPU

Sankea · Oct 31, 2013

Hey all. Wanted to see if anyone had any suggestions on this build.

Things to know -

I stream
My main monitor is a 42Inch and secondary is a 19Inch - Both 1080
Do a little rendering so 2x8GB (16GB)
Budget is capped at $1600
Don't need any peripherals

This build is over the $1600 but got a deal on the PSU for $95.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1VqoJ

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

VERY much overkill PSU. You can drop a lot of there. Unless you plan on going SLI at some point, but your motherboard chosen is not SLI capable.

SOOOOO do you want SLI? If not. There are much cheaper options. As in 60$ cost instead of 95$.
Do you want to overclock since you have chosen the H100i? If so I would suggest a better motherboard, at least a Gigabyte UD4 or equivalent.

Right SO my suggestion is :

Cheaper and FASTER RAM with lower heatsinks that will be less in the way.
Cheaper and more reliable SSD added.
Also added a better motherboard that is SLI capable. If you do not want SLI or overclocking then we need to make more changes.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1VrCL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1VrCL/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1VrCL/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($139.08 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($98.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($395.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.08 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 760W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($163.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($20.20 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.27 @ TigerDirect)
Total: $1639.54
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-31 03:03 EDT-0400)

photonboy · Oct 31, 2013

Hey,

1) The i7 is $100 more than the i5-4670K and won't benefit you much. That extra money could go towards a better graphics card.

2) No need for FOUR sticks when you can get just two (2x8GB). I recommend:
* 2x8GB 1866MHz CAS9 G. Skill

3) 120GB Samsung 840 EVO is better and the Samsung Magician software is really great (update firmware, apply overprovisioning, benchmark, auto-optimize.)

4) GTX780 3GB
This card is now $520; I love my GTX680 OC (same as 770 OC) but there are many times I wish my card was a little better. THIS card: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-03gp42784kr

5) Motherboard:
I can't say much about the board you picked. It may work fine but it's new so few customer reviews. My favorite Z87 board is the Asus Maximum Hero VI which has SupremeFX audio. That adds better sound than any Realtek solution so if audio is important you may wish to consider it: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-maximusvihero

The Hero is $200 but that would be the price of a cheaper motherboard and a sound card.

6) CPU cooler:
- if you really want liquid cooling then for $10 more get the newer model, the H110
- I really like this air cooler which is $50: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-darkknightiisd1283nighthawkedition
- You should do a mild overclock of 4.1GHz or 4.2GHz to the i5-4670K to keep temperatures low and lifetime high.
- **WARNING: many experts recommend REVERSING the fans on liquid coolers to INTAKE air to blow over the CPU voltage regulators as they can get hot with no airflow from a traditional air cooler.

7) Power Supply:
The one you picked is a great power supply, but you can get similar for your needs for much less money. My recommend is THIS one: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120pg0750gr

*If you did get a DEAL on the one you linked for $95 then get it. I saw no evidence of this in your build though.

SUMMARY:
My recommend is save money on the CPU and other places where there's little benefit and put it towards the EVGA 780 3GB. I should add that newer games like BF4 want more than 2GB for optimal performance.

I also have mixed feelings on liquid cooling, and since the i5-4670K heat output is fairly low at 4.2GHz or less my advice is the $50 air cooler Iinked instead. It will probably run quieter as well in normal gaming conditions.

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

photonboy :

Hey,

1) The i7 is $100 more than the i5-4670K and won't benefit you much. That extra money could go towards a better graphics card.

2) No need for FOUR sticks when you can get just two (2x8GB). I recommend:
* 2x8GB 1866MHz CAS9 G. Skill

3) 120GB Samsung 840 EVO is better and the Samsung Magician software is really great (update firmware, apply overprovisioning, benchmark, auto-optimize.)

4) GTX780 3GB
This card is now $520; I love my GTX680 OC (same as 770 OC) but there are many times I wish my card was a little better. THIS card: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-03gp42784kr

5) Motherboard:
I can't say much about the board you picked. It may work fine but it's new so few customer reviews. My favorite Z87 board is the Asus Maximum Hero VI which has SupremeFX audio. That adds better sound than any Realtek solution so if audio is important you may wish to consider it: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-maximusvihero

The Hero is $200 but that would be the price of a cheaper motherboard and a sound card.

6) CPU cooler:
- if you really want liquid cooling then for $10 more get the newer model, the H110
- I really like this air cooler which is $50: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-darkknightiisd1283nighthawkedition
- You should do a mild overclock of 4.1GHz or 4.2GHz to the i5-4670K to keep temperatures low and lifetime high.
- **WARNING: many experts recommend REVERSING the fans on liquid coolers to INTAKE air to blow over the CPU voltage regulators as they can get hot with no airflow from a traditional air cooler.

7) Power Supply:
The one you picked is a great power supply, but you can get similar for your needs for much less money. My recommend is THIS one: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120pg0750gr

*If you did get a DEAL on the one you linked for $95 then get it. I saw no evidence of this in your build though.

SUMMARY:
My recommend is save money on the CPU and other places where there's little benefit and put it towards the EVGA 780 3GB. I should add that newer games like BF4 want more than 2GB for optimal performance.

I also have mixed feelings on liquid cooling, and since the i5-4670K heat output is fairly low at 4.2GHz or less my advice is the $50 air cooler Iinked instead. It will probably run quieter as well in normal gaming conditions.

He streams. A 4770k makes perfect sense.

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

photonboy :

Hey,

1) The i7 is $100 more than the i5-4670K and won't benefit you much. That extra money could go towards a better graphics card.

2) No need for FOUR sticks when you can get just two (2x8GB). I recommend:
* 2x8GB 1866MHz CAS9 G. Skill

3) 120GB Samsung 840 EVO is better and the Samsung Magician software is really great (update firmware, apply overprovisioning, benchmark, auto-optimize.)

4) GTX780 3GB
This card is now $520; I love my GTX680 OC (same as 770 OC) but there are many times I wish my card was a little better. THIS card: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-03gp42784kr

5) Motherboard:
I can't say much about the board you picked. It may work fine but it's new so few customer reviews. My favorite Z87 board is the Asus Maximum Hero VI which has SupremeFX audio. That adds better sound than any Realtek solution so if audio is important you may wish to consider it: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-maximusvihero

The Hero is $200 but that would be the price of a cheaper motherboard and a sound card.

6) CPU cooler:
- if you really want liquid cooling then for $10 more get the newer model, the H110
- I really like this air cooler which is $50: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-darkknightiisd1283nighthawkedition
- You should do a mild overclock of 4.1GHz or 4.2GHz to the i5-4670K to keep temperatures low and lifetime high.
- **WARNING: many experts recommend REVERSING the fans on liquid coolers to INTAKE air to blow over the CPU voltage regulators as they can get hot with no airflow from a traditional air cooler.

7) Power Supply:
The one you picked is a great power supply, but you can get similar for your needs for much less money. My recommend is THIS one: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120pg0750gr

*If you did get a DEAL on the one you linked for $95 then get it. I saw no evidence of this in your build though.

SUMMARY:
My recommend is save money on the CPU and other places where there's little benefit and put it towards the EVGA 780 3GB. I should add that newer games like BF4 want more than 2GB for optimal performance.

I also have mixed feelings on liquid cooling, and since the i5-4670K heat output is fairly low at 4.2GHz or less my advice is the $50 air cooler Iinked instead. It will probably run quieter as well in normal gaming conditions.

He streams. A 4770k makes perfect sense.

photonboy · Oct 31, 2013

Okay, my $1600 build: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
*Based on my discussion above.

STREAMING:
I read that, but he can use the NVidia SHADOWPLAY feature that's out now. Works great. Instead of massively taxing the CPU it uses the NVENC hardware inside the NVidia card.

*You can stream at 1080p @60Hz and the quality is very good.

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

photonboy :

LOL EXACTLY the same as mine...

photonboy · Oct 31, 2013

Novuake :

Um.. are you sure you clicked MY link and not your own? Because almost NOTHING is the same (different motherboard, CPU, graphics card, Power Supply, CPU cooler, case.)

*Forgot the DVD drive in my build though.

Sankea · Oct 31, 2013

The PSU was already bought when they had it at $95 so that's why its in there. Is overkill but at the time I wasn't sure what I was going to need and was looking into SLI setups as well and didn't want the deal to pass. No current plans for SLI. For what I need I shouldn't have to go SLI even down the road with that card. Really only play WoW so that card should get me by for some time I think.

I do like that GPU though. Know people that currently have that card and I'v heard only good things.

Yes the 4770k was for streaming.

I don't know much about the current motherboards so TY for the help and responses!

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

Well the build we provided is better and cheaper. So its a given.

photonboy · Oct 31, 2013

NVidia Shadowplay tested:

Since you stream, I just now decided to BENCHMARK Skyrim which is fairly CPU intensive to see how saving (or streaming) at 1080p 60Hz would impact performance.

I turned VSYNC OFF, then toggled recording ON and OFF to see how much the frame rate would drop.

It didn't drop. For example, in one location I was at 78FPS. I even checked to see if the video was on my hard drive and it was.

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

photonboy :

NVidia Shadowplay tested:

Since you stream, I just now decided to BENCHMARK Skyrim which is fairly CPU intensive to see how saving (or streaming) at 1080p 60Hz would impact performance.

I turned VSYNC OFF, then toggled recording ON and OFF to see how much the frame rate would drop.

It didn't drop. For example, in one location I was at 78FPS. I even checked to see if the video was on my hard drive and it was.

Novuake,
If you're talking to me with this "better and cheaper" comment.

Better:
My build has a GTX780, yours has a GTX770 so games will run better on my build. The i7 isn't needed for streaming. Granted it would perform a little better for video editing but then it depends on what's more important which he doesn't actually state. I also picked a motherboard with BETTER audio so my build has both better video AND audio.

Cheaper:
Your build was $1640 and mine was $1620 if you add in the DVD player.

I don't want to start a war here, but throwing out "well the build we provided is better and cheaper" comes across as a little rude (and not accurate either). Sigh.

Dude calm down. I told him that OUR, as in mine and your build are both cheaper and better than his. Geesh...

photonboy · Oct 31, 2013

Sorry. I shouldn't post at 5AM after being up all night. My fault. I was actually removing it but you saw it too quickly.

I also seem to have screwed up my link somehow and it's BLANK so I need to repost it.

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

I have a pony avatar. I would not attack you just because you chose to suggest something else.

photonboy · Oct 31, 2013

My REAL build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1VsMh

Optional: this MSI GTX770 is almost $200 less than the 780 if that's a factor: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n770tf2gd5oc

Other:
- these are the included GAMES for the 770 or 780:
Assassin's Creed IV,
Batman: Arkham Origins,
Splinter Cell: Blacklist

*No PSU because he bought that already.
(I accidentally copied the wrong link before.)

Sankea · Oct 31, 2013

I think the 780 would be overkill for what I'm doing. I only play WoW and I feel like that's more CPU then GPU.

ShadowPlay has yet to implement there live stream support (which may be awesome or might not be so awesome) and that's what I do.

I render much less then I play but money aside wouldn't the i7 be better overall for what I'm doing then the i5? Streaming, the little rendering I do do, and playing WoW?

Sankea · Oct 31, 2013

I think the 780 would be overkill for what I'm doing. I only play WoW and I feel like that's more CPU then GPU.

ShadowPlay has yet to implement there live stream support (which may be awesome or might not be so awesome) and that's what I do.

I render much less then I play but money aside wouldn't the i7 be better overall for what I'm doing then the i5? Streaming, the little rendering I do do, and playing WoW?

Novuake · Oct 31, 2013

Sankea :

WoW, no, rendering and streaming, yes.

Sankea · Oct 31, 2013

So am going to go with

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($139.08 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($98.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($395.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.08 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 760W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($163.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($20.20 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.27 @ TigerDirect)
Total: $1639.54
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-31 03:03 EDT-0400)

But swapping the motherboard for an Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard.

Last question is the G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory compatible with this CPU and Motherboard? If not whats comparable that will?

photonboy · Oct 31, 2013

Memory compatibility: YES

Recommended change:
The MSI GTX 770 I linked is $330 and basically identical to the Asus 770 in performance, cooling, noise. Prices just dropped and the Asus is slightly overpriced now:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n770tf2gd5oc

i7 editing:
The i7 can process up to 30% faster than the i5. Probably closer to 15% overall. I have the i7-3770K and disabled HT to test (same as i5-3570K then). Tested with Handbrake which can max.

*Nice system. Basically IDENTICAL to mine so if you have a quick question on any game performance or recommended settings feel free to ask.
**don't forget to get Start8 if you want.

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