Overclocking Noob Guide

amplitz

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Can someone point me out to where I can study and learn how to overclock. I'm new here and I want to learn. There's a saying, "If you can do it on your own why ask help for others" LOL. So yeah. I want to learn for future purposes. My planned specs are a supercombo I found in Newegg,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1351791


Would everything be enough? Should I buy additional parts? or the bundle sucks and I shouldnt take it? Lol. And I'm planning on adding a Sapphire 7770 1GB DDR5Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance and Happy Halloween everyone!!
 
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Overclock in small steps.
- Test at each step.
- Repeat if stable.
- Reduce clock speed if not stable.
- Consider increasing voltage and cooling *slightly* if unstable, as you may be able to ramp up the clock speed significantly with small voltage increases... so long as cooling is adequate.

There's an algorithm for the amount of power required to run at a given clock speed, relative to the known good stable voltage/current and clock speed. However it may not be practical to use this with <= 45nm fabricated processors. (We're already well below 45nm now).

Just because a system can POST, boot, load Windows, load the Desktop, run Explorer, etc. does not mean that it is stable. (The processor and/or RAM could be defective...

TheLastDoomguy

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Overclock in small steps.
- Test at each step.
- Repeat if stable.
- Reduce clock speed if not stable.
- Consider increasing voltage and cooling *slightly* if unstable, as you may be able to ramp up the clock speed significantly with small voltage increases... so long as cooling is adequate.

There's an algorithm for the amount of power required to run at a given clock speed, relative to the known good stable voltage/current and clock speed. However it may not be practical to use this with <= 45nm fabricated processors. (We're already well below 45nm now).

Just because a system can POST, boot, load Windows, load the Desktop, run Explorer, etc. does not mean that it is stable. (The processor and/or RAM could be defective, overclocking too far 'simulates' this somewhat).

There is a point at which circuits just cannot switch any faster for a given voltage, and given amount of energy output as heat, without destroying themselves.


Generally higher voltages let transistors switch faster, but you can't just run a < 22nm processor die at 5 volts (for example) to achieve high clock speeds as the chip would fail.

Processors are generally safe 'up to' 90 Celsius, however most people are not comfortable running near the edge and so many suggest limiting the peak temperature to 72C to 80C. This also helps with headroom as the ambient temperature in most rooms is not a constant year to year.

Power Supply Units lose efficiency over time, and if you're drawing more power (current is amperage, volts is voltage, wattage is the two multiplied for namesake) then you may 'one day' find the PSU is not outputting enough power (internally, DC) to be stable... whereas a year ago it was all OK.


In the 'old days' people used MemTest86, MemTest86+, Prime95, etc. to test that their processor and/or FSB (or BCLK) overclock was stable.

There are tools that check for artifacts when rendering with an overclocked GPU.

Generally running a part at max load for over 21 minutes is going to give a good indication if it's stable or not. That said your system should be stable when ALL parts are running at their 'new' max loads 'at the same time'.

Going past 21 minutes of testing, excluding RAM, doesn't help significantly, you could run for 72 hours and still not be 100% certain an overclock is 100% stable. However if it's >= 99.999,999,999,975% stable then 'for the most part' it's an acceptable overclock that is highly unlikely to cause problems.

Yes, all those 9's count, otherwise you'll notice issues at load within minutes.


Different parts of a system may require voltage tweaks to get processors to overclock.

Reading up on RAM timings and how they relate to clock speed is also a good start.
- A 16 tick wait at 1600 MHz is the same amount of time as a 4 tick wait at 400 MHz.
- Once that 1600 MHz 'memory' starts transferring some useful data it's performance would be 'up to' four times better though.

Overclocking is more about the relationship between TIME, VOLTAGE and HEAT than CLOCK-SPEED, VOLTAGE and HEAT.

A linear increase in clock speed generally requires more than a linear increase in voltage to achieve, as such power efficiency drops as you scale a given component to higher clock speeds.

i.e. You may need to 'up to' double power just to get a +41.42% overclock. Assuming the part doesn't melt as it was heavily under 'powered' to begin with.

If you need more than double the power to gain less than or equal to +41.42% more clock speed you're going to melt your component (probably), with <= 45nm parts this is far more likely at a much lower spec.

Most people never go past a +16.667% increase in voltage (relative to stock or 'reference' voltages).

Don't be greedy or stupid, it's far easier than people think and the typical worse case is just going to require using the CLEAR CMOS jumper on your motherboard to get BIOS defaults back.


I think that's about it, there should be some old guides in the forums somewhere with more specific info.
 
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amplitz

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Dang, that's a lot of information to filter and study so to summarize everything you said, what I need is the perfect voltage for my system that can withstand the heat and to set things stable I need to do plenty of testing which doesn't and will doubtedly give me a 100% stable system. I'm curious where do learn all this stuff? I mean, obviously you're well aware of what you're doing. Can you give me tips on where I can study it deeper? This will be my first time to mess with my system, I don't wanna ruin at all.

Again, Thank you for the information it's very much appreciated!
 

Jake Wenta

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You will not damage you're system if you stay within thermal limits and take it little by little. If you over do it, OYU will damage your hardware. You do it improperly, you will corrupt windows files.
If you have Win8 or 8.1, turn of Fast Boot, because I forgot to when overclocking RAM. It stores OS in RAM for a semi hibernate option, for a faster boot. But when OC'ing RAM, and failing to post can cause Corruptions to the Data stored in the RAM and cause poor writings and require re installing the Windows OS. (Personal mistake... haha) So make sure it is off.
Another thing, on stock cooling, you can't get too far in the overclock-you will be thermally bound to a certain safe zone. You can always surpass this, as not many PC's will be under this load constantly-but not at all recommended. (But some people do it)

And I am familiar with AMD OCing. The VCCIO on Intel is CPU/NB on AMD. The SpeedStep for Intel is Cool n Quiet on AMD.
There's more. But when you get your PC you can ask how to OC.
But for that build, I recommend this:
1GB vRAM wouldn't be sufficient enough for games like Skyrim and BF.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme3 ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($78.49 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: OCZ ZT 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $590.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-02 02:44 EDT-0400)

Please note that I've included everything except peripherals and an OS and I forgot a HDD -whoops (It's 3AM :p).

And if closer to 500 suits your needs:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.75 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7790 1GB Video Card ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: OCZ ZT 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $525.64
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-02 02:51 EDT-0400)