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November 2, 2013 10:12:06 PM

Hi all,

I recently purchased my 'dream' machine (she's not quite done just yet) and I've installed Windows 64-bit, drivers, updates a million times over. I starting playing my League of Legends on it, noticing that with default settings, I was getting quite good FPS 70s-80s and thinking it could handle it, bumbped it up to the highest settings possible. Massive drop in FPS probably lucky to get 40s-50s atleast at a stable rate.

Thinking it was my ping, ISP etc. I updated some drivers and made sure that my ethernet cable was not the problem (atleast I hope). Nothing. I began playing Skyrim a few days ago and, again, thinking it could handle the highest settings, bumped it up to Ultra, since most good quality $1500-$2000 computers can run Skyrim no sweat. Same answer.

Low, jittery FPS and this time I was certain that my computer is the problem, as Skyrim does not connect online. I successfully (I think, first time overclocking) OC'd my CPU from 3.4 to 4.5Ghz, which was rated lowest by WEI (even though that means nothing).

I'm beginning to think that my Graphics card cannot handle the games I am playing however it is a very new model designed to take things to the max. This is my build so far, if you have any comments or questions that could help me out, that'd be great! I just want my dream computer to run how it should!

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CPU: 1 x Intel Core i7 4930K Processor @4.5Ghx (From 3.4Ghz)
MoBo: ASUS P9X79 WS LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0
RAM/Memory: Corsair CML16GX3M2A1600C10B Corsair 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3, 1600MHz, 10-10-10-27
SSD: Samsung 256GB 2.5-inch SSD 840 Pro Series
HDD: Seagate Constellation CS ST3000NC000 3.5" 3TB Enterprise
GPU: ASUS GTX780 OC Edition (GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5)
Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H100i Extreme Performance CPU Cooler
PSU: Seasonic 1250w Power Supply Unit

And not that it matters:
SC: Creative Sound Blaster Recon3D THX PCIE Fatal1ty Pro Sound Card
CC: NZXT Phantom 820 White Steel/Plastic ATX Full Tower
CD/DVD Drive: Liteon 24X SATA Dual Layer DVD-Rewriter - BLACK - OEM With Nero
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It'd be great if I could get an expert(s) opinion on what may be bottlenecking my computer or why it is not running how it should. I can try out more games if anybody thinks that those particular games are the problem. Before any questions on why I bought such an expensive computer it's because I have had strings of terrible computers in the past and wanted to be able to do anything at the highest quality with great frames without a problem. Seems that didn't work out now did it? Anyway, I would greatly appreciate any information to help me out. Thanks.

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November 2, 2013 10:15:54 PM

What resolution are you playing these games at and what operating system are you using?
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November 2, 2013 10:18:43 PM

superfreestyleer said:
What resolution are you playing these games at and what operating system are you using?


Each of these are at 1920x1080 (Native Resolution) and I'm running Windows 7 64-bit

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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 10:19:06 PM

What is your resolution?

A single GPU, even a 780, isn't going to get extremely good FPS on max settings in most games. You spent a lot of money on bells and whistles, but you are still with a single GPU core, there is only so much you can expect.

The first setting that is usually too high, when people do as you do, is AA. Drop it down to something reasonable, like MSAA x4.
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November 2, 2013 10:22:56 PM

bystander said:
What is your resolution?

A single GPU, even a 780, isn't going to get extremely good FPS on max settings in most games. You spent a lot of money on bells and whistles, but you are still with a single GPU core, there is only so much you can expect.

The first setting that is usually too high, when people do as you do, is AA. Drop it down to something reasonable, like MSAA x4.


Fair enough. I would not know the first thing about altering my AA, or enabling/diabling MSAA.

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November 2, 2013 10:24:30 PM

Those are in game settings that you can usually change within the same menu as changing the resolution
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November 2, 2013 10:29:45 PM

superfreestyleer said:
Those are in game settings that you can usually change within the same menu as changing the resolution


Skyrim does not have the option to enable/disable Anti Aliasing and from LoL's perspective, I have tried with/without AA and with/without V-sync to no avail.So, from what I've gathered so far: My GPU is bottlenecking my computer, should I overclock it? Would that help?
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 10:33:21 PM

Skyrim has an option to change AA from the launcher before you enter the game, assuming you are getting that screen, if not, go to the folder and run skyrimlauncher.exe. From there you can adjust the settings. Another issue with Skyrim is it forces v-sync on, so you are limited to 60 FPS if your monitor is a typical 60hz monitor. You have to go into the Nvidia Control panel to force v-sync off, if you want to do that.
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November 2, 2013 10:35:31 PM

bystander said:
Skyrim has an option to change AA from the launcher before you enter the game, assuming you are getting that screen, if not, go to the folder and run skyrimlauncher.exe. From there you can adjust the settings. Another issue with Skyrim is it forces v-sync on, so you are limited to 60 FPS if your monitor is a typical 60hz monitor. You have to go into the Nvidia Control panel to force v-sync off, if you want to do that.


Me jumping to conclusions, I disabled AA in the advanced settings and I'm still getting low fps and lag on Ultra.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 10:39:33 PM

1. Run Game at settings you are finding low FPS.
2. Run Fraps while gaming.
3. Give it 4-5 runs on different scenarios and maps.
4. Try Steps 1 , 2 , 3 on multiple games.
5. If results are below 30FPS , try dropping AA as it wont change the game , and retry Step 4.
6. If results are below 45 FPS , try OCing the GPU as much as you can and retry Step 4.

If the above don't work , try the GeForce Experience. It will set stuff right for the latest games and give you considerable FPS.
Also what Output are you using for the monitor ? It ought to be HDMI ( best ) or DVI. D-Sub or VGA will also cause troubles as it might drop the frames.
Also update to latest *NVIDIA* drivers instead of ASUS Drivers. It may cause issues as well.

links -
GeForce Experience - http://www.nvidia.com/geforce-experience/
NVIDIA Driver - http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/68799 ; all driver - http://www.geforce.com/drivers
Fraps - http://www.fraps.com/download.php
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 10:42:34 PM

Give me a sec , is something underclocking the GPU ? Remember , did ya use ASUS's crap GPU Tweak or something like a OCing Software or did you tweak something in the BIOS. Anything ?
Also on which slot of the motherboard is the GPU connected. It has to be the 3.0x16 slot of the mobo.
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November 2, 2013 10:43:07 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
1. Run Game at settings you are finding low FPS.
2. Run Fraps while gaming.
3. Give it 4-5 runs on different scenarios and maps.
4. Try Steps 1 , 2 , 3 on multiple games.
5. If results are below 30FPS , try dropping AA as it wont change the game , and retry Step 4.
6. If results are below 45 FPS , try OCing the GPU as much as you can and retry Step 4.


If the above don't work , try the GeForce Experience. It will set stuff right for the latest games and give you considerable FPS.
Also what Output are you using for the monitor ? It ought to be HDMI ( best ) or DVI. D-Sub or VGA will also cause troubles as it might drop the frames.
Also update to latest *NVIDIA* drivers instead of ASUS Drivers. It may cause issues as well.

links -
GeForce Experience - http://www.nvidia.com/geforce-experience/
NVIDIA Driver - http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/68799 ; all driver - http://www.geforce.com/drivers
Fraps - http://www.fraps.com/download.php


I have forced disable of AA and V-sync through Nvidia Control Panel. For the rest: will do. I will update the thread ASAP with results.
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November 2, 2013 10:49:10 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
Give me a sec , is something underclocking the GPU ? Remember , did ya use ASUS's crap GPU Tweak or something like a OCing Software or did you tweak something in the BIOS. Anything ?
Also on which slot of the motherboard is the GPU connected. It has to be the 3.0x16 slot of the mobo.


I haven't used GPU tweak (other than disabling it at startup) but I did overclock my CPU through the BIOS from 3.4 to 4.5 Ghz. Regarding the slot, I am certain that the CPU is plugged into the correct slot.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 11:02:24 PM

I said GPU. CPU can be putted only one way , right ? Unless your in mood to break your pin.......

Anyways another possibility is that you disable HT while OCing the CPU which can cause a drop the frames. But considering you had tried it later , it might not just be the case. Try seating the GPU in every one of the PCI-e 3.0x16/8 slot. A defective slot can cause reduced speed or performance drop.

If you want to check GPU clock and OC them try EVGA Precision X or MSI Afterburner.

links -
EVGA Precision X - http://www.evga.com/precision/
MSI Afterburner - http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 11:06:18 PM

With the CPU he has, HT will not effect the games he mentioned, even if he had the standard quad i7, it wouldn't be an issue with Skyrim (he has a hexacore i7).

Can you find out what your FPS are in Skyrim? Skyrim has had issues with mouse lag, not related to FPS.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 11:10:09 PM

Hi,
I think you do have an issue. I have a GTX680 OC'd and I never drop below 60FPS in Skyrim with everything max, the Official HD texture pack as well as FXAA anti-aliasing forced in the NCP.

I can even maintain 60FPS at 2560x1440 most of the time but it stutters a bit.

A few questions/comments:

1) For now, click "XMP" in your mobo BIOS and use the stock CPU and RAM settings.

2) run MEMTEST for at least one hour www.memtest.org

3) update your mobo BIOS if an update exists (maybe do this FIRST as you'll need to redo some settings).

4) Drivers. Just confirming which ones you installed:
- MAIN CHIPSET (motherboard)
- SATA and other (motherboard)
- audio software (shouldn't matter)
- NVidia from their main site.
*For drivers, the most important is the MAIN CHIPSET for the motherboard and the NVidia drivers.

5) I own 3DMark Vantage. There's a DEMO on Steam so if you get that and post results I'll compare to my PC which you should easily beat.

I'll think a little more on the issue.
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November 2, 2013 11:22:25 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
I said GPU. CPU can be putted only one way , right ? Unless your in mood to break your pin.......

Anyways another possibility is that you disable HT while OCing the CPU which can cause a drop the frames. But considering you had tried it later , it might not just be the case. Try seating the GPU in every one of the PCI-e 3.0x16/8 slot. A defective slot can cause reduced speed or performance drop.

If you want to check GPU clock and OC them try EVGA Precision X or MSI Afterburner.

links -
EVGA Precision X - http://www.evga.com/precision/
MSI Afterburner - http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm


Apologies, I did mean GPU. Forgive my lack of knowledge when it comes to GPUs, what is HT? I wil OC my GPU if need be.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 11:23:35 PM

Skyrim:
I thought you implied less than 60FPS in Skyrim so I assumed you'd disabled VSync. Maybe I'm confused.

How to disable VSync if game shows no option:
1) Open NVidia Control Panel
2) click "manage 3D settings" then "ADD" and Skyrim should be a choice if you just launched it
3) once added, scroll down to VSYNC settings, turn it OFF and click APPLY

Now start FRAPS, Skryim and report the frame rate you see. Have Skyrim set to EVERYTHING MAXED.
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November 2, 2013 11:25:58 PM

bystander said:
With the CPU he has, HT will not effect the games he mentioned, even if he had the standard quad i7, it wouldn't be an issue with Skyrim (he has a hexacore i7).

Can you find out what your FPS are in Skyrim? Skyrim has had issues with mouse lag, not related to FPS.


I just did a quick run through with Skyrim, focusing on subjects that, although moving, are away from everything else (e.g. looking into running water) will give me 30-35 fps, while moving about (e.g. from the exit of the starting cave to Riverwood) while give 15-20 fps i'f I'm lucky. Inside small buildings gives great fps (60-85) and larger ones (such as the riverwood inn) yields around 45-60 fps. Definitely not mouse lag, I'm using fraps.
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November 2, 2013 11:27:11 PM

photonboy said:
Skyrim:
I thought you implied less than 60FPS in Skyrim so I assumed you'd disabled VSync. Maybe I'm confused.

How to disable VSync if game shows no option:
1) Open NVidia Control Panel
2) click "manage 3D settings" then "ADD" and Skyrim should be a choice if you just launched it
3) once added, scroll down to VSYNC settings, turn it OFF and click APPLY

Now start FRAPS, Skryim and report the frame rate you see. Have Skyrim set to EVERYTHING MAXED.


I have done this, results are above in reply to bystander.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 2, 2013 11:34:56 PM

SKYRIM RESULTS:

Riverwood-> 120FPS average (89FPS lowest)
*I just ran around Riverwood as that's near the start of the game.

I have everything at MAXIMUM, 1920x1080, and the Official HD texture Pack which drops performance a small amount.
(FXAA isn't force on and oddly I can't anymore. Whatever.)

My system:
GTX680
i7-3770K @4.1GHz
16GB DDR3 @2133MHz

Your 780 should average 20% faster than mine. Your CPU is better and RAM won't really matter.

**It almost sounds like your graphics card is stuck in 2D mode. See what happens if you set Skyrim to "prefer maximum performance" in the NCP.

You can MONITOR your GPU frequency by downloading the proper Asus software (Asus GPU Tweak). If it shows 1000MHz or whatever your clock is supposed to be then that's not the issue. If it shows under 600MHz you have a problem with the card.

*careful with monitoring. If you Alt-Tab out of a game it might default to 2D mode however you'll see a HISTORY. Play for a few minutes then just CLOSE the game with Asus GPU Tweak already running and look at the GPU frequency history.

My IDLE clock is 324MHz, when I game it jumps to 1201MHz.
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November 3, 2013 12:01:49 AM

@photonboy

Are you referring to Boost Clock or Memory Clock because there is no GPU Frequency (I scrolled down)
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November 3, 2013 12:22:11 AM

MSI Afterburner just crashed my computer and skyrim fps is no better (or worse). Where can I go from here? Where should I OC my GPU to using MSI? Did I go too far? I can't remember what I OC'd it to but it was high.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 3, 2013 12:59:42 AM

What did you OC ? Core Speed or Memory Speed ?
What Voltage was given ? What was the Fan Speed ?
How did it crash ? Freezed, BSODed , or hanged up or just went down ?
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November 3, 2013 1:05:13 AM

CommentariesAnd More said:
What did you OC ? Core Speed or Memory Speed ?
What Voltage was given ? What was the Fan Speed ?
How did it crash ? Freezed, BSODed , or hanged up or just went down ?


A good way to answer that is basically I moved everyhting to half way and clicked apply, it didn't BSOD, but both my monitors went blue with no text or anythign and I restarted the computer and now it's fine. I OC'd my GPU using MSI. I OC'd both core and memory speed, assuming a did something incorrectly. I just really wish that my computer would run as best as possible. I don't see how this guy with worse specifications gets a better FPS than I do...
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a b 4 Gaming
November 3, 2013 1:16:05 AM

GPU frequency:
Click the icon in the LOWER LEFT of Asus' GPU Tweak utility.

(You shouldn't be overclocking your graphics card necessarily. Your performance is so low something else is going on. Confirm your GPU frequency as I discussed and see if it's stuck too low.)

Set your GPU back to its default frequency for now.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 3, 2013 2:24:24 AM

IDK why , but know I am starting to think you have a bad install of Skyrim. Try reinstalling the game. If it doesn't help , inform the seller of these parts about what has been happening. Then try to call a local computer guy ( from a reputable store if possible ) Ask him to try to test. If he can help you with the issue . good. Else run the stress testes your self and find whats wrong.
Stress Test -
CPU - IBT - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/IntelBur...
GPU - 3DMark ( can post and compare results with others too ) - http://www.futuremark.com/support/downloads
RAM - MemTest - http://www.memtest86.com

In 3DMark , run all tests and make sure FPS are above 75 in any test except Physics , where it should be around 50.
In IBT , run 20 runs and check for consistency. If there is a difference of no more than 2.5-4 in every test , CPU is fine. Read the manual , it really helps for this app.
IDK about MemTest , its just that I've heard.

Anyways , bout OCing , the GTX 780 is a poor OCer , dont take i above 1000MHz on either base or boost clocks in terms of core clock. I would stay below 950 TBH , as its a expensive GPU , one I wouldnt like to mess a lot with................
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a b 4 Gaming
November 3, 2013 2:28:51 AM

Wait , you said BOTH , that means you are using two monitors ??
If thats true , you ought to get low FPS...............

Even a GTX 690 will sort of struggle with dual 1080p monitors , forget your 780..........
I think you spent a lot on those fancy SSDs , PSUs , even the CPU , RAM and mobo , now you will have to pay for that.................
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November 3, 2013 6:07:42 AM

CommentariesAnd More said:
Wait , you said BOTH , that means you are using two monitors ??
If thats true , you ought to get low FPS...............

Even a GTX 690 will sort of struggle with dual 1080p monitors , forget your 780..........
I think you spent a lot on those fancy SSDs , PSUs , even the CPU , RAM and mobo , now you will have to pay for that.................


I have tried using both monitors by themselves. Both the one connected via HDMI and the one connected by DVI result in no rise in FPS. I should not have to get another Gtx 780 to lift this rig off of the ground, one of my friends has a worse setup with a single 780 and can run Skyrim on Ultra at about 100-120 FPS so I see no reason that the 78 could not surpass that. I believe that the 780 is broken, I will report this information to the seller and ask for another 780 after returning this one as well. I am going to do some last tests to pull at strings but I'm not getting my fingers crossed. Will reinstall but I doubt it'll make a difference. as LoL appears to follow the same pattern.
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November 3, 2013 6:14:39 AM

photonboy said:
GPU frequency:
Click the icon in the LOWER LEFT of Asus' GPU Tweak utility.

(You shouldn't be overclocking your graphics card necessarily. Your performance is so low something else is going on. Confirm your GPU frequency as I discussed and see if it's stuck too low.)

Set your GPU back to its default frequency for now.


Maybe I'm overlooking something because I see no 'GPU Frequency' anyway in the GPU Tweak software. There are three buttons: 'Advanced/Basic', 'Monitor' and 'Benchmark'. 'Benchmark says 'Cannot open application!', Monitor just shows CPU Usage etc. and the 'Basic/Advanced' button just removes some options that were already in clear view. Unless of course you mean the GPU Info setting, in which case you'd have to point out where the frequency is displayed because I cannot determine it for myself.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 3, 2013 6:56:57 AM

Can you please , please upload pics of the PC from inside ? I would appreciate that.

Also a broken GPU wouldn't have booted in the first place.
My only concern now are the mainboard ( faulty lanes , wrong connection , etc ) , GPU ( underclocking itself ) and CPU ( disabled cores )
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November 3, 2013 1:14:19 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
Can you please , please upload pics of the PC from inside ? I would appreciate that.

Also a broken GPU wouldn't have booted in the first place.
My only concern now are the mainboard ( faulty lanes , wrong connection , etc ) , GPU ( underclocking itself ) and CPU ( disabled cores )


Sure, but I don't know if you can diagnose the cord connections just by observing my computer through half-decent photos from my phone.

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November 3, 2013 11:06:56 PM

CrystalArcane said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
Can you please , please upload pics of the PC from inside ? I would appreciate that.

Also a broken GPU wouldn't have booted in the first place.
My only concern now are the mainboard ( faulty lanes , wrong connection , etc ) , GPU ( underclocking itself ) and CPU ( disabled cores )


Sure, but I don't know if you can diagnose the cord connections just by observing my computer through half-decent photos from my phone.

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I'll try. Put em up and link it or post it :) 
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a b 4 Gaming
November 4, 2013 12:34:37 AM

Temperature on the GPU under load?
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November 4, 2013 6:39:27 AM

CommentariesAnd More said:
CrystalArcane said:
CommentariesAnd More said:
Can you please , please upload pics of the PC from inside ? I would appreciate that.

Also a broken GPU wouldn't have booted in the first place.
My only concern now are the mainboard ( faulty lanes , wrong connection , etc ) , GPU ( underclocking itself ) and CPU ( disabled cores )


Sure, but I don't know if you can diagnose the cord connections just by observing my computer through half-decent photos from my phone.

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I'll try. Put em up and link it or post it :) 


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EDIT: I tested the GPU on another thread and there was no change, I borrowed a friend's gtx 590 and I had around the same fps, probably a little les as the card is worse. I also installed Skyrim onto my HDD to no avail and ran Memtest for 6 hours, I got a lot of errors (red information) but couldn't record any info as it crashed.
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November 4, 2013 6:41:01 AM

cats_Paw said:
Temperature on the GPU under load?


I am getting 40 then 42 stable (in celsius, of course)
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a b 4 Gaming
November 4, 2013 8:01:08 AM

What ??????
You had errors in MemTest , and the test failed ?
So there you have it , the culprit is the memory......
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November 4, 2013 2:29:11 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
What ??????
You had errors in MemTest , and the test failed ?
So there you have it , the culprit is the memory......


Huh, maybe it is. Where can I go from here? Should I use Memtest again and take a photo of the results along the way so that we know what's going on? Or can we already fix it using something else? Furthermore, is it a hardware or a driver issue? I am awful with memory.

EDIT I captures the settings in CPU-Z and they are as follows:

http://

Do I need to reset any settings for memory in the BIOS? What settings should I have? Do I need to test the motherboard Memory slots and the RAM sticks separately? Maybe it's just a timings issue.

*EDIT: Ran Memtest for 4 hours after moving RAM sticks into alternate spot and have received no errors so far
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a b 4 Gaming
November 5, 2013 1:49:58 AM

Hmm , I am now thinking its a bad memory controller ( which is in the CPU ) or the memory slot of the motherboard then.
Generally if it boots up , mem is fine. Try gaming with memory on these slots then.
Also your running dual channel memory BTW. It should have been quad channel. I mean you should have 4 slots occupied. Could be reason you failing , but I really dont think so..........
I seriously think you should try a checkup. What happened to 3DMark ? Did ya try ? It can seriously help to know if the GPUs wrong ( by comparing GPU score to other's score with the same GPU ) And dont forget IntelBurnTest ( IBT ) thse two tests are also pretty important. It will help to know the culprit.
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November 5, 2013 9:55:39 PM

CommentariesAnd More said:
Hmm , I am now thinking its a bad memory controller ( which is in the CPU ) or the memory slot of the motherboard then.
Generally if it boots up , mem is fine. Try gaming with memory on these slots then.
Also your running dual channel memory BTW. It should have been quad channel. I mean you should have 4 slots occupied. Could be reason you failing , but I really dont think so..........
I seriously think you should try a checkup. What happened to 3DMark ? Did ya try ? It can seriously help to know if the GPUs wrong ( by comparing GPU score to other's score with the same GPU ) And dont forget IntelBurnTest ( IBT ) thse two tests are also pretty important. It will help to know the culprit.


Ran IBT for 15 hours and got this as a result:
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On the phone to the guys that organised the parts for me right now and seeing what's going on.

EDIT: They wanted me to downgrade to direct x 10, but 11 is backwards-compatible with the older versions, right? Then he wanted me to screencap my Skyrim settings and GPU specs, as if he didn't already know.
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November 6, 2013 2:43:15 AM

3D Mark:
Ice Storm: 200+ pretty much constantly, reaching 300 frequently Physx was about 15-25 FPS
Cloud Gate: 50-100 FPS, dropping below 75 frequently - bad AA, lots of jumping edges. 2nd graphics test was above 150FPS at times. Physx was 1.5-7 FPS
Fire Strike: 2-10 FPS, 2nd test: 15-29 FPS 33 towards end, 3rd test: 16-27 FPS. Physx: 1.9-2.3FPS combined test: 1.9-5 FPS
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a b 4 Gaming
November 7, 2013 12:44:00 AM

The final score ????
You can find it on the "get results" or something like that.
I'm on a vacation , cant help properly.
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a b 4 Gaming
November 7, 2013 10:34:04 AM

(PRINT ME?)

Hi again,
I still think you have a problem with the GPU stuck in 2D mode, however your MEMORY ERRORS probably resulted in severe data corruption especially if you had them when you installed Windows.

I apologize if I suggest something already tried. I have difficulties with reading computer screens and can easily skip things.

BIOS UPDATE:
*Here's what the motherboard site says about the latest BIOS from last month:
"BIOS 4404 for P9X79 WS released to public
1. Improved system compatibility.
2. Fix compatibility for Kinesis Anvantage USB keyboard.
3. Improve compatibility for multi-core CPU.
4. Patch compatibility for some Kingston modules.
5. Update IRST OpRom to 3.8.0.1029.

*If your BIOS version is 1305 or older: Go to BIOS-Utilities to download and install the BIOS Converter utility before updating the BIOS."

(I may have missed it, but I saw no mention of you updating the BIOS recently).

I think you really need to REINSTALL WINDOWS. I suggest you PRINT THIS for ease of reference. I'll stay with you to resolve this as long as you keep this alive or you PM me if you want one-on-one help.

Memory comment:
*usually when you have TWO STICKS, the motherboard manual suggests two specific slots to be used such as the BLUE ones but not the BLACK ONES. I suppose this might be different between motherboards. As long as you have good performance and no errors, but look at the motherboard manual again to see what it says in regards to which slots to use.

Two sticks should be in:
B1 and D1 (page 2-5)

*If you have a SPARE DRIVE, then do THIS:
1) Hookup ONLY the spare drive and DVD drive
2) Install Windows as per below (but don't install any programs you don't need yet)
3) DO NOT ACTIVATE!

If you do so, carefully backup any data etc.

REINSTALL WINDOWS:

1. Copy any data to an external drive or disc.
2. Write down any passwords.
3. Write down the names of programs you wish to reinstall.
4. MOVE your Steam folder data so you don't have to reinstall it.
*I can LINK you to the Steam site that explains this. For now you can just copy/paste unless it's already on a secondary partition.

5. Reinstall Windows.
6. Reinstall Drivers (motherboard Main Chipset from support site, USB3, SATA, audio etc as applicable)
7. Microsoft Updates.
8. Reinstall Programs (you made a LIST?)
9. Sort out Steam

Then:
1. TEST one or more games.
2. If problem NOT solved, then more troubleshooting needed (possibly odd glitch forcing 2D mode in card?)
3. ACTIVATE WINDOWS again. (always done LAST once you confirm everything is working)
4. Once problem SOLVED, create a BACKUP IMAGE (Windows Image, or better yet Acronis True Image).
*Never delete the FIRST Image backup of the Windows drive. Create a 2nd backup later and REPLACE it periodically but always KEEP the first backup as viruses or data corruption can creep in over time that you don't notice.

**So hopefully at this point you have a fully working system and an IMAGE BACKUP in case of future software issues so you can easily RESTORE (after saving any data since the Image was created).


SUMMARY:
1) ensure RAM sticks in proper slots (pg 2-5 of motherboard manual. B1 and D1?)
2) run MEMTEST again if moving memory
3) BIOS update if needed.
4) Reinstall Windows recommended as bad memory can cause data corruption
5) Steam, if installed can be MOVED https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=741...
6) Still think card is stuck in 2D mode (lower performance and low GPU temp) but that may be a data corruption issue that reinstalling Windows may solve.

7) Asus' GPU Tweak DOES show the GPU frequency among other things (lower left of main screen shows a small rectangle with a wavy line; click that).
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photonboy said:
(PRINT ME?)

Hi again,
I still think you have a problem with the GPU stuck in 2D mode, however your MEMORY ERRORS probably resulted in severe data corruption especially if you had them when you installed Windows.

I apologize if I suggest something already tried. I have difficulties with reading computer screens and can easily skip things.

BIOS UPDATE:
*Here's what the motherboard site says about the latest BIOS from last month:
"BIOS 4404 for P9X79 WS released to public
1. Improved system compatibility.
2. Fix compatibility for Kinesis Anvantage USB keyboard.
3. Improve compatibility for multi-core CPU.
4. Patch compatibility for some Kingston modules.
5. Update IRST OpRom to 3.8.0.1029.

*If your BIOS version is 1305 or older: Go to BIOS-Utilities to download and install the BIOS Converter utility before updating the BIOS."

(I may have missed it, but I saw no mention of you updating the BIOS recently).

I think you really need to REINSTALL WINDOWS. I suggest you PRINT THIS for ease of reference. I'll stay with you to resolve this as long as you keep this alive or you PM me if you want one-on-one help.

Memory comment:
*usually when you have TWO STICKS, the motherboard manual suggests two specific slots to be used such as the BLUE ones but not the BLACK ONES. I suppose this might be different between motherboards. As long as you have good performance and no errors, but look at the motherboard manual again to see what it says in regards to which slots to use.

Two sticks should be in:
B1 and D1 (page 2-5)

*If you have a SPARE DRIVE, then do THIS:
1) Hookup ONLY the spare drive and DVD drive
2) Install Windows as per below (but don't install any programs you don't need yet)
3) DO NOT ACTIVATE!

If you do so, carefully backup any data etc.

REINSTALL WINDOWS:

1. Copy any data to an external drive or disc.
2. Write down any passwords.
3. Write down the names of programs you wish to reinstall.
4. MOVE your Steam folder data so you don't have to reinstall it.
*I can LINK you to the Steam site that explains this. For now you can just copy/paste unless it's already on a secondary partition.

5. Reinstall Windows.
6. Reinstall Drivers (motherboard Main Chipset from support site, USB3, SATA, audio etc as applicable)
7. Microsoft Updates.
8. Reinstall Programs (you made a LIST?)
9. Sort out Steam

Then:
1. TEST one or more games.
2. If problem NOT solved, then more troubleshooting needed (possibly odd glitch forcing 2D mode in card?)
3. ACTIVATE WINDOWS again. (always done LAST once you confirm everything is working)
4. Once problem SOLVED, create a BACKUP IMAGE (Windows Image, or better yet Acronis True Image).
*Never delete the FIRST Image backup of the Windows drive. Create a 2nd backup later and REPLACE it periodically but always KEEP the first backup as viruses or data corruption can creep in over time that you don't notice.

**So hopefully at this point you have a fully working system and an IMAGE BACKUP in case of future software issues so you can easily RESTORE (after saving any data since the Image was created).


SUMMARY:
1) ensure RAM sticks in proper slots (pg 2-5 of motherboard manual. B1 and D1?)
2) run MEMTEST again if moving memory
3) BIOS update if needed.
4) Reinstall Windows recommended as bad memory can cause data corruption
5) Steam, if installed can be MOVED https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=741...
6) Still think card is stuck in 2D mode (lower performance and low GPU temp) but that may be a data corruption issue that reinstalling Windows may solve.

7) Asus' GPU Tweak DOES show the GPU frequency among other things (lower left of main screen shows a small rectangle with a wavy line; click that).


1.Will move RAM into B1 and D1 (one is already in D1)
2.Was going to reinstall OS anyway
3.MoBo BIOS is up-to-date
4.GPU Frequency does NOT exist unless it is called something else, I will screenshot the monitor tab.
http://www.mediafire.com/?eotbu5pxu815e
5. I noticed that my Memory usage is capped to 267 MB (pictured), does this mean something is holding back my RAM? Could be very possible...
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November 8, 2013 6:02:25 PM

"GPU CLOCK"
That's the one I meant. It showed 888MHz so it was NOT in 2D mode. I'm a little baffled at this point, but you did have memory issues so maybe with MOVING the memory and REINSTALLING WINDOWS this will change.

Memory Usage:
Okay, here I'm really baffled:
1) The graph shows 2000MB, same as mine but don't you have 3GB (3072MB) of Video RAM? Maybe a problem with the Asus software?

2) SKYRIM uses about 1.5GB of Video RAM. That's the program alone. If you had used 500MB just for your desktop your video memory (during gameplay) should shoot up to around 2000MB.

That 267MB is typical of a desktop when NOT playing a game. In fact, it's IMPOSSIBLE for Skyrim to use that little so either that's your DESKTOP history or the software is massively screwed up (mine works fine). Maybe a 2000MB cap glitch so it rolled around again and is reporting 2267MB?
*so try the software I linked below instead.

OTHER SOFTWARE:
1. Download and run Processexplorer v15.40: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb89665...

2. click "view->system information"

Pretty self-explanatory. I like it better than the Asus software. It shows the GPU usage as a percent though (frequency is a little more helpful) but it does show the GPU MEMORY in MB's.

You should see roughly 3072MB of Video RAM (just over 3,000,000 in the lower-left under "dedicated GPU memory. That's KB or KiloBytes"

Other:
If your desktop used 500MB of VIDEO memory and you need that later in a game, Windows automatically copies the Video data to System RAM to free up the space. No problem there so no need for "memory cleanup utilities."
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November 11, 2013 2:49:43 AM

Here's a quick update:
I phoned the guys that organised parts and they thought it was the OS limiting RAM capacity or something similar. I reinstalled my OS just to be sure and haven't noticed a performance increase at all. I'm in the process of updating every single driver available and will report back when that's done. I've moved the RAM sticks into their recommended slots but have not found any difference in performance. Beginning to think it is a hardware issue but I still have no idea.
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