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November 5, 2013 4:59:14 AM

Air vs water cooling for the following build:
*ARC 647 Gaming Case
*Intel Core I5 4670k
*NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 4gb
*750 Watt - Corsair CX750

Water cooling seems like a lot of work, i would prefer air cooling, but if water cooling is really worth it for this built ill be ok, i juste need a guide on how to handle water cooling

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November 5, 2013 5:07:26 AM

Motherboard?
In general stick to air if you are not willing to maintain water A LOT.

The other option is LIQUID cooling, which is no maintenance, but price for price air usually ends up being cheaper for the performance.
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November 5, 2013 7:09:21 AM

Are you talking about closed-loop coolers or custom water cooling loops? Because unless you're looking to achieve a really high overclock or going to throw your GPU(s) into the loop as well, you don't need a custom loop.

Chances are that you'll be just fine with a good air cooler.
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November 5, 2013 1:12:17 PM

it's actualy LIQUID cooling instead of water cooling, sry if i messed that up
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November 5, 2013 1:15:02 PM

No problem. :) 

If you plan to spend LESS than $100, then stick to air cooling, like the Noctua NH-D14 for example.

If more then start looking at large liquid like H100/H110 with aftermarket fans.
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November 5, 2013 1:48:18 PM

click on the link i have up top, it's the build options i can have
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November 5, 2013 3:00:01 PM

DO NOT get iBuyPower. They are overpriced. Build your own, save some cash and learn to troublehshoot your own PC.
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November 5, 2013 3:17:11 PM

Alienware is overpriced, IBUYPOWER is not, I checked on newegg.com with the same components, it's the same if not more expensive, it might be that IBUYPOWER is having a sale
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November 5, 2013 3:20:19 PM

If you really do think ibuypower is overpriced, what would you recommend? (im not building one myself)
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November 5, 2013 3:46:35 PM

The problem with iBuyPower is that you never really know what you are getting.

What is your TOTAL budget? Lets start this all over. :) 

Just trying to help you NOT make a bad decision.
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November 5, 2013 4:37:26 PM

Novuake said:
The problem with iBuyPower is that you never really know what you are getting.

What is your TOTAL budget? Lets start this all over. :) 

Just trying to help you NOT make a bad decision.

My budget for the desktops would be around $1000-$1200, I will use it for gaming mostly, I liked ibuypower because you could choose what you want in your desktop and they'll ship it to you all build in and they're also having a november sale which gives me a chunk of money off, and what do you mean that you don't know what you're getting?

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November 5, 2013 4:39:48 PM

Liquid cooling although it can be pretty expensive.

iBuyPower is a rip off and you'd be better off building your own PC.

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November 5, 2013 4:42:20 PM

I've read a lot of awful things about ibuypower and I've heard great things about ibuypower, is there a better more reliable company you would recommend
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November 5, 2013 5:35:06 PM

Right, so this below leaves you with a much better build and known QUALITY components.
If you want to drop some cash of then go for the GTX760 or a cheaper cooler.

The motherboard is A LOT better than the Z87A G41 crap that iBuyPower offers.
This obviously includes Windows too.
The RAM is FASTER and better than the price iBuyPower options for.

Sooo see what I mean? Even paying someone 50$ to build it would make this a lot more worth it.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Y1ta
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Y1ta/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Y1ta/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.47 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($314.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (32-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1133.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-05 20:32 EST-0500)
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November 5, 2013 7:45:50 PM

Novuake said:
Right, so this below leaves you with a much better build and known QUALITY components.
If you want to drop some cash of then go for the GTX760 or a cheaper cooler.

The motherboard is A LOT better than the Z87A G41 crap that iBuyPower offers.
This obviously includes Windows too.
The RAM is FASTER and better than the price iBuyPower options for.

Sooo see what I mean? Even paying someone 50$ to build it would make this a lot more worth it.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Y1ta
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Y1ta/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Y1ta/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.47 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($314.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (32-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1133.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-05 20:32 EST-0500)


Hmm, where can I get a system like that built? And also I was researching lately and found Ironside, are you familiar with that company? It's not very popular but I've read some positive things about them and nothing negative.
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November 6, 2013 2:30:59 AM

Never heard of them.
Do you have a local computer repair shop? Sure they would do it for a small fee?

Otherwise its time to learn.
We can post you some guides and are here to help you through the process.

Hell I would even skype with you to help out. :D 
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November 6, 2013 4:21:38 AM

Novuake said:
Never heard of them.
Do you have a local computer repair shop? Sure they would do it for a small fee?

Otherwise its time to learn.
We can post you some guides and are here to help you through the process.

Hell I would even skype with you to help out. :D 

In actually am ok with building and I'm kinda pumped to do it, its just that my dad is paying for everything and he's afraid if i build it ill mess up and make the money go to waste :/  so I'm trying to convince him now
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November 6, 2013 7:04:10 AM

Tell him we don't mind helping and that all equipment is under warranty. Which should cover it under most situations. BUT DONT BEND ANY PINS!!!!
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November 6, 2013 1:13:14 PM

Can you put me together a good build which can run triple monitors and most high end games at 25-50 fps?
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November 6, 2013 1:19:00 PM

Not at that budget. You would need to add another graphics card. BUT if you get a card with more RAM, then it will be better.

Either one of these 2.


Same budget :

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1YnK7
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1YnK7/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1YnK7/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.59 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (32-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1102.49
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-06 16:15 EST-0500)


Higher budget, this needs a larger PSU :

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1YnPN
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1YnPN/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1YnPN/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.59 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (32-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1423.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-06 16:18 EST-0500)
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November 6, 2013 1:20:44 PM

in general tho, if i for some reason not build a desktop and buy it instead what company would you recommend?
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November 6, 2013 1:55:06 PM

There is not a single company I would suggest.
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November 6, 2013 2:37:31 PM

Thx, me and my dad agreed that we'll build one together :D  i'll put the parts list down when i have it down
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November 6, 2013 3:11:25 PM

Awesome! Let me know how it goes. :D 
Have fun!
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November 6, 2013 3:42:24 PM

KingKnight said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Ys1I this is roughly what i have, might change some things later :D  I'm planning to mod the case to make it a little more appealing :) 


Pretty decent build! Tell us how it goes. (:

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November 6, 2013 3:45:17 PM

The H60 is junk and overpriced. There are better air coolers at that price that perform better.

That Coolmax PSU is even MORE junk.

DO NOT cheap out on a PSU.
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November 6, 2013 3:49:35 PM

lol, sry im a noob at this youre really helping me out i feel so dumb XD
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November 6, 2013 3:51:24 PM

Its fine, just make sure before you buy that you know you get quality stuff that will not fail and take your whole system with like that Coomax.
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November 6, 2013 4:39:03 PM

LOL the GTX760 does not really use 4GB of RAM, its pointless paying so much extra.

That PSU still is not suggested if you want to overclock or go dual cards.

LOL Drop to the 2GB GTX760 and use it on a better PSU.
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November 6, 2013 5:04:31 PM

I'm gonna use a triple monitor setup, that's why I chose the 4gb but I have heard that it doesn't use all of it, so I changed it
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November 6, 2013 5:09:27 PM

I'll remake it once more now

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November 7, 2013 12:48:46 AM

That is better. The 256 bit interface on the GTX760 does not allow it to use 4GB optimally. That is why.

If you want more VRAM then look at the HD7950.
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November 7, 2013 5:05:25 AM

What I'll probably do is get a single gtx 760 and then get one more if I'll need to :)  (I wanna hook up triple monitors :)  also, do you think that air cooling is ok? Should I keep it or get water cooling?
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November 7, 2013 5:18:46 AM

Air cooling for sure.
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November 7, 2013 1:04:47 PM

thx :)  i'm pretty sure i got everything now :D  should i add anything/change anything? just making sure
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November 7, 2013 3:18:23 PM

Perfect :) 
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November 7, 2013 3:30:09 PM

:D  Can i add LED lights to the case?
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November 7, 2013 3:56:11 PM

Of course you can :D 
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November 7, 2013 4:05:20 PM

:D  ill post my complete setup when ill have it all done :)  getting all the parts in late december :D 
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November 7, 2013 5:18:24 PM

btw, do you any good lighting systems? so i can choose the color, adjust brightness etc. ?
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November 7, 2013 5:46:32 PM

wait, doesn't i5 4670k come with it's own fan? What should i do with it?
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November 8, 2013 3:44:34 AM

Just keep it as a spare. Its horrible, but just incase keep it.

I know how to mod lighting, but where to get it, you are gonna have to figure out yourself.
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