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November 5, 2013 9:25:43 AM

Here was my original issue: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1853593/monitor-...

which seems to have boiled down to the motherboard.. which is probably my most inexperienced area.

My computer is: http://h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.PAG...

That I moved into an Antec 902 case and swapped the power supply with a Corsair GS700 and the graphics card with a GTX 560 TI


I need a new motherboard but I'm lost.. How do I know what will be compatible with my wireless card and stuff? Will my cpu fan fit or does the new mobo come with one? Will my cpu chip fit? If my sound card is integrated do I need to buy another one? Obviously to get the motherboard in the new case I had to "install it" but what I really mean is how do I setup everything on it?

All of the parts of the computer are well documented by HP in the link above, itd be great if someone could please walk me through this!


And also, how much would all this cost?! I was hoping under $100 but if not I guess ill have to wait even longer before I get a new graphics card

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November 5, 2013 10:56:59 AM

GA-Z77X-UD3H
- you keep you CPU
- you keep you RAM
- you keep you GPU
- you keep you HDD
- you keep you OEM case
- you keep you OEM PSU

What you can`t keep is :
- you CAN`T KEEP YOU HP CPU-FAN - you have to order new one - this one is on my taste :
http://www.dekada.com/catalog/arctic-cooling-%D0%BE%D1%...

- you can`t use you WiFi mPCI card - this is not common in OEM desktops


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November 5, 2013 11:16:11 AM

thanks !

Nikolay Savov said:
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- you can`t use you WiFi mPCI card - this is not common in OEM desktops




Ok so for the wireless card id have to get something like an asus pce slot card?


I don't think that cpu fan would fit. What other options are there? I do game alot also but I don't want to spend too much
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November 5, 2013 11:28:46 AM

As i sad :
Nikolay Savov said:

- you CAN`T KEEP YOU HP CPU-FAN
- you have to order new one - this one is on my taste :
http://www.dekada.com/catalog/arctic-cooling-%D0%BE%D1%...

- you can`t use you WiFi mPCI card - this is not common in OEM desktops


- order Any PCI WiFi 802.11 N or A standard card

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November 5, 2013 11:30:45 AM

If you want to replace the MB I can suggest you this :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $74.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-05 14:18 EST-0500)

Here is the specs :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1. The MB has a LAN port if you need it.
2. No the CPU fan will not fit. And no, MB's do not come with CPU fans. CPU fan (HSF) comes with CPU only.
3. Yes the board has integrated sound, if you wish you could buy a sound card.
4. Yes you need to install the MB on the case/cabinet. And you need to repair-install or clean install the OS as well with a new MB. If you are not comfortable enough to install the MB a PC tech can help you, or we will help you to do the job.
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November 5, 2013 11:37:09 AM

lonewolf7 said:
If you want to replace the MB I can suggest you this :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $74.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-05 14:18 EST-0500)

Here is the specs :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1. The MB has a LAN port if you need it.
2. No the CPU fan will not fit. And no, MB's do not come with CPU fans. CPU fan (HSF) comes with CPU only.
3. Yes the board has integrated sound, if you wish you could buy a sound card.
4. Yes you need to install the MB on the case/cabinet. And you need to repair-install or clean install the OS as well with a new MB. If you are not comfortable enough to install the MB a PC tech can help you, or we will help you to do the job.


Thanks very much for the suggestion

I reinstalled windows yesterday, do I still need to do it again? I did it through the HP recovery, is this ok?



Would you happen to have a suggestion on a wireless card also?

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November 5, 2013 11:44:48 AM

Yes you need to do it again after you install a new MB, otherwise the drivers and controllers will not match, and you will be getting BSOD's.

And you have to replace the PSU, if you want a modern day GPU and want to play modern day games. Here is a decent PSU and will serve all your needs.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $54.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-05 14:42 EST-0500)

But I don't know if it will fit on your case/cabinet. So make calculations first if you intend to buy it.

Here is a wireless card :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $39.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-05 14:46 EST-0500)
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November 5, 2013 11:52:14 AM

lonewolf7 said:
Yes you need to do it again after you install a new MB, otherwise the drivers and controllers will not match, and you will be getting BSOD's.

And you have to replace the PSU, if you want a modern day GPU and want to play modern day games. Here is a decent PSU and will serve all your needs.

Ok thanks!


And yes I already replaced the PSU like I said in the original post I replaced the original power supply with a Corsair gs700 750w (the case was also changed to an Antec 902 incase you missed that also)

I have been playing games on it for a year or so now I just think the low grade mobo can't hold up anymore

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November 5, 2013 11:54:45 AM

Sorry my bad, I forgot you mentioned about a PSU earlier. You are fine to go.
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November 5, 2013 12:02:41 PM

Now about reinstalling the OS, after I replace the motherboard is there a quick way to make sure everything is hooked up right?

When I reinstall windows can I still do F11 at startup and go through the hp recovery manager to go back to factory settings?
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November 5, 2013 12:22:42 PM

Yes double check every connections, or bread board it first, then do the final installation. Here is a guide may help you : I know its off topic :

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...

My biggest fear is your cabinet's front panel's wiring. Some OEM cabinets has custom wiring's to fit only vendors MB, and not any other MB(retail).

I think it would be better if you do a clean install of OS instead of repair-install, with a new MB. F11 may also work at least I hope so.

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November 5, 2013 12:24:18 PM

I replaced the case with an Antec 902, that isn't OEM is it?

What does bread board mean?


Also what about thermal glue for the cpu?
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November 5, 2013 12:30:58 PM

Bread board means = to assemble the system outside the case. Like MB, CPU, one stick of RAM, GPU and monitor, if it give display then you are good to go, and peacefully place the components inside the case/cabinet.

With Antec 902 case you will have no problem.

Its known as Thermal Paste. You have to place it in between CPU and HSF. You will find many tutorials online about how to do it.

I will be back in half an hour, if you need me.
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November 5, 2013 12:49:57 PM

Is the paste included with the fan? Or will I need to get some?


Oops you said my fan will fit I forgot. Since im using the same cpu chip and the same fan do I need more paste?
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November 5, 2013 2:11:57 PM

Yes its better to apply new thermal paste when replacing. Make sure to clean any remains before applying new one. A decent one here :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.20 @ OutletPC)
Total: $6.20
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-05 17:11 EST-0500)

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November 5, 2013 2:42:54 PM

Thanks so much

so the motherboard should fit inside my case just fine? The motherboard from the original HP case seems to fit perfectly
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November 5, 2013 3:58:39 PM

As i sad :
What you can`t keep is :
- you CAN`T KEEP YOU HP CPU-FAN - you have to order new one - this one is on my taste :
http://www.dekada.com/catalog/arctic-cooling-%D0%BE%D1%...

and again the lonewolf7 sad :
2. No the CPU fan will not fit. And no, MB's do not come with CPU fans. CPU fan (HSF) comes with CPU only.


"Is the paste included with the fan? Or will I need to get some?


Oops you said my fan will fit I forgot. Since im using the same cpu chip and the same fan do I need more paste? "

NO - you need new CPU FAN and you must use NEW thermal paste - if you don`t have one coming with the FAN just order ....... it`s not worth killing Panda for it :) 

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November 6, 2013 6:03:56 AM

someone suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as the fan, will this work fine? Will it fit with a big gpu card and have enough clearance?

Actually, the stock fan is a cooler master cm12v will this fit? just realized the hp docs didnt list it


Also, lonewolf, your link for the thermal paste won't work for me
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November 6, 2013 7:47:56 AM

Alabatross said:
someone suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as the fan, will this work fine? Will it fit with a big gpu card and have enough clearance?

Actually, the stock fan is a cooler master cm12v will this fit? just realized the hp docs didnt list it


Also, lonewolf, your link for the thermal paste won't work for me


This one is too big i think.

i advise you to go for this one - as i already have link you in my first post ...
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/arctic-cooling-cpu-cooler-...

edited :
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November 6, 2013 8:03:33 AM

Nikolay Savov said:
Alabatross said:
someone suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as the fan, will this work fine? Will it fit with a big gpu card and have enough clearance?

Actually, the stock fan is a cooler master cm12v will this fit? just realized the hp docs didnt list it


Also, lonewolf, your link for the thermal paste won't work for me


This one is too big i think.

i advise you to go for this one - as i already have link you in my first post ...
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/tp/ami-beep...

you linked me to beep codes?

The one in your first post looks big also though


would my stock cooler master cm12v fit? id prefer not to buy a new fan right now
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November 6, 2013 10:00:26 AM

Alabatross said:
someone suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as the fan, will this work fine? Will it fit with a big gpu card and have enough clearance?

Actually, the stock fan is a cooler master cm12v will this fit? just realized the hp docs didnt list it


Also, lonewolf, your link for the thermal paste won't work for me


The link is working just fine, check it again. Here is a second link for same product : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And forget about what HP says, you are not using their MB and case, so it doesn't matter.

If you didn't purchased anything yet then consider a ATX MB which is bigger than Micro ATX(uATX), and all the components will fit in it easily.

Here is the best board for LGA 1155 socket and under $100 with a discount :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $99.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-06 12:56 EST-0500)

And get that CM Hyper 212 Evo HSF this is bang for bucks.





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November 6, 2013 10:17:16 AM

lonewolf7 said:

And forget about what HP says, you are not using their MB and case, so it doesn't matter.

I mean't HP didn't list what type of fan is currently on the motherboard

It can be removed, its a cooler master cm12v. Would this fit on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

so I don't have to buy a new fan?

If my stock fan doesn't fit ill get the 212, this thread says it fits in a 902: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1775526


Also, would it be easier and cheaper just to get a usb wifi dongle instead of a pce slot wifi card?
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November 6, 2013 10:34:44 AM

As I said earlier with a uATX MB there are many if's and but's, and its hard to tell if the HSF will fit or not and same goes to GPU, cause that is a tiny MB. So I suggest you to buy a standard size ATX MB and have peace of mind for only few extra bucks. Any thing will fit there.

And you are the one to best judge the pricing for a dongle or a PCI wifi card. Both will work. its your call.

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November 6, 2013 11:12:52 AM

The motherboard that's currently in there support my GTX 560 TI and the cooler master cm12v, and its also micro atx

perhaps if I save enough on the wifi card by switching to a dongle I will just get the standard atx. Are you familiar with dongles? Do you have any suggestions?

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November 6, 2013 11:32:21 AM

Alabatross said:
Nikolay Savov said:
Alabatross said:
someone suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as the fan, will this work fine? Will it fit with a big gpu card and have enough clearance?

Actually, the stock fan is a cooler master cm12v will this fit? just realized the hp docs didnt list it


Also, lonewolf, your link for the thermal paste won't work for me


This one is too big i think.

i advise you to go for this one - as i already have link you in my first post ...
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/tp/ami-beep...

you linked me to beep codes?

The one in your first post looks big also though


would my stock cooler master cm12v fit? id prefer not to buy a new fan right now


yep - wrong link - edited

i give up on this treat you know ......
Post picture on you curent FAN - the HP one .....
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November 7, 2013 1:21:34 AM

Alabatross said:
Nikolay Savov said:

Post picture on you curent FAN - the HP one .....

It's not an HP fan

I've said repeatedly its a cooler master cm12v: http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Cooler-Master-CM12V-Fan-with-Alu...$(KGrHqZ,!jQFBKd3,eNPBQU9lcjYy!~~60_35.JPG


Dude look you first post - did you ever mention the FAN is cm12v ?
Nope
in fact you have mention this in the midle of this treat ......
And you link is death btw ....

I give up on you sorry !
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November 7, 2013 5:16:58 AM

Nikolay Savov said:
Alabatross said:
Nikolay Savov said:

Post picture on you curent FAN - the HP one .....

It's not an HP fan

I've said repeatedly its a cooler master cm12v: http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Cooler-Master-CM12V-Fan-with-Alu...$(KGrHqZ,!jQFBKd3,eNPBQU9lcjYy!~~60_35.JPG


Dude look you first post - did you ever mention the FAN is cm12v ?
Nope
in fact you have mention this in the midle of this treat ......
And you link is death btw ....

I give up on you sorry !

OK, thanks anyway. The fan you suggested also looked too big.


Ill just order the motherboard. My fan is a cooler master cm12v on a 1155 socket and so is the new motherboard, so it should fit. If it doesn't fit ill just order a fan later



Lonewolf, does this full sized mobo you suggested have built in wifi? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 7, 2013 10:59:02 AM

Ok look, supporting components and installing components are two different things. It may support but the time you are ready for installation you see that you have not enough space to fit in the components. So if you are not that tight on budget, go with the ASROCK Z77. You don't have to worry about installing components. All will fit in fine. And is future proof also for other upgrades.

Don't go with the Dongle you linked. That has no reviews and I doubt the brand also.

I use Dongle (HUAWEI E303c) frequently so I can say its a good idea, provided the plan you choose like 3G or 4G, and it will also depend on your SIM card and carrier.


That ASROCK Z77 board doesn't have in-built WIFI, but has a LAN (RJ-45) Ethernet port, which you can use for wired internet connection. Or you can buy a PCI WIFI card for wireless connections, the MB has PCI slots to connect WIFI.

And changes are your CM12v fan may fit on that MB.

NOTE : ASROCK Z77 has 2 x PCI Express x1 slots, take a hard look on it, or read the specification's tab.



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November 7, 2013 11:36:05 AM

I'm already using a micro-atx motherboard and everything fits (the gtx 560 and my curent fan) and I see room on my current motherboard for a wifi PCI card to fit. And my current CM12v fan is small

$30 more is starting to push it, so id prefer not to get a bigger board if I don't have to. I don't ever plan to use two gpus at once


A friend of mine said you can put PCIE x1 cards into PCIE x16 slots, is this true?
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November 7, 2013 12:08:12 PM

No, the BIOS would think that card as a GPU, and you might won't get a display.
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November 7, 2013 12:14:44 PM

From what I've read you can use x1 in x16, as the motherboard will only activate as many pins as are touching?

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+you+put+pcie+1x+in+...

I just wanted to confirm


Oh apparently only some boards are backwards compatible. I don't see anywhere on the uATX ASRock board that says it supports x1

Ill just go ahead and get the bigger board and play it safe... but the bigger board has a handful of bad reviews that scare me
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November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM

Its somewhat true, but will vary from MB to MB. Anyways you have to buy that WIFI card, so try it with your current MB, if it works then good, if it doesn't
then buy the ASROCK Z77 EX 4

All components (USB, PCI/PCI-E/SATA) are backward/forward compatible. It seems like the uATX MB missing the PCI slot.
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November 7, 2013 12:45:28 PM

The Z77 has alot of bad reviews about bent pins and stuff not working though. Is there an alternative that isn't ASRock?
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November 8, 2013 10:56:29 AM

I just want to say, don't go by the reviews. Anyways both MB's from your last post will work. I would go for the second link though, not for the reviews but for the specs. Now its your call. Good luck.
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