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November 8, 2013 7:11:46 AM

This is the link for the PC:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1YOQ7


Let me know what you think!

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Zach

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November 8, 2013 7:16:04 AM

If I was going to be spending that much money I would want an SSD and at least a GTX 770 or AMD 280x/7970.

You can save money by going with the i5 and a slightly less expensive motherboard, use that money to pump back into graphics card and SSD.
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November 8, 2013 7:29:59 AM

Nice build. I'd change a few things though, such as the mobo. Switch over to a MSI Z77A-G45, it's a great gaming board and slightly cheaper than your current board. Also, for the GPU. I'd spent 60$ more and go with a Asus DirectCU II GTX 770. You'll improve your performance a bunch, and it doesn't cost much more. Also, I'd go with a 1TB Western Digital Black Caviar Drive and add a 128gb Samsung SSD.
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November 8, 2013 7:42:23 AM

Spinny99 said:
Nice build. I'd change a few things though, such as the mobo. Switch over to a MSI Z77A-G45, it's a great gaming board and slightly cheaper than your current board. Also, for the GPU. I'd spent 60$ more and go with a Asus DirectCU II GTX 770. You'll improve your performance a bunch, and it doesn't cost much more. Also, I'd go with a 1TB Western Digital Black Caviar Drive and add a 128gb Samsung SSD.


Is this better? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Zd4C
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a c 205 4 Gaming
November 8, 2013 7:54:41 AM

I think you can do better.

The most important component of a gamer is the graphics card.
For a balanced gaming pc, I suggest budgeting 2x the cost of the cpu for the graphics card.

1. Few games can use more than 2-3 cores, making the hyperthreads of a i7 largely irrelevant.
Save $ 100 and buy a i5 instead. I would prefer the i5-4670K over ivy bridge. With a conservative OC it will be a bit faster.

2. Buy a great graphics card. A GTX770 at least, perhaps a GTX780, now that the prices have dropped.

3. Since you are buying a monitor, buy a great one. I suggest a 27" 2560 x 1440 monitor. You will get a better ips panel
Look at this nixeus vue 27" or similar. Yes, it is more expensive, but a monitor will last you through several builds.
http://www.amazon.com/Nixeus-27-Inch-Resolution-2560x14...

4. I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler can do the job.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
google "H100 leak"
I suggest a simple $30 cooler like the cm hyper212. If you want the best, look at a noctua nh-d14 pr phanteks.

5. Most any Z87 based motherboard will do; they all perform the same. If you will not be planning on dual cards in the future, consider a M-ATX sized motherboard. They are usually cheaper. Here is one at half the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. Here is my canned rant on planning for dual cards:
-----------------------------Start of rant----------------------------------------------------
Dual graphics cards vs. a good single card.

a) How good do you really need to be?
A single GTX650/ti or 7770 can give you good performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

A single GTX660 or 7850 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
A single gtx690,7990, GTX780ti or R9-290X is about as good as it gets for a single card.

Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, or a 4k monitor, might sli/cf will be needed.
Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards and stronger single card solutions.

b) The costs for a single card are lower.
You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
Even a ITX motherboard will do.

Your psu costs are less.
A GTX660 needs a 430w psu, even a GTX780 only needs a 575w psu.
When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 200w to your psu requirements.

Even the most power hungry GTX690 only needs 620w, or a 7990 needs 700w.

Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
You will also look at more noise.

c) Dual gpu's do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

d) dual gpu support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

e) dual cards up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.
The Maxwell and amd 8000 or 9000 series are due next year.
-------------------------------End of rant-----------------------------------------------------------

7. 8gb of ram is fine for gaming. No game will use more than 2-3gb. But, ram is cheap, and I have no problem with 16gb. Windows will keep more in ram, available for instant reuse. Do buy low profile ram. It avoids any cooler clearance issues and is often cheaper. 1600 speed is fine.

8. I will not build today without a SSD for the "C" drive. It makes everything so much quicker.
120gb should be minimum. It will hold the os and a handful of games. If you go 240gb, consider deferring on the hard drive. You may never need it at all. It is easy to add a hard drive later.

9. You might want to consider a wired keyboard and mouse. I am no expert there, but I think responsiveness should be better over a wire than wireless. Probably cheaper too.

----------------good luck---------------

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November 8, 2013 8:28:32 AM

geofelt said:
I think you can do better.

The most important component of a gamer is the graphics card.
For a balanced gaming pc, I suggest budgeting 2x the cost of the cpu for the graphics card.

1. Few games can use more than 2-3 cores, making the hyperthreads of a i7 largely irrelevant.
Save $ 100 and buy a i5 instead. I would prefer the i5-4670K over ivy bridge. With a conservative OC it will be a bit faster.

2. Buy a great graphics card. A GTX770 at least, perhaps a GTX780, now that the prices have dropped.

3. Since you are buying a monitor, buy a great one. I suggest a 27" 2560 x 1440 monitor. You will get a better ips panel
Look at this nixeus vue 27" or similar. Yes, it is more expensive, but a monitor will last you through several builds.
http://www.amazon.com/Nixeus-27-Inch-Resolution-2560x14...

4. I do not much like all in one liquid coolers when a good air cooler can do the job.
A liquid cooler will be expensive, noisy, less reliable, and will not cool any better
in a well ventilated case.
Liquid cooling is really air cooling, it just puts the heat exchange in a different place.
The orientation of the radiator will cause a problem.
If you orient it to take in cool air from the outside, you will cool the cpu better, but the hot air then circulates inside the case heating up the graphics card and motherboard.
If you orient it to exhaust(which I think is better) , then your cpu cooling will be less effective because it uses pre heated case air.
And... I have read too many tales of woe when a liquid cooler leaks.
google "H100 leak"
I suggest a simple $30 cooler like the cm hyper212. If you want the best, look at a noctua nh-d14 pr phanteks.

5. Most any Z87 based motherboard will do; they all perform the same. If you will not be planning on dual cards in the future, consider a M-ATX sized motherboard. They are usually cheaper. Here is one at half the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. Here is my canned rant on planning for dual cards:
-----------------------------Start of rant----------------------------------------------------
Dual graphics cards vs. a good single card.

a) How good do you really need to be?
A single GTX650/ti or 7770 can give you good performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

A single GTX660 or 7850 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
A single gtx690,7990, GTX780ti or R9-290X is about as good as it gets for a single card.

Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, or a 4k monitor, might sli/cf will be needed.
Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards and stronger single card solutions.

b) The costs for a single card are lower.
You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
Even a ITX motherboard will do.

Your psu costs are less.
A GTX660 needs a 430w psu, even a GTX780 only needs a 575w psu.
When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 200w to your psu requirements.

Even the most power hungry GTX690 only needs 620w, or a 7990 needs 700w.

Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
You will also look at more noise.

c) Dual gpu's do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

d) dual gpu support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

e) dual cards up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.
The Maxwell and amd 8000 or 9000 series are due next year.
-------------------------------End of rant-----------------------------------------------------------

7. 8gb of ram is fine for gaming. No game will use more than 2-3gb. But, ram is cheap, and I have no problem with 16gb. Windows will keep more in ram, available for instant reuse. Do buy low profile ram. It avoids any cooler clearance issues and is often cheaper. 1600 speed is fine.

8. I will not build today without a SSD for the "C" drive. It makes everything so much quicker.
120gb should be minimum. It will hold the os and a handful of games. If you go 240gb, consider deferring on the hard drive. You may never need it at all. It is easy to add a hard drive later.

9. You might want to consider a wired keyboard and mouse. I am no expert there, but I think responsiveness should be better over a wire than wireless. Probably cheaper too.

----------------good luck---------------



Wow...thats very good advice, thank you!
Do you think you could take what you just told me and apply it to a build on pcpartpicker, then send me the link? im just worried i'll end up choosing the wrong thing or something..

Thanks in Advance,

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November 8, 2013 8:59:41 AM

I am inexperienced with partpicker.
But, here are some of the parts:

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZeZZ) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZeZZ/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZeZZ/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670k) | $219.98 @ OutletPC
**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-r...) | $29.98 @ OutletPC
**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3H 1.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz87...) | $74.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31600c9d16g...) | $144.99 @ Newegg
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-driv...) | $174.93 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-03gp42783k...) | $519.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Power Supply** | [SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-m12i...) | $78.99 @ SuperBiiz
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1243.85
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-08 11:58 EST-0500 |
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November 8, 2013 9:42:34 AM

geofelt said:
I am inexperienced with partpicker.
But, here are some of the parts:

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZeZZ) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZeZZ/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZeZZ/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670k) | $219.98 @ OutletPC
**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-r...) | $29.98 @ OutletPC
**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3H 1.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz87...) | $74.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31600c9d16g...) | $144.99 @ Newegg
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-driv...) | $174.93 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-03gp42783k...) | $519.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Power Supply** | [SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-m12i...) | $78.99 @ SuperBiiz
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1243.85
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-08 11:58 EST-0500 |


I took the link you gave me, added some stuff and here it is: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZfU7 how is it now?

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a c 205 4 Gaming
November 8, 2013 10:14:15 AM

Looks perfect. Good job.
If you live near a microcenter, you can buy a 4670K for $200. Possibly get a combo on motherboard too.

I hope you have planned on using a discrete speaker system, not the supplied speakers in the monitor. Monitor speakers are terrible, and only suitable for basic sound.

Virtually any discrete speaker, even an inexpensive one will be much more satisfying.
On the monitor, I might prefer one with a IPS panel like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Do not become enamored about 144hz capability. If you can do a steady 60fps you will do well.

I am big on buying larger, higher resolution monitors. They come in an amazing variety of prices.
Do some research on the 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors. Many pre Korean imports which seem to have done very well, according to users.
Here is one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2RY...
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November 8, 2013 10:24:57 AM

geofelt said:
Looks perfect. Good job.
If you live near a microcenter, you can buy a 4670K for $200. Possibly get a combo on motherboard too.

I hope you have planned on using a discrete speaker system, not the supplied speakers in the monitor. Monitor speakers are terrible, and only suitable for basic sound.

Virtually any discrete speaker, even an inexpensive one will be much more satisfying.
On the monitor, I might prefer one with a IPS panel like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Do not become enamored about 144hz capability. If you can do a steady 60fps you will do well.

I am big on buying larger, higher resolution monitors. They come in an amazing variety of prices.
Do some research on the 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors. Many pre Korean imports which seem to have done very well, according to users.
Here is one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2RY...


Good to know....As for speakers, I've been hinting to my mom about getting a nice $50 gaming headset for Christmas...lol

And as for Monitors, the manufactures listed on pcpartpicker.com are:
AOC
Acer
Apple
Asus
BenQ
CTL
Compaq
Dell
DoubleSight
Eizo
Gateway
HP
Hannspree
JVC
LG
LaCie
Lenovo
NEC
Panasonic
Philips
Planar
Samsung
Sharp
Sony
Toshiba
V7
ViewEra
ViewSonic

Which one out of those do you think are better?

*Update* Sadly, i dont live near a microcenter (i live in Vermont, and the closest one i think is in New York, and i dont think my mom would want to drive a few hours up to New York just to get one thing lol)

*Update #2* these are all the monitors on pcpartpicker.com that are 27'' and 2560 * 1440 res. http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#r=256001440&s=27...
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a c 205 4 Gaming
November 8, 2013 10:40:52 AM

It depends on the particular model.
I found this one which is 1920 x 1200, a bit higher resolution. It is ips at a good price.
1920 x 1200 monitors are being phased out. New monitors are built on 1080P TV panels, so costs can be reduced.
I like the larger 1920 x 1200 format.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs24ahp

If you can buy on ebay, search for 2560 x 1440.
Here is the Qnix which newegg sells . It is $319 direct from Korea.
I think I would be comfortable ordering from them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-QNIX-QX2710-LED-Evolution-2...

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a b 4 Gaming
November 8, 2013 11:13:00 AM


Buy the ASUS VS24AHP, I have the same monitor myself and I love it.
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November 8, 2013 11:19:21 AM

sora said:

Buy the ASUS VS24AHP, I have the same monitor myself and I love it.


Will Do :) 

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November 8, 2013 2:54:21 PM

CyberLeopardGaming said:
I came to a final decision: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZhJ5
Seem like a plan ?


Why do you have a micro-ATX board and a mid tower case? Either get a regular ATX board (which would be what I recommend) or get a micro-ATX case.

Other than that you have a pretty good build.

EDIT: Actually if this machine is purely for gaming, drop the ram down to 8GB as well. 8GB is plenty for gaming.
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November 9, 2013 2:57:19 AM

sacara21 said:
CyberLeopardGaming said:
I came to a final decision: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZhJ5
Seem like a plan ?


Why do you have a micro-ATX board and a mid tower case? Either get a regular ATX board (which would be what I recommend) or get a micro-ATX case.

Other than that you have a pretty good build.

EDIT: Actually if this machine is purely for gaming, drop the ram down to 8GB as well. 8GB is plenty for gaming.


K...i made some changes, how does it look now? no problems?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZBOx
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November 10, 2013 5:05:54 PM

CyberLeopardGaming said:
sacara21 said:
CyberLeopardGaming said:
I came to a final decision: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZhJ5
Seem like a plan ?


Why do you have a micro-ATX board and a mid tower case? Either get a regular ATX board (which would be what I recommend) or get a micro-ATX case.

Other than that you have a pretty good build.

EDIT: Actually if this machine is purely for gaming, drop the ram down to 8GB as well. 8GB is plenty for gaming.


K...i made some changes, how does it look now? no problems?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZBOx

It's evolved into a pretty solid build! Good Job!
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