New build - criticism, comments - suggestions

khubani · Nov 9, 2013

Hi,

Here is the build I put together today, of course I am seeking to save where I can.

Goal of the new PC: Gaming - MMORPG's specifically such as Blade & Soul - other games such as League of Legends and future releases that may be demanding. Possibly CS:GO, and other titles that run off of the Crysis 2 engne or Unreal engine.

I do NOT plan on overclocking. Just buying parts in case I decide to for future upgrades.

Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ZUlU

Comments? Suggestions? Motherboard too much? What about the GPU? Budget is around 1k but I did slightly go over. Please be forward and harsh in your critciism, I want brute honesty, this is an expensive investment.

duhmentia · Nov 9, 2013

I would say instead of getting the i5 I would get a fx-8350 which is cheaper and better performance than the i5-3570k. Also instead of the 670 gpu get a R9 280x which again is better and cheaper than the 670.

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

I have read reviews that this card performs relatively high and often bottlenecks if your PC isn't up to par. People recommend overclocking processors just to keep up with the card. Would this be the case with a GTX 670 by Gigabyte versus the R9 280X? I only see about a $35 difference and people seem to be much more satisfied with the GTX series.

Additionally, AMD from what I have heard from enthusiasts often say that AMD makes very fast processors, but do not last long and unfortunately lack in quality while intel provides quality, long-lasting products which of course cost more. In this case, I am willing to spend more for quality instead of saving to have something short-term.

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

newegg has this bundle right now has almost every thing you will need beside the case and gpu and os but this can save you some money buying it in a bundle http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1291151

Jake Wenta · Nov 10, 2013

An 8350 runs 290x in crossfire without hiccups. So i'd recommend that for a budget deal, and I'd throw out the corsair RAM for gskill. (And if you play bf4, 1600 wont cut it)
so look at this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f32400c10d8gtx
for a motherboard, you'd want a 990fx chipset-ud7, sabertooth or crosshair are my recommendations.
as for a psu, you can save with something like this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/ocz-power-supply-oczzt750w
670 is a old card, and is more expensive than a 280x. the 280x does better, has mantle which may or may not increase improvement for amd. and it has directx 11.2 and good overclocking.
and with the saving, get a cooler master 212 evo and battlefield 4, or a x60 if the case supports it instead of the 212. or h100i

if you are getting thermal paste, possibly look at tuniq tx-4 extreme (just follow its instructions)

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jacob-Harris :

Wow. That's a nice combo. Good savings, but - is the PSU enough to run the build mentioned in my above post? I don't want my PSU running at max capacity just to keep the system on. Secondly, is that motherboard a good replacement to the ASRock Extreme6?

I forgot to mention, I do NOT plan on overclocking but instead I was going to buy a system and have parts that could be overclock as a "just in case" kind of thing.

On another note, the GTX670 OC by Gigabyte -- too old? Or not good enough? I don't play BF 4, COD, or any other FPS'. Maybe CS:GO but nothing else really, I'm a MMO guy.

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jake Wenta :

I haven't read amazing things about GSkill versus Corsair. Why GSkill? And these other parts, they seem like parts to buy for overclocking but I don't plan on doing it (as referenced above, will edit OP)

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

khubani :

Well 600 watts should be fine if you look in the top right corner of your build the estimated watts is only around 360 and what kinda of games do you play? Ops scratch that i have not played any of them games but League and i do know that that game runs good on almost any gpu

Jake Wenta · Nov 10, 2013

khubani :

For one-it is 2400 at cas 10, so you can run at 2133 at cas 9. second, it is cheaper than the corsair you choose. if you want to say you have corsair in your system-go with it. but for performance and budget-gskill. (but even on the best builds they use gskill, they oc like champs and at enthusiast levels-are extremely similar (but not so much price wise)) and gskill holds world records.

And i undestand you won't OC, but you could always just raise the multiplier on stock voltage. but the aftermarket cooler is for better airflow and quieter running and less heat.

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jacob-Harris :

I generally don't trust sources like that because I have a 650W in my current system and its a dual core with a GTX260 and I've seen that graphic cards, such as the GTX 670 have a minimum system power requirement of 500W. I only play one game as of right now and that's league of legends, and I heavily watch movies, streams, and TV shows on my system, especially in HD. I will be playing MMO's, and possibly Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. Waiting on Blade and Soul and might try other games down the line that run on Unreal and Crysis latest engines, but nothing as far as Battlefield or COD. Never will play it.

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jake Wenta :

khubani :

For one-it is 2400 at cas 10, so you can run at 2133 at cas 9. second, it is cheaper than the corsair you choose. if you want to say you have corsair in your system-go with it. but for performance and budget-gskill. (but even on the best builds they use gskill, they oc like champs and at enthusiast levels-are extremely similar (but not so much price wise)) and gskill holds world records.

And i undestand you won't OC, but you could always just raise the multiplier on stock voltage. but the aftermarket cooler is for better airflow and quieter running and less heat.

I don't know the first thing about overclocking. Still recommend it?

Jake Wenta · Nov 10, 2013

khubani :

Yes, but you don't have to overclock it. but there are many guides here on how to's. But regardless, for the ram to run at its rated speeds, you still have to set it yourself. because by default, all ddr3 runs at 1333.

RAM now make it easier for you, they come with XMP's, extreme memory profile. you just choose it and it does everything for you.

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jake Wenta :

Ok, so if I purchase OC'd RAM - I would obviously need a board that supports that clock speed, correct? And in that event, I buy a compatible board and the RAM at higher clock speed, I'd literally go into the BIOs, and select the RAM's clock speed and it would be set, touch and go?

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

Well I have never OC either so won't know but for the same price as your gtx 670 you could this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130919 for almost the same pricce and it is newer and a bit faster also with more cuda cores then the 670 it should run adobe programs a bit faster if you should ever use them. and right now it comes with two free games

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jacob-Harris :

I see. The only reason I'm so adamant on certain parts like the Gigabyte GTX670 OC is because it was reviewed by Tom's Hardware and rewarded as the best graphic card of it's time when compared to other cards and it provided a persuasive argument on purchasing it, and now investing in another card puts me in a bit of a situation because, besides reviews, benchmarks and hierarchy charts I really wouldn't know what else to look at in a card as a determinant to buy it

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

khubani :

Jacob-Harris :

I see. The only reason I'm so adamant on certain parts like the Gigabyte GTX670 OC is because it was reviewed by Tom's Hardware and rewarded as the best graphic card of it's time when compared to other cards and it provided a persuasive argument on purchasing it, and now investing in another card puts me in a bit of a situation because, besides reviews, benchmarks and hierarchy charts I really wouldn't know what else to look at in a card as a determinant to buy it

well i can say that evga makes good cards and the 770 is a 700 series not a 600 hundred so it is newer and it is a bit faster then the 670 for almost the exact same price

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

not to mention you get these games free with the 770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16800995181 which if you didn't want them they are a $100 value so you could maybe sell them

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jake Wenta :

Assuming that you agree with my reply to my last post regarding overclocking RAM - would you recommend this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231455

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

I would, my favorite rams are gskills and corsair i just get which ever one is cheaper at the moment i go to buy

khubani · Nov 10, 2013

Jacob-Harris :

It makes sense but when you essentially look at anything that's better than the other and almost cheaper than what you were originally looking at, it does raise a red flag.

If I'm buying a graphics card that's later and greater than the GTX 670 but is barely priced over the GTX 670, then why isn't it just that much more expensive? Are the performances large enough to say that the GTX 770 is in fact a better card?

Jake Wenta · Nov 10, 2013

700's are rebatched 600's, except the 780. same as amds R series, excluding the 290 and 260x.
and no, simply because for cheaper, you can get the 2400. and just lower the timings. if you need help when you have the guide, we would be happy to help.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231587
15% off

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

well i have read that the 770 is a rebatch of the 680 so it is really the next step up from the 670

Jake Wenta · Nov 10, 2013

Jacob-Harris :

And the 280x a rebath of the 7950.
Price to performance, amd wins. I using OpenCL-amd, if professional rendering and adobe and other uses CUDAs from nvidia. I would recommend AMD for Gaming.

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

Jake Wenta :

Agreed AMD has a better price to performance ratio

Jacob-Harris · Nov 10, 2013

Also maybe mantle could be something big for AMD as well

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