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November 10, 2013 5:59:28 PM

hello everyone i was gonna make a pc for 900$ but got more cash saved up so im looking to build a good gaming pc that will be able to play bf4 on ultra and titanfall when it comes out and atm i have 1300$ max i can spend and i need everything including the op i am tryn to go for windows 8 and amd cpu and gpu
so all i got so far is
but whatever will be good for future use to play on high to ultra with 60+ frames

GPU:AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card

CPU: AMD FX-9370 4.40 GHz (4.7 GHz Turbo) Eight-Core AM3+ CPU 8MB L2 Cache & Turbo Core Technology

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November 10, 2013 6:42:06 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/20tAb
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/20tAb/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/20tAb/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($80.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($98.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($290.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) ($98.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1234.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-10 21:41 EST-0500)
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November 10, 2013 6:47:42 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($184.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.94 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic Platinum 860W 80 PLUS Platinum Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) ($98.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell S2240M 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1205.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-10 21:47 EST-0500)

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November 10, 2013 7:10:22 PM

Lulz @ these answers.

CPU: Intel i5 4670. Not the K version, overclocking for gaming is nothing more than ego. Period.

CPU cooler: Drop kick it, its unnecessary with no OC

Mobo: ASRock Pro-4 Z87 or Extreme-4 Z87, I would run the Pro for bang-buck ratio

GPU: EVGA GTX770 4gig ACX Superclocked edition

RAM: Gskill/Corsair dual channel 8 gig kit CAS9 1600 mhz +, depends on what deals you can get mainly

Case: Zalmann Z-11

PSU: Take your pic. I don't like modular PSUs myself, but 750 watts is plenty. This is one part that I don't mind overkilling, because it means that whne you upgrade your mobo/CPu/GPU later down the track, you don't have to shell out ultimately more money for a higher wattage PSU.

C drive: depends on you more than anything. If you're like me and reformat about once a month, you won't want to use your C drive for anything more than save games and some programs, and do a disk image back up to your main HDD mentioned below. Anythiung upwards of 60 gigs is plenty for that. I like Kingston SSDs, so fast.

main HDD: Seagate barracudda 3tb 7200 RPM. Unlike the WD mentioned above, this will last longer than 6 months ;) 

CD drive: LG/Lite ons are good. You might want ot throw in blu-ray capacity.

Monitor: LG 21.5" or whatever good deal you can get. I won't use anything other than LG personally, bullet-proof.
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November 10, 2013 7:23:27 PM

thank you so far with the help but i need to no i hear that gaming in the short term future for bf4 and maybe titanfall that they will start to be able use the 8 core cpu's better for gaming over the intels quad cores thats why i am trying to go for a amd build
1 anyone no if this is true
2 i am looking for the best and newest gaming cpu for this build
3 from the side by side comparisions for GPU's i prefer the r9 280x 3gb over the nvidea gtx 770 2gb cause the image looks just a hair bettter but noticable even tho i will agree the 770 gave 3-5 more fps at times but there mostly the same
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November 10, 2013 7:32:29 PM

1. I find it thoroughly unlikely that it is true.
2. Even if it was true, Intels Hyper/Dual threading effectively makes it into an 8 logical core CPU without the issues of optimization and heat and yet still means that it will be able to use the proposed "8 core optimization" that is supposed to be coming out with these games.
3. I hear that alot, what I never hear about is how easy it is make them look identical with nothing more than adjustments to the monitor. Oh wait... Thats cos only AMD fan boys say it looks better. My bad Dx
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November 10, 2013 7:40:08 PM

lol i am a big nvidea fan all my previous computers had nvidea graphic i just been hearing and reading alot thats why i came here to get some pros oppinions thnks for the input Keira2142 also i love that case u recomended its sick so since i now no about the details can i get some help with the best computer with any parts for under 1300 that will do ultra settings on upcoming games much appreaciated also to everyone helping
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November 10, 2013 7:52:09 PM

also is it true that the intel i5 will always beat a intel i7 at gaming
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November 10, 2013 8:00:20 PM

Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.
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November 10, 2013 8:54:36 PM

Do not get the Athlon ii x4 750k at this budget. That processor is meant for lower end builds, not this.
It is theorized that games will start to use more cores because the next gen consoles are based on an 8 core processor. However, this is not confirmed and for the past years games have never used 8 cores. We don't know if next gen games will start to fully utilize 8-core, so we can't say anything about it.

Right now, there is no performance difference in games between an i5 and i7, so you should just grab an i5. I would say to still go for the 4670k at this budget because it won't hurt and it allows you to overclock your processor in the future when it starts to show its age.
Combine that with a Z87 chipset motherboard (Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H, ASRock Z87 Extreme4, or Asus Z87-A) and you'll have the option to overclock and SLI/crossfire in the future.
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November 10, 2013 9:01:13 PM

realchaos said:
Do not get the Athlon ii x4 750k at this budget. That processor is meant for lower end builds, not this.
It is theorized that games will start to use more cores because the next gen consoles are based on an 8 core processor. However, this is not confirmed and for the past years games have never used 8 cores. We don't know if next gen games will start to fully utilize 8-core, so we can't say anything about it.

Right now, there is no performance difference in games between an i5 and i7, so you should just grab an i5. I would say to still go for the 4670k at this budget because it won't hurt and it allows you to overclock your processor in the future when it starts to show its age.
Combine that with a Z87 chipset motherboard (Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H, ASRock Z87 Extreme4, or Asus Z87-A) and you'll have the option to overclock and SLI/crossfire in the future.


yea I realized that after coming to the conclusing we'd then be spending close to 300$ on a gpu. basically what i'm getting at is gpu>cpu. anyways i've been talking to him privately and this is what I put together for him.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/20xoh

I don't think you could really argue that besides maybe the ram or a better fx processor.
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November 10, 2013 9:14:05 PM

I switched a few things around actually, http://pcpartpicker.com/p/20xO1
got some lower profile ram with better cas timings to fit better with the hyper 212 cooler.
and a the fx 6350.
now I really don't think anyone could argue with that.
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November 10, 2013 9:18:10 PM

oh look i finally figured it out.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($134.99 @ TigerDirect)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($62.68 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.94 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($309.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $942.53
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-11 00:17 EST-0500)
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November 10, 2013 11:46:14 PM

emj503 said:
Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.


Wrong. Wrong in the wrongest of wrong ways. I've seen AMD CPUs melt with aftermarket fans maxed, fresh thermal paste and UNDERCLOCKED. Take your fanboy attitude elsewhere chump, hes after facts, not fantasies. If you can show me irrefutable proof that its better, I'll buy one for my next upgrade, on my life I will. But you can't, no one can because it can't be done, so I won't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've seen, with my own two eyes, AMD machines clock in at about 70-90% of the performance that magazines and most other media sources rave on about more times than I can count. Yes, fresh drivers, Yes fresh windows, yes to every conceivable possibility of a performance restriciton based on software used.

Yeah mate, I could argue that. I could successfully argue that with my tongue cut out and my fingers cut off, but you're so obviously nothing more than a fanboy that no amount of evidence will make you change your mind. And if you need an example of such a scenario, how about this right here and now: You've conveniently skipped over my post detailing how an i7 with hyper/dual threading is faster than an AMD APU 8 core @ 4ghz is not only just as fast if not faster, but runs cooler and will be infinitely compatible with both current, and future optimizations. I just feel sorry for this guy that he will end up with a machine that can be beaten by something $200 cheaper. I really do.

To avoid quadtripple posting, the following is a reply to sayzel:

the i7 is superior to the i5 at everything. It had damn well better be for an extra hundy stick! I dunno where you heard that but I wouldn't ask them for anymore advice... I'm also a LONG way away from being an expert. I rate myself as a 2 on the 5 star technical knowledge scale over at newegg, cos thats what I am. yeah I build gaming rigs for customers, I know a little and I get by. But on the grand scale of computer knowledge, from programming through to camping out for 12 hours to buy a brand new iphone only to be the first person in the world to smash it, I'm an ignorant 6 year old and the first to admit it.

What I do have, is real world, real time and real money experience with gaming rigs. I won't repeat what I've said above, and I accept with open arms that the majority of AMD customers simply adore their rig, to them I say bravo, I'm happy for them. But I've seen too many go wrong, and underperform when they weren't going wrong. I don't hate the company, I don't even hate their product. If I start seeing them perform consistently and reliably the same or better than their intel counterparts, I will put them on my short list for my next upgrade. But until then, have a serious think about how AMD can manage to produce an 8 core, 5 ghz CPU, and have it RETAIL out of your local store, for about $200? The answer is obvious, to me.
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November 11, 2013 12:12:18 AM

Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.


Wrong. Wrong in the wrongest of wrong ways. I've seen AMD CPUs melt with aftermarket fans maxed, fresh thermal paste and UNDERCLOCKED. Take your fanboy attitude elsewhere chump, hes after facts, not fantasies. If you can show me irrefutable proof that its better, I'll buy one for my next upgrade, on my life I will. But you can't, no one can because it can't be done, so I won't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've seen, with my own two eyes, AMD machines clock in at about 70-90% of the performance that magazines and most other media sources rave on about more times than I can count. Yes, fresh drivers, Yes fresh windows, yes to every conceivable possibility of a performance restriciton based on software used.

Yeah mate, I could argue that. I could successfully argue that with my tongue cut out and my fingers cut off, but you're so obviously nothing more than a fanboy that no amount of evidence will make you change your mind. And if you need an example of such a scenario, how about this right here and now: You've conveniently skipped over my post detailing how an i7 with hyper/dual threading is faster than an AMD APU 8 core @ 4ghz is not only just as fast if not faster, but runs cooler and will be infinitely compatible with both current, and future optimizations. I just feel sorry for this guy that he will end up with a machine that can be beaten by something $200 cheaper. I really do.

To avoid quadtripple posting, the following is a reply to sayzel:

the i7 is superior to the i5 at everything. It had damn well better be for an extra hundy stick! I dunno where you heard that but I wouldn't ask them for anymore advice... I'm also a LONG way away from being an expert. I rate myself as a 2 on the 5 star technical knowledge scale over at newegg, cos thats what I am. yeah I build gaming rigs for customers, I know a little and I get by. But on the grand scale of computer knowledge, from programming through to camping out for 12 hours to buy a brand new iphone only to be the first person in the world to smash it, I'm an ignorant 6 year old and the first to admit it.

What I do have, is real world, real time and real money experience with gaming rigs. I won't repeat what I've said above, and I accept with open arms that the majority of AMD customers simply adore their rig, to them I say bravo, I'm happy for them. But I've seen too many go wrong, and underperform when they weren't going wrong. I don't hate the company, I don't even hate their product. If I start seeing them perform consistently and reliably the same or better than their intel counterparts, I will put them on my short list for my next upgrade. But until then, have a serious think about how AMD can manage to produce an 8 core, 5 ghz CPU, and have it RETAIL out of your local store, for about $200? The answer is obvious, to me.


He wants a gaming rig. Good bye.
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November 11, 2013 12:22:18 AM

Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.


Wrong. Wrong in the wrongest of wrong ways. I've seen AMD CPUs melt with aftermarket fans maxed, fresh thermal paste and UNDERCLOCKED. Take your fanboy attitude elsewhere chump, hes after facts, not fantasies. If you can show me irrefutable proof that its better, I'll buy one for my next upgrade, on my life I will. But you can't, no one can because it can't be done, so I won't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've seen, with my own two eyes, AMD machines clock in at about 70-90% of the performance that magazines and most other media sources rave on about more times than I can count. Yes, fresh drivers, Yes fresh windows, yes to every conceivable possibility of a performance restriciton based on software used.

Yeah mate, I could argue that. I could successfully argue that with my tongue cut out and my fingers cut off, but you're so obviously nothing more than a fanboy that no amount of evidence will make you change your mind. And if you need an example of such a scenario, how about this right here and now: You've conveniently skipped over my post detailing how an i7 with hyper/dual threading is faster than an AMD APU 8 core @ 4ghz is not only just as fast if not faster, but runs cooler and will be infinitely compatible with both current, and future optimizations. I just feel sorry for this guy that he will end up with a machine that can be beaten by something $200 cheaper. I really do.

To avoid quadtripple posting, the following is a reply to sayzel:

the i7 is superior to the i5 at everything. It had damn well better be for an extra hundy stick! I dunno where you heard that but I wouldn't ask them for anymore advice... I'm also a LONG way away from being an expert. I rate myself as a 2 on the 5 star technical knowledge scale over at newegg, cos thats what I am. yeah I build gaming rigs for customers, I know a little and I get by. But on the grand scale of computer knowledge, from programming through to camping out for 12 hours to buy a brand new iphone only to be the first person in the world to smash it, I'm an ignorant 6 year old and the first to admit it.

What I do have, is real world, real time and real money experience with gaming rigs. I won't repeat what I've said above, and I accept with open arms that the majority of AMD customers simply adore their rig, to them I say bravo, I'm happy for them. But I've seen too many go wrong, and underperform when they weren't going wrong. I don't hate the company, I don't even hate their product. If I start seeing them perform consistently and reliably the same or better than their intel counterparts, I will put them on my short list for my next upgrade. But until then, have a serious think about how AMD can manage to produce an 8 core, 5 ghz CPU, and have it RETAIL out of your local store, for about $200? The answer is obvious, to me.


If you think the 3770 can even compete with the 8350 in a gaming scenario you're dreaming pal. not to mention the 8350 is still nearly 100$ cheapers. you're probably one of those people who think spending more on the processor then a gpu is better over all for a gaming rig.

lets just change this shake this a bit shall we. how about you show me a intel cpu thats on par with the 8350 for 200$.its impossible.
good bye.
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November 11, 2013 12:40:55 AM

An i5 can beat the FX-8350 in games because it is stronger in single-threaded applications, like games.
Here's what I would recommend:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($98.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.94 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($305.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1030.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-11 03:46 EST-0500)

Stronger processor. Performs better in games.
Doubled the SSD.
Better quality psu.
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November 11, 2013 1:50:57 PM

emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.


Wrong. Wrong in the wrongest of wrong ways. I've seen AMD CPUs melt with aftermarket fans maxed, fresh thermal paste and UNDERCLOCKED. Take your fanboy attitude elsewhere chump, hes after facts, not fantasies. If you can show me irrefutable proof that its better, I'll buy one for my next upgrade, on my life I will. But you can't, no one can because it can't be done, so I won't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've seen, with my own two eyes, AMD machines clock in at about 70-90% of the performance that magazines and most other media sources rave on about more times than I can count. Yes, fresh drivers, Yes fresh windows, yes to every conceivable possibility of a performance restriciton based on software used.

Yeah mate, I could argue that. I could successfully argue that with my tongue cut out and my fingers cut off, but you're so obviously nothing more than a fanboy that no amount of evidence will make you change your mind. And if you need an example of such a scenario, how about this right here and now: You've conveniently skipped over my post detailing how an i7 with hyper/dual threading is faster than an AMD APU 8 core @ 4ghz is not only just as fast if not faster, but runs cooler and will be infinitely compatible with both current, and future optimizations. I just feel sorry for this guy that he will end up with a machine that can be beaten by something $200 cheaper. I really do.

To avoid quadtripple posting, the following is a reply to sayzel:

the i7 is superior to the i5 at everything. It had damn well better be for an extra hundy stick! I dunno where you heard that but I wouldn't ask them for anymore advice... I'm also a LONG way away from being an expert. I rate myself as a 2 on the 5 star technical knowledge scale over at newegg, cos thats what I am. yeah I build gaming rigs for customers, I know a little and I get by. But on the grand scale of computer knowledge, from programming through to camping out for 12 hours to buy a brand new iphone only to be the first person in the world to smash it, I'm an ignorant 6 year old and the first to admit it.

What I do have, is real world, real time and real money experience with gaming rigs. I won't repeat what I've said above, and I accept with open arms that the majority of AMD customers simply adore their rig, to them I say bravo, I'm happy for them. But I've seen too many go wrong, and underperform when they weren't going wrong. I don't hate the company, I don't even hate their product. If I start seeing them perform consistently and reliably the same or better than their intel counterparts, I will put them on my short list for my next upgrade. But until then, have a serious think about how AMD can manage to produce an 8 core, 5 ghz CPU, and have it RETAIL out of your local store, for about $200? The answer is obvious, to me.


If you think the 3770 can even compete with the 8350 in a gaming scenario you're dreaming pal. not to mention the 8350 is still nearly 100$ cheapers. you're probably one of those people who think spending more on the processor then a gpu is better over all for a gaming rig.

lets just change this shake this a bit shall we. how about you show me a intel cpu thats on par with the 8350 for 200$.its impossible.
good bye.


Okay: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54440

I like it how you still haven't addressed everything I've said and how and why intel is faster and instead choose to inflame tensions without any evidence whatsoever. Heres the thing though, I have watched these things happen. All you are doing, is looking at spec sheets.

Yes, its definitely logical to skimp out on the CPU and get a badass GPU. I live by three mantras champ: 1: give credit where credit is due 2: tightarsery saves nothing and 3: A computer is only as fast as its slowest component. I am obviously calling number three into play as you are due no credit and tightarsery isn't the topic.

Also, you seem to say goodbye alot. Could it be that you are a 12 year old keyboard warrior that keeps thinking of witty things to say after hes posted?

to realchaos: Good build.
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November 11, 2013 4:09:21 PM

Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.


Wrong. Wrong in the wrongest of wrong ways. I've seen AMD CPUs melt with aftermarket fans maxed, fresh thermal paste and UNDERCLOCKED. Take your fanboy attitude elsewhere chump, hes after facts, not fantasies. If you can show me irrefutable proof that its better, I'll buy one for my next upgrade, on my life I will. But you can't, no one can because it can't be done, so I won't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've seen, with my own two eyes, AMD machines clock in at about 70-90% of the performance that magazines and most other media sources rave on about more times than I can count. Yes, fresh drivers, Yes fresh windows, yes to every conceivable possibility of a performance restriciton based on software used.

Yeah mate, I could argue that. I could successfully argue that with my tongue cut out and my fingers cut off, but you're so obviously nothing more than a fanboy that no amount of evidence will make you change your mind. And if you need an example of such a scenario, how about this right here and now: You've conveniently skipped over my post detailing how an i7 with hyper/dual threading is faster than an AMD APU 8 core @ 4ghz is not only just as fast if not faster, but runs cooler and will be infinitely compatible with both current, and future optimizations. I just feel sorry for this guy that he will end up with a machine that can be beaten by something $200 cheaper. I really do.

To avoid quadtripple posting, the following is a reply to sayzel:

the i7 is superior to the i5 at everything. It had damn well better be for an extra hundy stick! I dunno where you heard that but I wouldn't ask them for anymore advice... I'm also a LONG way away from being an expert. I rate myself as a 2 on the 5 star technical knowledge scale over at newegg, cos thats what I am. yeah I build gaming rigs for customers, I know a little and I get by. But on the grand scale of computer knowledge, from programming through to camping out for 12 hours to buy a brand new iphone only to be the first person in the world to smash it, I'm an ignorant 6 year old and the first to admit it.

What I do have, is real world, real time and real money experience with gaming rigs. I won't repeat what I've said above, and I accept with open arms that the majority of AMD customers simply adore their rig, to them I say bravo, I'm happy for them. But I've seen too many go wrong, and underperform when they weren't going wrong. I don't hate the company, I don't even hate their product. If I start seeing them perform consistently and reliably the same or better than their intel counterparts, I will put them on my short list for my next upgrade. But until then, have a serious think about how AMD can manage to produce an 8 core, 5 ghz CPU, and have it RETAIL out of your local store, for about $200? The answer is obvious, to me.


If you think the 3770 can even compete with the 8350 in a gaming scenario you're dreaming pal. not to mention the 8350 is still nearly 100$ cheapers. you're probably one of those people who think spending more on the processor then a gpu is better over all for a gaming rig.

lets just change this shake this a bit shall we. how about you show me a intel cpu thats on par with the 8350 for 200$.its impossible.
good bye.


Okay: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54440

I like it how you still haven't addressed everything I've said and how and why intel is faster and instead choose to inflame tensions without any evidence whatsoever. Heres the thing though, I have watched these things happen. All you are doing, is looking at spec sheets.

Yes, its definitely logical to skimp out on the CPU and get a badass GPU. I live by three mantras champ: 1: give credit where credit is due 2: tightarsery saves nothing and 3: A computer is only as fast as its slowest component. I am obviously calling number three into play as you are due no credit and tightarsery isn't the topic.

Also, you seem to say goodbye alot. Could it be that you are a 12 year old keyboard warrior that keeps thinking of witty things to say after hes posted?

to realchaos: Good build.


Okay so a quad core processor stocked at 3.1ghz wont bottleneck a 300$ gpu but a 8 core processor stocked at 4.0ghz will. that makes sense. Not like he didn't include help with amd build please in his title and you keep bringing up intel. i'm still not convinced that intel beats amd in price and performance sorry. who cares if the amd runs a little hot the 8350 still has more cores still is faster and still has better cache then the i5 4770. keep trying.
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November 11, 2013 5:30:49 PM

sayzel said:
also is it true that the intel i5 will always beat a intel i7 at gaming


No, but games don't require hyperthreading yet so you'd save a lot of money by buying the i5.
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November 11, 2013 5:52:50 PM

emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.


Wrong. Wrong in the wrongest of wrong ways. I've seen AMD CPUs melt with aftermarket fans maxed, fresh thermal paste and UNDERCLOCKED. Take your fanboy attitude elsewhere chump, hes after facts, not fantasies. If you can show me irrefutable proof that its better, I'll buy one for my next upgrade, on my life I will. But you can't, no one can because it can't be done, so I won't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've seen, with my own two eyes, AMD machines clock in at about 70-90% of the performance that magazines and most other media sources rave on about more times than I can count. Yes, fresh drivers, Yes fresh windows, yes to every conceivable possibility of a performance restriciton based on software used.

Yeah mate, I could argue that. I could successfully argue that with my tongue cut out and my fingers cut off, but you're so obviously nothing more than a fanboy that no amount of evidence will make you change your mind. And if you need an example of such a scenario, how about this right here and now: You've conveniently skipped over my post detailing how an i7 with hyper/dual threading is faster than an AMD APU 8 core @ 4ghz is not only just as fast if not faster, but runs cooler and will be infinitely compatible with both current, and future optimizations. I just feel sorry for this guy that he will end up with a machine that can be beaten by something $200 cheaper. I really do.

To avoid quadtripple posting, the following is a reply to sayzel:

the i7 is superior to the i5 at everything. It had damn well better be for an extra hundy stick! I dunno where you heard that but I wouldn't ask them for anymore advice... I'm also a LONG way away from being an expert. I rate myself as a 2 on the 5 star technical knowledge scale over at newegg, cos thats what I am. yeah I build gaming rigs for customers, I know a little and I get by. But on the grand scale of computer knowledge, from programming through to camping out for 12 hours to buy a brand new iphone only to be the first person in the world to smash it, I'm an ignorant 6 year old and the first to admit it.

What I do have, is real world, real time and real money experience with gaming rigs. I won't repeat what I've said above, and I accept with open arms that the majority of AMD customers simply adore their rig, to them I say bravo, I'm happy for them. But I've seen too many go wrong, and underperform when they weren't going wrong. I don't hate the company, I don't even hate their product. If I start seeing them perform consistently and reliably the same or better than their intel counterparts, I will put them on my short list for my next upgrade. But until then, have a serious think about how AMD can manage to produce an 8 core, 5 ghz CPU, and have it RETAIL out of your local store, for about $200? The answer is obvious, to me.


If you think the 3770 can even compete with the 8350 in a gaming scenario you're dreaming pal. not to mention the 8350 is still nearly 100$ cheapers. you're probably one of those people who think spending more on the processor then a gpu is better over all for a gaming rig.

lets just change this shake this a bit shall we. how about you show me a intel cpu thats on par with the 8350 for 200$.its impossible.
good bye.


Okay: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54440

I like it how you still haven't addressed everything I've said and how and why intel is faster and instead choose to inflame tensions without any evidence whatsoever. Heres the thing though, I have watched these things happen. All you are doing, is looking at spec sheets.

Yes, its definitely logical to skimp out on the CPU and get a badass GPU. I live by three mantras champ: 1: give credit where credit is due 2: tightarsery saves nothing and 3: A computer is only as fast as its slowest component. I am obviously calling number three into play as you are due no credit and tightarsery isn't the topic.

Also, you seem to say goodbye alot. Could it be that you are a 12 year old keyboard warrior that keeps thinking of witty things to say after hes posted?

to realchaos: Good build.


Okay so a quad core processor stocked at 3.1ghz wont bottleneck a 300$ gpu but a 8 core processor stocked at 4.0ghz will. that makes sense. Not like he didn't include help with amd build please in his title and you keep bringing up intel. i'm still not convinced that intel beats amd in price and performance sorry. who cares if the amd runs a little hot the 8350 still has more cores still is faster and still has better cache then the i5 4770. keep trying.


You're still conveniently ignoring all the information I've listed off, you're still preaching spec sheets and accepting them as facts and I never said the AMD CPU would bottle neck not even anything of the sought.

Since your'e clearly too inexperienced and/or stupid to understand anything beyond a basic specifications sheet, allow me to argue with you on your mundane level: The AMD CPU you listed uses a 32nm architecture, while the intel uses a 22nm, making it faster from day one. Also, even though you will brush over it again: For the moment and the forseeable future, the quad core intel will remain faster than your 8350 because games are not optimized for 8 cores at this time. Said it twice now, along with my hyper threading remark, both of which you have conveniently failed to offer an intelligent retort to.

Conversations over kiddo. You can troll around and spew as many spec sheets as you like, but until I see it happen, I'm not buying your rants or your products.

Peace
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November 11, 2013 5:55:14 PM

sora said:
sayzel said:
also is it true that the intel i5 will always beat a intel i7 at gaming


No, but games don't require hyperthreading yet so you'd save a lot of money by buying the i5.


And by the time games will require hyper threading, you will be looking to upgrade anyhow. Overkilling now to future proof will almost always lead to regret. Example: My cousin bought the i72600k when it came out. Now he has the newest 1155 mobo with PCI-E 3.0 and the works, but his CPU doesn't support PCI-E 3.0, so its limiting his GPU.
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November 11, 2013 5:59:25 PM

Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Also it is true that AMD can do everything Intel can at almost half the price with very marginal differences. did you even look at this?

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Devices-AD750KWOHJBOX-Gr...

If you don't like that and really want the 8 cores just get this

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Seri...

again only difference is the 8 cores and slight speed and price point. both are very overclockable.

take the extra 100-200$ you saved on the cpu and get a really killer gpu.
that is what I'd personally do.
don't buy Intel for gaming just saved yourself now and get Intel out of your mind.


Wrong. Wrong in the wrongest of wrong ways. I've seen AMD CPUs melt with aftermarket fans maxed, fresh thermal paste and UNDERCLOCKED. Take your fanboy attitude elsewhere chump, hes after facts, not fantasies. If you can show me irrefutable proof that its better, I'll buy one for my next upgrade, on my life I will. But you can't, no one can because it can't be done, so I won't.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've seen, with my own two eyes, AMD machines clock in at about 70-90% of the performance that magazines and most other media sources rave on about more times than I can count. Yes, fresh drivers, Yes fresh windows, yes to every conceivable possibility of a performance restriciton based on software used.

Yeah mate, I could argue that. I could successfully argue that with my tongue cut out and my fingers cut off, but you're so obviously nothing more than a fanboy that no amount of evidence will make you change your mind. And if you need an example of such a scenario, how about this right here and now: You've conveniently skipped over my post detailing how an i7 with hyper/dual threading is faster than an AMD APU 8 core @ 4ghz is not only just as fast if not faster, but runs cooler and will be infinitely compatible with both current, and future optimizations. I just feel sorry for this guy that he will end up with a machine that can be beaten by something $200 cheaper. I really do.

To avoid quadtripple posting, the following is a reply to sayzel:

the i7 is superior to the i5 at everything. It had damn well better be for an extra hundy stick! I dunno where you heard that but I wouldn't ask them for anymore advice... I'm also a LONG way away from being an expert. I rate myself as a 2 on the 5 star technical knowledge scale over at newegg, cos thats what I am. yeah I build gaming rigs for customers, I know a little and I get by. But on the grand scale of computer knowledge, from programming through to camping out for 12 hours to buy a brand new iphone only to be the first person in the world to smash it, I'm an ignorant 6 year old and the first to admit it.

What I do have, is real world, real time and real money experience with gaming rigs. I won't repeat what I've said above, and I accept with open arms that the majority of AMD customers simply adore their rig, to them I say bravo, I'm happy for them. But I've seen too many go wrong, and underperform when they weren't going wrong. I don't hate the company, I don't even hate their product. If I start seeing them perform consistently and reliably the same or better than their intel counterparts, I will put them on my short list for my next upgrade. But until then, have a serious think about how AMD can manage to produce an 8 core, 5 ghz CPU, and have it RETAIL out of your local store, for about $200? The answer is obvious, to me.


If you think the 3770 can even compete with the 8350 in a gaming scenario you're dreaming pal. not to mention the 8350 is still nearly 100$ cheapers. you're probably one of those people who think spending more on the processor then a gpu is better over all for a gaming rig.

lets just change this shake this a bit shall we. how about you show me a intel cpu thats on par with the 8350 for 200$.its impossible.
good bye.


Okay: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54440

I like it how you still haven't addressed everything I've said and how and why intel is faster and instead choose to inflame tensions without any evidence whatsoever. Heres the thing though, I have watched these things happen. All you are doing, is looking at spec sheets.

Yes, its definitely logical to skimp out on the CPU and get a badass GPU. I live by three mantras champ: 1: give credit where credit is due 2: tightarsery saves nothing and 3: A computer is only as fast as its slowest component. I am obviously calling number three into play as you are due no credit and tightarsery isn't the topic.

Also, you seem to say goodbye alot. Could it be that you are a 12 year old keyboard warrior that keeps thinking of witty things to say after hes posted?

to realchaos: Good build.


Okay so a quad core processor stocked at 3.1ghz wont bottleneck a 300$ gpu but a 8 core processor stocked at 4.0ghz will. that makes sense. Not like he didn't include help with amd build please in his title and you keep bringing up intel. i'm still not convinced that intel beats amd in price and performance sorry. who cares if the amd runs a little hot the 8350 still has more cores still is faster and still has better cache then the i5 4770. keep trying.


You're still conveniently ignoring all the information I've listed off, you're still preaching spec sheets and accepting them as facts and I never said the AMD CPU would bottle neck not even anything of the sought.

Since your'e clearly too inexperienced and/or stupid to understand anything beyond a basic specifications sheet, allow me to argue with you on your mundane level: The AMD CPU you listed uses a 32nm architecture, while the intel uses a 22nm, making it faster from day one. Also, even though you will brush over it again: For the moment and the forseeable future, the quad core intel will remain faster than your 8350 because games are not optimized for 8 cores at this time. Said it twice now, along with my hyper threading remark, both of which you have conveniently failed to offer an intelligent retort to.

Conversations over kiddo. You can troll around and spew as many spec sheets as you like, but until I see it happen, I'm not buying your rants or your products.

Peace


Yet you've still failed to even read the mans title. yet i'm the troll. haha how ironic. and you're the one who linked the page to the intel 4770 first not me. so sadly you're trying to make this into a debate I do not wish to participate in. the fact is the man wants a amd system and you're telling me you'll never buy my rants or products when you're obviously the one ranting and trolling. any thing else you'd like to add all so mighty know it all. PEACE
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November 11, 2013 6:05:59 PM

Keira2142 said:
sora said:
sayzel said:
also is it true that the intel i5 will always beat a intel i7 at gaming


No, but games don't require hyperthreading yet so you'd save a lot of money by buying the i5.


And by the time games will require hyper threading, you will be looking to upgrade anyhow. Overkilling now to future proof will almost always lead to regret. Example: My cousin bought the i72600k when it came out. Now he has the newest 1155 mobo with PCI-E 3.0 and the works, but his CPU doesn't support PCI-E 3.0, so its limiting his GPU.


Mentioning a nearly 400$ cpu in a 900$ is irrelevant. and even mentioning a intel cpu on thread titled 'please help on pc build AMD setup' is extremely irrelevant. I know you're trying to prove your silly points but its still irrelevant maybe you should stop spewing for a moment and realize just how much of an elitist and fan boy you sound like yourself.
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November 11, 2013 7:26:43 PM

emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
sora said:
sayzel said:
also is it true that the intel i5 will always beat a intel i7 at gaming


No, but games don't require hyperthreading yet so you'd save a lot of money by buying the i5.


And by the time games will require hyper threading, you will be looking to upgrade anyhow. Overkilling now to future proof will almost always lead to regret. Example: My cousin bought the i72600k when it came out. Now he has the newest 1155 mobo with PCI-E 3.0 and the works, but his CPU doesn't support PCI-E 3.0, so its limiting his GPU.


Mentioning a nearly 400$ cpu in a 900$ is irrelevant. and even mentioning a intel cpu on thread titled 'please help on pc build AMD setup' is extremely irrelevant. I know you're trying to prove your silly points but its still irrelevant maybe you should stop spewing for a moment and realize just how much of an elitist and fan boy you sound like yourself.


You are just too funny. Still ignoring all my evidence, still taking potshots. Please, keep going, this is making me laugh.

You posting a $1200 build in a $900 budget, is also extremely irrelevant :D 
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November 11, 2013 8:15:48 PM

Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
sora said:
sayzel said:
also is it true that the intel i5 will always beat a intel i7 at gaming


No, but games don't require hyperthreading yet so you'd save a lot of money by buying the i5.


And by the time games will require hyper threading, you will be looking to upgrade anyhow. Overkilling now to future proof will almost always lead to regret. Example: My cousin bought the i72600k when it came out. Now he has the newest 1155 mobo with PCI-E 3.0 and the works, but his CPU doesn't support PCI-E 3.0, so its limiting his GPU.


Mentioning a nearly 400$ cpu in a 900$ is irrelevant. and even mentioning a intel cpu on thread titled 'please help on pc build AMD setup' is extremely irrelevant. I know you're trying to prove your silly points but its still irrelevant maybe you should stop spewing for a moment and realize just how much of an elitist and fan boy you sound like yourself.


You are just too funny. Still ignoring all my evidence, still taking potshots. Please, keep going, this is making me laugh.

You posting a $1200 build in a $900 budget, is also extremely irrelevant :D 


1200$ build? that build is still under 1000$ with the 8350 :)  maybe intel equivalent will cost upwards of $1200. I'm ignoring your so called evidence because this thread is about a 900$ budget amd build. The thread owner and I discussed his build privately and he went with the 8350 and everything else I suggested and was still under 1000$. so please continue to stroke your ego because I'm also getting quite a laugh from this as well.
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November 11, 2013 8:21:10 PM

Can you guys please stop going off topic? If you two want to discuss something, then please kindly take it to private messages. If you have nothing more to contribute to this build, please stop replying things that will not help the OP.
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November 12, 2013 10:48:21 PM

emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
emj503 said:
Keira2142 said:
sora said:
sayzel said:
also is it true that the intel i5 will always beat a intel i7 at gaming


No, but games don't require hyperthreading yet so you'd save a lot of money by buying the i5.


And by the time games will require hyper threading, you will be looking to upgrade anyhow. Overkilling now to future proof will almost always lead to regret. Example: My cousin bought the i72600k when it came out. Now he has the newest 1155 mobo with PCI-E 3.0 and the works, but his CPU doesn't support PCI-E 3.0, so its limiting his GPU.


Mentioning a nearly 400$ cpu in a 900$ is irrelevant. and even mentioning a intel cpu on thread titled 'please help on pc build AMD setup' is extremely irrelevant. I know you're trying to prove your silly points but its still irrelevant maybe you should stop spewing for a moment and realize just how much of an elitist and fan boy you sound like yourself.


You are just too funny. Still ignoring all my evidence, still taking potshots. Please, keep going, this is making me laugh.

You posting a $1200 build in a $900 budget, is also extremely irrelevant :D 


1200$ build? that build is still under 1000$ with the 8350 :)  maybe intel equivalent will cost upwards of $1200. I'm ignoring your so called evidence because this thread is about a 900$ budget amd build. The thread owner and I discussed his build privately and he went with the 8350 and everything else I suggested and was still under 1000$. so please continue to stroke your ego because I'm also getting quite a laugh from this as well.


Actually, if we went by your MOAR SPEC SHEETS! logic, the intel equivilent doesn't exist. You're ignoring all my arguments because you've got nothing in return. Thats all there is too it fanboy. but you're right about one thing: I did falsley accuse you of posting the $1200 build, thats my bad. Apologies.

See what I did there? Admitted and accepted I was wrong? So far you are up to about 12 posts since my arguments destroyed yours, and you've still done nothing but quote spec sheets, stamp your foot and tell me AMD is better and ignored your own advice. See what the thread title is? PLEASE HELP on pc build amd setup. PLEASE HELP! I helped. Now you've ripped him off on a machine thats gonna get shot down by my next $900 intel and nvidia build.

My closing arguments are: 1. grow a brain cell. 2: Get real world experience 3: Learn to read your own links 4: Learn more about CPU architecture. 5: Follow your own advice

and SIX: SHOW ME that AMD is better and I will buy it. On my life I will buy it.
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