Sapphire R9 Series VS R9 280X TOXIC OR R9 290 ???

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Sapphire R9 Series, R9 280X TOXIC OR R9 290 ???

struggling real bad, what to get guys?

and what are the pros and cons?

I really Liked Toxic but i know R9 290 performs slightly better???

help please!
 
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plus 1 for the r9 290 Toxic. I would lay on the floor in happiness if it were to release (you know... and they actually get stock). I pulled the trigger on an r9 280x Asus Platinum and while I was happy with it in the begining (seeing it ran at 1200mhz on the stock 1.256mV) it ended up being defective after a week or so. Actually alot of people seem to had that issue they are getting killed on newegg that rep is jumping all around the place doing quality control. My theory is that they arent restocking because there wont be much of a market for those higher cost 280x's. After tax and shipping the Toxic is right at $400 and seeing how much booty the r9 290 kicks, even with these thermal limitations they could throw a higher price tag on...
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The coolers are from the reference model atm and the gpu runs extremely hot and need to wait for the brands to make their own cooling systems. The 280x toxic has good coolers from sapphire, depends if you want to wait.
 
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your best bet is to just wait for the aftermarket coolers for the 290/290X. If they make a 290X toxic I am sold. But dealing with such a hot card I doubt there will be much overclock room
 
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Understood! looks like there's more waiting to do! thanks!

Can I ask generally what will the fps difference be?

let's say bf4 ultra maxed settings? 19x10,

would it be just 3-5 fps different or would it be Huge like 5-10 , or even more fps?
 
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thanks for all the replies!

Think Im gonna wait for a month and see from there!

but I'm so in love with Toxic of it's cooling and read that It oc's to trade blows with 780 so I guess as good as a 290 non-x?

or no?
 
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correct the 280x toxic is currently the most powerfull of the 280x series. it competes with a stock 780 easily. I can see it coming close in 1080p with a stock 290 and be a more attractive option since it looks so cool, let's not forget about the nice size/backplate triX fans and nice finish on the visual look of the card itself...

but since it's not in stock yet in nearly every store you really should wait until some reviews come out of those cards because who knows there might be problems with the 280x toxic we don't know about yet.
 
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Depends on the game aswell, in battlefield 4 it will most likely be closer together the fps difference, still for the price it's worth it because in my country a gtx 780 is what ... 450 euros? while the r9 280x toxic is 298.

If you look at price performance the r9 280x toxic wins hands down.
 
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plus 1 for the r9 290 Toxic. I would lay on the floor in happiness if it were to release (you know... and they actually get stock). I pulled the trigger on an r9 280x Asus Platinum and while I was happy with it in the begining (seeing it ran at 1200mhz on the stock 1.256mV) it ended up being defective after a week or so. Actually alot of people seem to had that issue they are getting killed on newegg that rep is jumping all around the place doing quality control. My theory is that they arent restocking because there wont be much of a market for those higher cost 280x's. After tax and shipping the Toxic is right at $400 and seeing how much booty the r9 290 kicks, even with these thermal limitations they could throw a higher price tag on and have more margin for profit supplying those. Word is towards the end of november the cards will drop. Which would no doubt explain the lack of restocking a bunch of rebranded 7970s. I can only hope, this waiting has made me realize how impatient I am. I need a lesson in restraint i almost pulled the trigger on a reference card.

Oh plus some AIBs announced all their r9 290s and r7s ship with BF4 now(Sapphire comes to mind). so there is some extra value and a helluva lot more power than the r9 280x, especially at higher resolutions.

so pros to waiting and going for a Non Ref r9 290
- Aftermarket Cooler (possibly a toxic)
- Much higher performance.
- TruAudio
- newer "Hawaii" Gpu
- ONE WHOLE gig extra Vram
- Wider bus size
- More efficient crossfire
- Performance per dollar is amazing. Seriously look at that chart. next to the titan it is a funny sight to see.
i could go on

Cons to go for the r9 290 non ref
- you have to wait
- maybe an extra $45 50 dollars MAX on top of what you would have paid for a Toxic at newegg

Also to help lower the cost you should keep an eye out for newegg promos. there are always 5% off ones and that will easily take off 35 or more dollars making an even better deal.
 
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Its all relative to what you want man. $300 dollars for that isnt bad but if you can make your dollars stretch or save up for another month or so you will end up spending less in the long run. Plain and simple the Hawaii gpu is just better than the Tahiti. Is that saying the last gen chip is bad? no but the difference in some games is 20+ frames thats the difference from a slighty choppy 40 frames per second to a smoooth 60.

The rebranded 7970 shouldnt have a problem maxing out most games at 1080p and some will just need minor tweaking like turning down the anti aliasing a bit. But if your like me and enjoy modding or texture packs than the exta gig of vram sounds beautiful. Especially since my modded skyrim pushes over 2 gigs I like knowing I have more buffer zone. A quick example would be my older rig with 2x 6870s in crossfire. They kick butt, but the 1gb vram ceiling absolutely murders my fps.

another good reason to go with the r9 290 for $100 more BEFORE discounts/tax/s&h would be that you have a more feasible upgrade path. Lets say you buy a r9 280x now, 7 months from now you feel the newer gen titles are running slow on your computer sooo you decide to lateral upgrade (buy another 280x for crossfire) But now you have an insufficient powersupply bam another $130 for idk a 800w psu. Now you have spent almost $750+ IF you opt for free shipping.

Now the other scenario is you copped out the extra cash now and the r9 290s extra 28% performance jump has kept you satisfied idk 15 months. Now even though you are satisfied lets say you choose to sell that card for the R9 3xx series cards that are finally dropping. Even though you paid $400 i guarantee you someone will buy that from you no less than $200 because there are those whom would rather laterally upgrade than move into next gen and invest in another card..

So what im trying to say is yes, its more money now but itll perform at an acceptable level longer therefore making it easier to resell because its more relevant, as where you will find those rebranded 7970s on ebay for $100 in 15+ months.

r9 280x is the older chip, naturally its gonna depreciate more quickly than the r9 290.
 
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By looking at the newegg reviews, the coolers on most are awful, all except the Gigabyte one, which I just purchased because I was also happy with their 7870

 
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By looking at the newegg reviews, the coolers on most are awful, all except the Gigabyte one, which I just purchased because I was also happy with their 7870

 
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