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November 12, 2013 6:49:05 AM

Alright so I've been playing bf4 on around low settings and my fps goes average from about 50-70 but it will randomly drop to unplayable fps like around 5-15 fps. Also on my fx-6100 I disabled 2 cores and it seems to run better then having all six on but I still get stutters. I also checked my cpu usage while playing and it sometimes goes to 100% is there any way to fix this? Also my drivers are all up to date. I'm coming to think its just my gpu. I'm also planning on updating to a 280 x in the next month or so.

Fx-6100 @4 ghz
560ti
8gb ram 1566mhz

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November 12, 2013 7:29:32 AM

How about try to disable 3 cores? Keep only 3 "full" cores.
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November 12, 2013 8:00:40 AM

filippi said:
How about try to disable 3 cores? Keep only 3 "full" cores.

In what way would this help, and my motherboard only let's me disable them in 2's like 3-4 and 5-6
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November 12, 2013 11:29:03 AM

if your CPU usage goes to 100% during the stutters I'm thinking that it's your GPU hanging, what's your power supply and does your computer stutter while doing anything else?

Edit: and filippi's suggesting is to disable 1 core in each module so that the remaining three in each module can be optimized for lightly-threaded applications (like most current games), since you can then megaclock what is essentially a 3 core processor to increase performance per core. I'm not sure how well that applies to BF4 though, doesn't it utilize threading in CPUs?

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1878116/gtx-560-...

there seems to be another thread on this, I would go with the 2nd poster's suggestion and monitor your vram usage
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November 12, 2013 12:24:27 PM

lmaonade200 said:
if your CPU usage goes to 100% during the stutters I'm thinking that it's your GPU hanging, what's your power supply and does your computer stutter while doing anything else?

Edit: and filippi's suggesting is to disable 1 core in each module so that the remaining three in each module can be optimized for lightly-threaded applications (like most current games), since you can then megaclock what is essentially a 3 core processor to increase performance per core. I'm not sure how well that applies to BF4 though, doesn't it utilize threading in CPUs?

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1878116/gtx-560-...

there seems to be another thread on this, I would go with the 2nd poster's suggestion and monitor your vram usage

So what your saying is that my gpu could be going over the amount of vram so my cpu tends to take over more of the game so that causes the stutters maybe? Also how would i disable 1 core in each module, just to try it out and see if it helps?

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November 12, 2013 1:08:42 PM

Opened up MSI Afterburner, and my vram went up to 907mb as its max so its obviously not that, but after I oc'ed my cpu a bit my stutters have ldecreased a bit, but are still there, also my game seems to crash sometimes and just freeze, but I've heard this happen to alot of people.
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November 12, 2013 2:27:41 PM

try a better video card.
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November 12, 2013 2:38:37 PM

Supposed to be a major update comin for bf4 tomorrow so hopefully that helps.
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November 12, 2013 2:47:52 PM

Jared133 said:
Supposed to be a major update comin for bf4 tomorrow so hopefully that helps.


that's why I listed the second link.
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November 12, 2013 2:48:42 PM

Jared133 said:
Supposed to be a major update comin for bf4 tomorrow so hopefully that helps.


that's why I listed the second link. game should have been ready to go out of the box........... but they all keep dumping crap on us from the git go.
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November 12, 2013 3:32:41 PM

yes it could be that it's unoptimized then since your afterburner results came in fine :(  we'll see tomorrow though, if you're still having troubles just bump the thread!

and as for disabling cores, you have to do that through the BIOS I believe and it only works on certain motherboards so I think you shouldn't try it at all, it's pretty risky if you're new to it
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November 12, 2013 5:43:50 PM

seeing how BF4 is a multi thread game i wouldn't disable any cores........... don't think that has anything to do with the problem.
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November 13, 2013 9:50:10 PM

hmm oddly enough it looks like your whole system is hanging, since your CPU is showing signs of doing so too, have you tried running any sort of stress test? And what's your PSU model and wattage? Also does it happen with any other programs/games?

Try running Prime95 for a while (few hours I would say) and see if there are any CPU problems, then/or run FurMark to stress your GPU (and your PSU along with it), and run CPUid HW monitor all the while to check power voltages and temperatures. I'm getting a feeling that it might be a PSU problem (system unable to pull power during heavy usage aka BF4 gaming), but I can't exactly say so.
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November 14, 2013 3:36:50 AM

lmaonade200 said:
hmm oddly enough it looks like your whole system is hanging, since your CPU is showing signs of doing so too, have you tried running any sort of stress test? And what's your PSU model and wattage? Also does it happen with any other programs/games?

Try running Prime95 for a while (few hours I would say) and see if there are any CPU problems, then/or run FurMark to stress your GPU (and your PSU along with it), and run CPUid HW monitor all the while to check power voltages and temperatures. I'm getting a feeling that it might be a PSU problem (system unable to pull power during heavy usage aka BF4 gaming), but I can't exactly say so.

My psu is a stock 450 watt that came with my computer so it could be the problem, every other game seems to run fine without these fps drops, I'll run those tests when I get home.
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November 14, 2013 4:56:59 AM

You never listed the resolution you're playing at on low with your system specs.
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November 14, 2013 5:15:50 AM

PinchedNerve said:
You never listed the resolution you're playing at on low with your system specs.

1920x1080 at 100%

Not home so I can't get a screenshot.
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November 14, 2013 7:08:57 AM

Reduce your resolution, its to high for BF4 and your specs.
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November 14, 2013 8:03:35 AM

again, replace video card....... and after reading on, replace your PS also.............. until then, take suggestion of reduced in game settings and lower your resolution to something your card can manage.
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November 14, 2013 11:17:44 AM

an FX 6100 @ 4Ghz and a 560 Ti is by no means a weak system and should be able to play BF4 at 1080p on low on single player modes.

but do try lowering the resolution and see if you're still getting the stutters, do still run the test though since the PSU is still looking fishy at this point, it shouldn't be a problem with just your GPU if your CPU also hangs during the game at certain points. Worst case scenario your whole system needs replacing but that's not exactly something helpful :x
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November 14, 2013 11:22:35 AM

lmaonade200 said:
an FX 6100 @ 4Ghz and a 560 Ti is by no means a weak system and should be able to play BF4 at 1080p on low on single player modes.

but do try lowering the resolution and see if you're still getting the stutters, do still run the test though since the PSU is still looking fishy at this point, it shouldn't be a problem with just your GPU if your CPU also hangs during the game at certain points. Worst case scenario your whole system needs replacing but that's not exactly something helpful :x


the 560 is a turd. he needs a 2gig 6950 or better to get some responsive gaming at that res.

also. how well is the over clock? those processors don't really respond well at 4GHz. Got super cooling? try a cmos reset............. but the video card is still a turd!
see link.............
http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchm...
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November 14, 2013 11:30:21 AM

Yeah I'm aware of the Techspot review, I referenced it several times in several threads, and Judging by the 1920x1200 results, I would say that the 560 Ti is good enough to run low at 1080p, and why is this even a problem or a question? the OP already stated that he gets 50 to 70 fps average on these settings so it's clearly not a matter of component performance, but rather of quality or age or malfunctions.

Technology moved at such a pace that anything from a couple years ago are already "turds" yes, but for the average consumer these components are still usable and that's all that matters really, upgrading a part every year or 2 may not be an option for everyone.
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November 14, 2013 11:35:02 AM

average........... you really look at that stuff when you do your own benchmarks?......... i look for the lowest numbers. that'll tell more about the card and system than anything.
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November 14, 2013 11:43:51 AM

swifty_morgan said:
average........... you really look at that stuff when you do your own benchmarks?......... i look for the lowest numbers. that'll tell more about the card and system than anything.


I don't understand where this is going really because it just loops back to the topic at hand, OP is getting abnormal lower bound fps stutters where his whole system basically hangs for a bit, that's more than just a GPU problem in my opinion, which is why I'm also looking for problems elsewhere and not just that fact that OP has an outdated GPU.

Anyways, all this talk about whether or not he should replace his GPU or whether or not his GPU is crap is moot since he's said in the OP that he's planning on upgrading to a 280x anyway. Plus he'll have to replace his PSU anyway in order to power a 280x so might as well see if that's the problem right now.
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November 14, 2013 12:09:38 PM

already suggested that. read above. ................
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November 14, 2013 12:57:17 PM

lmaonade200 said:
swifty_morgan said:
average........... you really look at that stuff when you do your own benchmarks?......... i look for the lowest numbers. that'll tell more about the card and system than anything.


I don't understand where this is going really because it just loops back to the topic at hand, OP is getting abnormal lower bound fps stutters where his whole system basically hangs for a bit, that's more than just a GPU problem in my opinion, which is why I'm also looking for problems elsewhere and not just that fact that OP has an outdated GPU.

Anyways, all this talk about whether or not he should replace his GPU or whether or not his GPU is crap is moot since he's said in the OP that he's planning on upgrading to a 280x anyway. Plus he'll have to replace his PSU anyway in order to power a 280x so might as well see if that's the problem right now.

Yeah some people that have 560ti's run them fine at even high fps on 1920x1080, update on bf4 didn't help at all. Which is the program where it focus's mainly on your psu that you said?

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November 14, 2013 1:15:52 PM

Jared133 said:
lmaonade200 said:
swifty_morgan said:
average........... you really look at that stuff when you do your own benchmarks?......... i look for the lowest numbers. that'll tell more about the card and system than anything.


I don't understand where this is going really because it just loops back to the topic at hand, OP is getting abnormal lower bound fps stutters where his whole system basically hangs for a bit, that's more than just a GPU problem in my opinion, which is why I'm also looking for problems elsewhere and not just that fact that OP has an outdated GPU.

Anyways, all this talk about whether or not he should replace his GPU or whether or not his GPU is crap is moot since he's said in the OP that he's planning on upgrading to a 280x anyway. Plus he'll have to replace his PSU anyway in order to power a 280x so might as well see if that's the problem right now.

Yeah some people that have 560ti's run them fine at even high fps on 1920x1080, update on bf4 didn't help at all. Which is the program where it focus's mainly on your psu that you said?



It's the FurMark bench, mainly used for stressing your GPU but it will reveal problems with the PSU since it's so punishing.
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November 14, 2013 1:24:41 PM

lmaonade200 said:
Jared133 said:
lmaonade200 said:
swifty_morgan said:
average........... you really look at that stuff when you do your own benchmarks?......... i look for the lowest numbers. that'll tell more about the card and system than anything.


I don't understand where this is going really because it just loops back to the topic at hand, OP is getting abnormal lower bound fps stutters where his whole system basically hangs for a bit, that's more than just a GPU problem in my opinion, which is why I'm also looking for problems elsewhere and not just that fact that OP has an outdated GPU.

Anyways, all this talk about whether or not he should replace his GPU or whether or not his GPU is crap is moot since he's said in the OP that he's planning on upgrading to a 280x anyway. Plus he'll have to replace his PSU anyway in order to power a 280x so might as well see if that's the problem right now.

Yeah some people that have 560ti's run them fine at even high fps on 1920x1080, update on bf4 didn't help at all. Which is the program where it focus's mainly on your psu that you said?



It's the FurMark bench, mainly used for stressing your GPU but it will reveal problems with the PSU since it's so punishing.

Heres the results of the furmark set at 1080p on the preset settings http://gyazo.com/091c275a9a6ff21c58a6a32c546ced2b
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November 14, 2013 1:56:46 PM

hmm seems fine here, pretty much what you'd expect, doesn't seem like a temperature issue nor a power issue, did you have HW monitor on at the same time to see any abnormal jumps in anything like voltage, clock rates, etc?

Also, play around with some settings in game, such as Lighting and Antialiasing, lowering it may help with the stuttering though I'm not sure if it'll solve it. Does the stuttering happen on any other game btw? If it's a BF4 exclusive problem then it may just be a problem with the game itself (and may have to be fixed with a patch), try rolling back your GPU driver a stage or 2 and see if that has any effect.

It seems as though many people have this sort of problem with all sorts of hardware, I've even seen a gtx780 with stuttering problems. If nothing works you'll have to wait for a patch from EA :\

Edit:
try these
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2...
works for some people might work for you too, the most compelling ones I found specific to you are the opening post, the .Net Framework, and the rolling drivers back ones.

also which windows are you running?
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November 14, 2013 2:05:13 PM

lmaonade200 said:
hmm seems fine here, pretty much what you'd expect, doesn't seem like a temperature issue nor a power issue, did you have HW monitor on at the same time to see any abnormal jumps in anything like voltage, clock rates, etc?

Also, play around with some settings in game, such as Lighting and Antialiasing, lowering it may help with the stuttering though I'm not sure if it'll solve it. Does the stuttering happen on any other game btw? If it's a BF4 exclusive problem then it may just be a problem with the game itself (and may have to be fixed with a patch), try rolling back your GPU driver a stage or 2 and see if that has any effect.

It seems as though many people have this sort of problem with all sorts of hardware, I've even seen a gtx780 with stuttering problems. If nothing works you'll have to wait for a patch from EA :\

Edit:
try this
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2...
works for some people might work for you too, also which windows are you running?

I didn't try it with HW Monitor running in the background, I have antialiasing settings off, I don't notice any of these fps drops in bf3, and other games dont seem to do it either. On bf3 I ran on ultra with about 50-60 fps so it should run bf4 fine, could be that the drivers i was running on bf3 was different then what I have now, so I will try this.

Also im running Windows 7.
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November 14, 2013 2:56:29 PM

lmaonade200 said:
hmm seems fine here, pretty much what you'd expect, doesn't seem like a temperature issue nor a power issue, did you have HW monitor on at the same time to see any abnormal jumps in anything like voltage, clock rates, etc?

Also, play around with some settings in game, such as Lighting and Antialiasing, lowering it may help with the stuttering though I'm not sure if it'll solve it. Does the stuttering happen on any other game btw? If it's a BF4 exclusive problem then it may just be a problem with the game itself (and may have to be fixed with a patch), try rolling back your GPU driver a stage or 2 and see if that has any effect.

It seems as though many people have this sort of problem with all sorts of hardware, I've even seen a gtx780 with stuttering problems. If nothing works you'll have to wait for a patch from EA :\

Edit:
try these
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2...
works for some people might work for you too, the most compelling ones I found specific to you are the opening post, the .Net Framework, and the rolling drivers back ones.

also which windows are you running?

Ran the HW Monitor in the background everything seemed to be normal heres the screenshots.
http://gyazo.com/f9ceb19fd81440a0c1ac969f63760cc5
http://gyazo.com/e001ff44e52e6084f9aaa58be91f195f
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November 14, 2013 3:13:51 PM

looks like the power circuitry on the card is getting hot.......... major reason I stopped using those cards. also, if you disable AA and things picked up, that would be another sign the card is junk. (unable to properly render what the game is throwing at it)
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November 14, 2013 3:15:40 PM

swifty_morgan said:
looks like the power circuitry on the card is getting hot.......... major reason I stopped using those cards. also, if you disable AA and things picked up, that would be another sign the card is junk. (unable to properly render what the game is throwing at it)

Also updating that framework from the bf4 blog link you posted didnt seem to help either, so my card could just be wearing out on me, and its time for a new one? If you mean disabling AA ig, and that the ground sometimes doesn't render for about 1-2 minutes, that happens to me sometimes.


Update: Changed my nvidia driver to an older one, and seems to run more stable
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November 14, 2013 3:44:28 PM

Jared133 said:
swifty_morgan said:
looks like the power circuitry on the card is getting hot.......... major reason I stopped using those cards. also, if you disable AA and things picked up, that would be another sign the card is junk. (unable to properly render what the game is throwing at it)

Also updating that framework from the bf4 blog link you posted didnt seem to help either, so my card could just be wearing out on me, and its time for a new one? If you mean disabling AA ig, and that the ground sometimes doesn't render for about 1-2 minutes, that happens to me sometimes.


Update: Opened up my task manager while I was playing, and set the priority to high, and it seemed to get rid of those 10-20fps drops.


Hmm okay, that means your CPU might be bottlenecking your system then, if priority fixed it, it makes a bit of sense, the FX 6100 is not known for it's IPC performance. So the frame drops are gone but do you still get microstutters? like frame losses or jitters or anything?

Also, do you think you can up your CPU's clock rate a bit? I'd imagine that every little bit of performance you can push out of it will be worthwhile since it seems to be the main bottleneck. Your max temperatures on the FX peak out at 42 C, that's a pretty frosty under load temp, I think if you give it some more juice you might have a better experience, don't let it go above 63 C ish under load though. (and don't worry about that 128C reading in HWmonitor, it's a hiccup)

Glad something worked though at least :) 

Edit: and yeah judging from some posts around BF4 seems to run better on previous Nvidia drivers, just leave it as that for now and update when Nvidia releases a new driver
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November 14, 2013 3:48:50 PM

lmaonade200 said:
Jared133 said:
swifty_morgan said:
looks like the power circuitry on the card is getting hot.......... major reason I stopped using those cards. also, if you disable AA and things picked up, that would be another sign the card is junk. (unable to properly render what the game is throwing at it)

Also updating that framework from the bf4 blog link you posted didnt seem to help either, so my card could just be wearing out on me, and its time for a new one? If you mean disabling AA ig, and that the ground sometimes doesn't render for about 1-2 minutes, that happens to me sometimes.


Update: Opened up my task manager while I was playing, and set the priority to high, and it seemed to get rid of those 10-20fps drops.


Hmm okay, that means your CPU might be bottlenecking your system then, if priority fixed it, it makes a bit of sense, the FX 6100 is not known for it's IPC performance. So the frame drops are gone but do you still get microstutters? like frame losses or jitters or anything?

Also, do you think you can up your CPU's clock rate a bit? I'd imagine that every little bit of performance you can push out of it will be worthwhile since it seems to be the main bottleneck.

Glad something worked though at least :) 

Actually I just put the priority now to low, and it seems to be running the same as it was at high, so im not what changed it. That's why I changed what I said about the priority, and I changed my driver to the last update that was not a beta so it could of made it more stable. I do still get frame drops but not as bad now. I wish this could just get fixed :( . Theres no way my cpu could be causing the 560ti to bottleneck because I'm running it at fx-6350 speeds so it should be fine.

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November 14, 2013 3:55:32 PM

Ah, I see, well as for the final problem of your drops it may very well be a software issue :\ your GPU passed furmark without a hiccup (very stable frames) and your PSU and CPU are running under very ideal temperatures, so ultimately I'm out of ideas, try out windows 8? D: (nah just joking, if you don't want to switch don't lol)

You could give your CPU a bit more of an overclock and see if you can make your system muscle through the stuttering problems (I doubt it though since it seems to be a software compatibility issue :\)

Edit: and I meant that your CPU might be choking while playing BF4, since it IS a pretty heavy app after all, multiplayer is very CPU intensive (though I'm not sure if you were play mp or not) and the game in general is pretty taxing on your processor, it should theoretically be fine imo but you never know...
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November 14, 2013 3:57:06 PM

lmaonade200 said:
Ah, I see, well as for the final problem of your drops it may very well be a software issue :\ your GPU passed furmark without a hiccup (very stable frames) and your PSU and CPU are running under very ideal temperatures, so ultimately I'm out of ideas, try out windows 8? D: (nah just joking, if you don't want to switch don't lol)

You could give your CPU a bit more of an overclock and see if you can make your system muscle through the stuttering problems (I doubt it though since it seems to be a software compatibility issue :\)

So you think the final solution that could fix this could be upgrading to a 280x/770, and psu?

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November 14, 2013 3:59:48 PM

Jared133 said:
lmaonade200 said:
Ah, I see, well as for the final problem of your drops it may very well be a software issue :\ your GPU passed furmark without a hiccup (very stable frames) and your PSU and CPU are running under very ideal temperatures, so ultimately I'm out of ideas, try out windows 8? D: (nah just joking, if you don't want to switch don't lol)

You could give your CPU a bit more of an overclock and see if you can make your system muscle through the stuttering problems (I doubt it though since it seems to be a software compatibility issue :\)

So you think the final solution that could fix this could be upgrading to a 280x/770, and psu?



possibly, your experience may be smoother with a better GPU but I can't say for sure because I did see one guy with a GTX780 complain about stuttering also

when you do upgrade though be sure to get a bigger PSU, I'd say a quality 600W would be ideal.

But no, in the end I think a patch from EA will do more than any upgrade of your system will do, it has plenty of bugs atm and your stuttering may very well just be one of them.
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November 14, 2013 4:05:08 PM

lmaonade200 said:
Jared133 said:
lmaonade200 said:
Ah, I see, well as for the final problem of your drops it may very well be a software issue :\ your GPU passed furmark without a hiccup (very stable frames) and your PSU and CPU are running under very ideal temperatures, so ultimately I'm out of ideas, try out windows 8? D: (nah just joking, if you don't want to switch don't lol)

You could give your CPU a bit more of an overclock and see if you can make your system muscle through the stuttering problems (I doubt it though since it seems to be a software compatibility issue :\)

So you think the final solution that could fix this could be upgrading to a 280x/770, and psu?



possibly, your experience may be smoother with a better GPU but I can't say for sure because I did see one guy with a GTX780 complain about stuttering also

when you do upgrade though be sure to get a bigger PSU, I'd say a quality 600W would be ideal.

But no, in the end I think a patch from EA will do more than any upgrade of your system will do, it has plenty of bugs atm and your stuttering may very well just be one of them.

Alright, thanks alot man you helped me alot :) 
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November 14, 2013 4:17:28 PM

no problem, hopefully EA gets off their lazy bums soon and solves these sorts of issues!
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November 14, 2013 4:21:12 PM

lmaonade200 said:
no problem, hopefully EA gets off their lazy bums soon and solves these sorts of issues!

Last question, think I should go with the 280x over the 770? I don't really care much for nvidias features like shadowplay/etc. I would just want the card which would have more performance which I have been deciding between those two.
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November 14, 2013 4:34:30 PM

280x imo,
BF4 loves AMD graphics cards, most benchmarks show that generally AMD GPUs perform better than expected in BF4
Mantle, AMD cards 7xxx series and later have mantle support which may or may not turn out good, but an awesome bonus if it does turn out good.
Cheaper, it's less expensive than the 770 (and runs BF4 better than it)
Powerful, overall it trades blows with the 770 and nips at the heels of the 780, very good for a 300 dollar card imo

it's only weakness really is the sheer amount of power it takes to run this thing, it's rated for a whooping 250W (same as the GTX780), and this isn't even much of a weakness really, also runs pretty hot, but that's been taken care of by the manufacturers (still hotter than the GTX equivalents but not really that much of a concern).
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November 14, 2013 4:49:21 PM

lmaonade200 said:
280x imo,
BF4 loves AMD graphics cards, most benchmarks show that generally AMD GPUs perform better than expected in BF4
Mantle, AMD cards 7xxx series and later have mantle support which may or may not turn out good, but an awesome bonus if it does turn out good.
Cheaper, it's less expensive than the 770 (and runs BF4 better than it)
Powerful, overall it trades blows with the 770 and nips at the heels of the 780, very good for a 300 dollar card imo

it's only weakness really is the sheer amount of power it takes to run this thing, it's rated for a whooping 250W (same as the GTX780), and this isn't even much of a weakness really, also runs pretty hot, but that's been taken care of by the manufacturers (still hotter than the GTX equivalents but not really that much of a concern).

Alright man, thanks a bunch, I plan to go with the 280x, thanks again.

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March 20, 2014 12:45:37 PM

The thing that worked for me was to disable core packing, core packing is a feature that puts your unused cores to sleap, that is why bf4 stutters ;) 
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March 20, 2014 1:25:55 PM

Guys he's got a very respectable machine. It just shouldn't drop as low as 10 FPS. Something is definitely wrong. If you're planning to make an upgrade you should be allright though.
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