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November 14, 2013 11:30:22 PM

hello everybody, how can I configure the asus am602 QOS? I want maximum speed and maximum bandwidth for the usb port and minimum for the lan port.
the fields are shown in the picture below and the options for every field are shown in orange color.
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a b Ĉ ASUS
November 15, 2013 12:08:08 AM

you adjust the qos in windows mate. through the group policey editor... that will then configure the qos to the router.
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having access to 100% of your bandwidth does not ensure faster connection speeds. you already have access to 100% of your bandwidth when no QoS task is running; as such, if you rarely run QoS tasks, manually removing the 20% reserve will do much of nothing because you already typically have all 100%. More importantly, however, if you aren’t using all 80% of your bandwidth with the 20% reserve, then removing the 20% reserve will do nothing — you will just have extra bandwidth you are not using. I am not saying removing the reserve will do absolutely nothing

go to start, type gpedit.msc
in computer config go to admin templates/network.qos packet sheduler.
click on limit reserve bandwidth... it should show up as not configured...
click the enable tab and turn down the 20% to 0 % click apply and reboot.
you can now either disable it completely or leave it as is. either way it will have zero effect on your full bandwidth from now on.
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November 15, 2013 12:50:47 AM

HEXiT said:
you adjust the qos in windows mate. through the group policey editor... that will then configure the qos to the router.


So anyone can override the router setup and steal all the bandwidth without admin rights on the router? :??: 
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November 15, 2013 3:44:22 AM

thanks a lot for answering. all I need is to take the usb port in the highest orientation for better speed, I mean for example when the lan port computer starts downloading, then I want my computer(usb port pc) to be still able to surf the web. and as you said when I am not using the internet(usb port computer), then the lan port computer be able to use the 100% of the speed.
and I don't have access to the lan port computer. I set my bandwidth in the group policy editor for 100%. is this enough? or should I change something else too?
again, thanks a lot for quick response.
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November 15, 2013 4:20:23 AM

Is this 2 computers 1 with a usb wifi dongle? or just 1 pc?
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November 15, 2013 4:35:55 AM

HEXiT said:
you adjust the qos in windows mate. through the group policey editor... that will then configure the qos to the router.
also
having access to 100% of your bandwidth does not ensure faster connection speeds. you already have access to 100% of your bandwidth when no QoS task is running; as such, if you rarely run QoS tasks, manually removing the 20% reserve will do much of nothing because you already typically have all 100%. More importantly, however, if you aren’t using all 80% of your bandwidth with the 20% reserve, then removing the 20% reserve will do nothing — you will just have extra bandwidth you are not using. I am not saying removing the reserve will do absolutely nothing

go to start, type gpedit.msc
in computer config go to admin templates/network.qos packet sheduler.
click on limit reserve bandwidth... it should show up as not configured...
click the enable tab and turn down the 20% to 0 % click apply and reboot.
you can now either disable it completely or leave it as is. either way it will have zero effect on your full bandwidth from now on.

I set it to 100%, does it mean it's reserving 100%(i.e. all of the bandwidth) or it's using 100% of it?

allennnn said:
Is this 2 computers 1 with a usb wifi dongle? or just 1 pc?

2. one with ethernet port of the modem and another one with the usb port of the modem.
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a b Ĉ ASUS
November 15, 2013 4:51:11 AM

Unfortunately the answer is likely you are wasting your time you can never accomplish what you want to do.

Since this is a router configuration page I will assume you are not asking about pc packet marking which was covered in the other responses.

This router does not seem to have the ability to limit traffic. Marking of traffic means absolutely nothing if there is no device that takes a action on the these markings. All ISP will reset all the packet markings to zero when they get the packet anyway. Now lets assume your router could mark the packets...or your PC could using the group policy.. Then lets assume it has a way to limit as you ask and you can give priority to traffic the USB port. That sounds really good but it accomplishes nothing in most cases. This is only the traffic you send to the ISP....ie outbound or upload traffic.

The problems are almost always with incoming/download traffic. If you look at data coming to your house the problem is when the ISP router needs to put the data on the connection coming to your house. If it is full it must decide what to throw away. How would it ever know what PC is on the USB and what PC is on the ethernet.

On a corporate internet accounts there are ways to influence the traffic using things like BGP communities but even then it is only very large companies that can take advantage of it.

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November 15, 2013 5:14:18 AM

If the computer downloading is a torrent program you should limit that download and upload.

And i've had good results using QOS on routers.
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November 15, 2013 8:07:00 AM

mmahdim said:
HEXiT said:
you adjust the qos in windows mate. through the group policey editor... that will then configure the qos to the router.
also
having access to 100% of your bandwidth does not ensure faster connection speeds. you already have access to 100% of your bandwidth when no QoS task is running; as such, if you rarely run QoS tasks, manually removing the 20% reserve will do much of nothing because you already typically have all 100%. More importantly, however, if you aren’t using all 80% of your bandwidth with the 20% reserve, then removing the 20% reserve will do nothing — you will just have extra bandwidth you are not using. I am not saying removing the reserve will do absolutely nothing

go to start, type gpedit.msc
in computer config go to admin templates/network.qos packet sheduler.
click on limit reserve bandwidth... it should show up as not configured...
click the enable tab and turn down the 20% to 0 % click apply and reboot.
you can now either disable it completely or leave it as is. either way it will have zero effect on your full bandwidth from now on.

I set it to 100%, does it mean it's reserving 100%(i.e. all of the bandwidth) or it's using 100% of it?

allennnn said:
Is this 2 computers 1 with a usb wifi dongle? or just 1 pc?

2. one with ethernet port of the modem and another one with the usb port of the modem.
if you set it to 100% all your bandwidth will be reserved for QOS. thats why i said set it to 0%.
also the way your router works and how much bandwidth is allocated actually depends on the qos reserved in the group policy. so if you have a reserve of 20% it will divide that 20% as needed to the device thats using it.

so if you have 2 ports set aside in your router with a 50/50 split they will both get 10% of the qos but if you have qos set to 0 both ports will get 50% of the actual bandwidth.

as for routing through the usb, its not recomended as its controler wont show up in the routers settings so wont be subject to qos from what i gather...
http://www.biztechmagazine.com/article/2010/03/boost-ne... herers so reading if you want to look further.
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November 15, 2013 9:44:17 AM

HEXiT said:
mmahdim said:
HEXiT said:
you adjust the qos in windows mate. through the group policey editor... that will then configure the qos to the router.
also
having access to 100% of your bandwidth does not ensure faster connection speeds. you already have access to 100% of your bandwidth when no QoS task is running; as such, if you rarely run QoS tasks, manually removing the 20% reserve will do much of nothing because you already typically have all 100%. More importantly, however, if you aren’t using all 80% of your bandwidth with the 20% reserve, then removing the 20% reserve will do nothing — you will just have extra bandwidth you are not using. I am not saying removing the reserve will do absolutely nothing

go to start, type gpedit.msc
in computer config go to admin templates/network.qos packet sheduler.
click on limit reserve bandwidth... it should show up as not configured...
click the enable tab and turn down the 20% to 0 % click apply and reboot.
you can now either disable it completely or leave it as is. either way it will have zero effect on your full bandwidth from now on.

I set it to 100%, does it mean it's reserving 100%(i.e. all of the bandwidth) or it's using 100% of it?

allennnn said:
Is this 2 computers 1 with a usb wifi dongle? or just 1 pc?

2. one with ethernet port of the modem and another one with the usb port of the modem.
if you set it to 100% all your bandwidth will be reserved for QOS. thats why i said set it to 0%.
also the way your router works and how much bandwidth is allocated actually depends on the qos reserved in the group policy. so if you have a reserve of 20% it will divide that 20% as needed to the device thats using it.

so if you have 2 ports set aside in your router with a 50/50 split they will both get 10% of the qos but if you have qos set to 0 both ports will get 50% of the actual bandwidth.

as for routing through the usb, its not recomended as its controler wont show up in the routers settings so wont be subject to qos from what i gather...
http://www.biztechmagazine.com/article/2010/03/boost-ne... herers so reading if you want to look further.


thanks for the link and info. they helped a lot. but it seems as bill001g said it only makes sense on outbound packets, not for incoming. I don't know what do you mean by 'as for routing through the usb, its not recommended as its controller wont show up in the routers settings so wont be subject to qos from what i gather.' it can determine the device on usb port and show the mac address and ip of them, and it has also the option for the usb port on the qos page, and shows bytes sent and received by the usb port, etc. the thing I didn't get it was so if both router and windows have configurations for the QOS, what is the difference between them? my router has DSCP ability but so far I got from the link you sent it makes no sense on the downstream, so it won't help me at all, will it?
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a b Ĉ ASUS
November 15, 2013 11:16:58 AM

Windows has a couple things it can do. It can classify and mark packets so that other devices in the network can give them the proper priority. The common one would be for a software based ip phone. You want this traffic classified to be low latency for example.
The other thing it can do is priorities the traffic that is being sent out on the ethernet port. So if you are doing massive upload transfers at the same time you are talking on the phone it can make sure to send the voice traffic first. From a client machine point of view it is highly unlikely you will get anywhere near 1gig of traffic being sent and and small delay between packets is minimal. So although you CAN have the pc control the traffic it sends it likely will make no differnence because the PC ethernet port is seldom the bottle neck. You would be better off using the same group policies to give priority to applications (ie the soft ip phone) rather than the bit torrent. You tend to run out of memory or cpu way before you exhaust a gig-e port.

Group polices are only used to change PC they do no have affect on the router other than to allow you to mark traffic on the end device rather than the router.

We commonly use these abilities with the group policies in a corporate network where we control everything end to end but when you get the internet involved not much you can do. I really wish I could just mark my traffic as "most important" over everyone else on the internet. :) 
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