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November 16, 2013 9:36:18 AM

Greetings people that know alot more about building PCs than I do!

Ive spend a few days googling around, trying to educate myself on all the PC components, but honestly I dont feel confident without some help.

Purpose: My main purpose for the PC is gaming. My PC usage is usually just browsing internet while playing games.

Budget: As stated in the title, I got around € 2000 ($ 2700) to work with.


With my minimum amount of knowledge about building custom PCs I have tried to work something out, my question for you guys is: Could you check out what I have chosen and if there are mistakes, things that make no sense or if you simply have a way better idea.

Motherboard - ASUS Rampage IV Extreme - € 349,00
Graphics Card - MSI N770 TF 2GD5/OC - € 299,00
Power Supply - Corsair RM850 - € 139,90
Cooling - Corsair Hydro Series H80i - € 94,90
Processor - Intel® Core™ i7-3930K - € 529,00
Case - Aerocool XPredator White Edition - € 124,90
Memory - Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 177,90
Hard Drive 1 - ADATA Premier Pro SP900 ASP900S3-128GM-C, 128GB SSD - € 84,90
Hard Drive 2 - Western Digital Black, 1 TB - € 78,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

Total € 1968,30 ($ 2656,81)


Extra Questions:
- I have never worked with liquid cooling before, does that require any maintenance? like refilling or anything?
- Im planning to only use the SSD for Windows 7 (I think that makes sure the PC starts up as quick and smooth as possible?) and the other drive for all my other files and programs. Do I need a RAID configuration for that?
- I still dont fully understand if I should use 1 or 2 graphic cards, Ive seen pros and cons for it, and I think 1 card is easier and gives less issues? If Im wrong, please let me know and change the build.



I really hope I gave you guys enough information (without making it a 3hour read) so you can give me some proper advice, and preferably also the reason behind it so I can learn a bit.
p.s. dont forget the extra questions please!

Thanks in advance!
-Vossie

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November 16, 2013 9:45:47 AM

all in one liquid coolers dont require any maintenance. And you shouldn't spent so much on a cpu. 2 gpus would give you much better results. just get an i7-4770k and spend 200 on a motherboard dont spend 350. Get another 770.
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November 16, 2013 10:29:38 AM

airplanegeek said:
all in one liquid coolers dont require any maintenance. And you shouldn't spent so much on a cpu. 2 gpus would give you much better results. just get an i7-4770k and spend 200 on a motherboard dont spend 350. Get another 770.


Thanks alot for the fast reply!

Would this be what you're saying?

Motherboard - MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming - € 162,90
Graphics Card 1 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Graphics Card 2 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Power Supply - be quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 750W - € 149,90
Cooling - Corsair Hydro Series H80i - € 94,90
Processor - Intel® Core™ i7-4770K - € 304,00
Case - Aerocool XPredator White Edition - € 99,90
(somehow I was able to choose the smaller, cheaper one this time)
Memory - Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 177,90
Hard Drive 1 - Samsung 840 Pro MZ-7PD128BW, 128GB SSD - € 119,90
Hard Drive 2 - Western Digital Black, 1 TB - € 78,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

Total € 1968,30 ($ 2656,81)
Total € 1876,20 ($ 2532,49)
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November 16, 2013 10:34:51 AM

-If your sole purpose is just gaming, i7 3930k makes no sense. Just go for i5 4670k and save 300eur.
-You don't need more than 8GB of ram, games don't use that much amount of ram.
-You will be fine with less expensive motherboard, something like Asus Z87-A, it is only 133eur
-From that 433 eur cuts, you can invest in better GPU, and better SSD. Something like GTX780 or R9 290X and Samsung 840 pro
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November 16, 2013 10:43:26 AM

maurelie said:
-If your sole purpose is just gaming, i7 3930k makes no sense. Just go for i5 4670k and save 300eur.
-You don't need more than 8GB of ram, games don't use that much amount of ram.
-You will be fine with less expensive motherboard, something like Asus Z87-A, it is only 133eur
-From that 433 eur cuts, you can invest in better GPU, and better SSD. Something like GTX780 or R9 290X and Samsung 840 pro


Thanks alot for the reply!

What do you think about the new build I left in the comments (as a reply to Airplanegeek)?
Would you say a single GTX780 is better than 2x GTX770?

and I changed the SSD to the Samsung 840 pro as you suggested, looks alot better, thanks!
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November 16, 2013 10:49:26 AM

-Single GTX 780 is not better than 2 GTX 770 in performance, but is better in simplicity. You will not need extra power for single GPU, you will not generate more heat, and the main question is: do you really want to mess with two cards.
-And btw can you give me that dutch webpage that you are using to buy your parts, so i can see what they are offering and make some suggestions.
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November 16, 2013 10:49:38 AM

Vossie1990 said:
maurelie said:
-If your sole purpose is just gaming, i7 3930k makes no sense. Just go for i5 4670k and save 300eur.
-You don't need more than 8GB of ram, games don't use that much amount of ram.
-You will be fine with less expensive motherboard, something like Asus Z87-A, it is only 133eur
-From that 433 eur cuts, you can invest in better GPU, and better SSD. Something like GTX780 or R9 290X and Samsung 840 pro


Thanks alot for the reply!

What do you think about the new build I left in the comments (as a reply to Airplanegeek)?
Would you say a single GTX780 is better than 2x GTX770?

and I changed the SSD to the Samsung 840 pro as you suggested, looks alot better, thanks!


2x770's will BLOW a 780 out of the water. So keep the two 770's.

And I also reccomend an i5-4670k

Also, You can pick up a 2TB Drive instead of 1TB Western Black. Since your first drive is an SSD, The black drives are fast and loud. Your better off with a Western digital blue with 2TB

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November 16, 2013 11:05:32 AM

maurelie said:
-Single GTX 780 is not better than 2 GTX 770 in performance, but is better in simplicity. You will not need extra power for single GPU, you will not generate more heat, and the main question is: do you really want to mess with two cards.
-And btw can you give me that dutch webpage that you are using to buy your parts, so i can see what they are offering and make some suggestions.


www.alternate.nl
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November 16, 2013 11:17:31 AM

-Don't get the Pro. It's much more expensive over the Samsung 840 EVO and in real life you won't notice the difference in speed.
-The i5-4670k, Asus Z87-A, and 8gb of ram recommendations from maurelie should cut down the price a lot.
-Although SLI GTX 770s perform about 15-20% better than a single GTX 780, it's also significantly more expensive and leaves no room for expansion in the future. With a GTX 780, you can already max out any game at 1080p and you have the option to SLI in a couple of years.
-The Aerocool case isn't very high quality. You may want to look at the Fractal Design Define R4, NZXT Phantom 410, or Corsair 500R.
-The Corsair H80i isn't very great. It is loud and expensive. You'll be better off with a high end air cooler. Look at the Phanteks PH-TC14PE or Noctua NH-D14. They both perform the same, but the Phanteks comes in different color and looks a lot better.
-I would rather go with a Corsair/XFX/Seasonic 850w psu for better quality and more headroom.

Your website doesn't have the Phanteks cooler, but they have the Noctua one: http://www.alternate.nl/Noctua/Noctua+NH-D14,_Actieve_C...
Here's the cases:
Fractal Design Define R4: http://www.alternate.nl/Fractal_Design/Fractal_Design+D...
Corsair 500R: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+Carbide_500R,_b...
Here's a better psu: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+RM850,_850_Watt...
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November 16, 2013 11:23:18 AM

Krazeee said:
Vossie1990 said:
maurelie said:
-If your sole purpose is just gaming, i7 3930k makes no sense. Just go for i5 4670k and save 300eur.
-You don't need more than 8GB of ram, games don't use that much amount of ram.
-You will be fine with less expensive motherboard, something like Asus Z87-A, it is only 133eur
-From that 433 eur cuts, you can invest in better GPU, and better SSD. Something like GTX780 or R9 290X and Samsung 840 pro


Thanks alot for the reply!

What do you think about the new build I left in the comments (as a reply to Airplanegeek)?
Would you say a single GTX780 is better than 2x GTX770?

and I changed the SSD to the Samsung 840 pro as you suggested, looks alot better, thanks!


2x770's will BLOW a 780 out of the water. So keep the two 770's.

And I also reccomend an i5-4670k

Also, You can pick up a 2TB Drive instead of 1TB Western Black. Since your first drive is an SSD, The black drives are fast and loud. Your better off with a Western digital blue with 2TB



Thanks for the advice!

There is no 2TB blue drive available on the site.

1TB Green: 24-29 dB
1TB Black: 28-33 dB
1TB Blue: 29-30 dB

Maybe go for green? or are they alot slower?
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November 16, 2013 11:26:31 AM

Go for the Blue.
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November 16, 2013 12:44:24 PM

realchaos said:
-Don't get the Pro. It's much more expensive over the Samsung 840 EVO and in real life you won't notice the difference in speed.
-The i5-4670k, Asus Z87-A, and 8gb of ram recommendations from maurelie should cut down the price a lot.
-Although SLI GTX 770s perform about 15-20% better than a single GTX 780, it's also significantly more expensive and leaves no room for expansion in the future. With a GTX 780, you can already max out any game at 1080p and you have the option to SLI in a couple of years.
-The Aerocool case isn't very high quality. You may want to look at the Fractal Design Define R4, NZXT Phantom 410, or Corsair 500R.
-The Corsair H80i isn't very great. It is loud and expensive. You'll be better off with a high end air cooler. Look at the Phanteks PH-TC14PE or Noctua NH-D14. They both perform the same, but the Phanteks comes in different color and looks a lot better.
-I would rather go with a Corsair/XFX/Seasonic 850w psu for better quality and more headroom.

Your website doesn't have the Phanteks cooler, but they have the Noctua one: http://www.alternate.nl/Noctua/Noctua+NH-D14,_Actieve_C...
Here's the cases:
Fractal Design Define R4: http://www.alternate.nl/Fractal_Design/Fractal_Design+D...
Corsair 500R: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+Carbide_500R,_b...
Here's a better psu: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+RM850,_850_Watt...


Thanks alot for the advice!

changed a couple of things, following your advice.
unfortunately I could not select the corsair 850 with my current setup (no clue why)
and somehow I still feel like I would prefer the 2x770, since 1 780 only saves me about € 75.

so this is what I came up with:

Motherboard - MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming - € 162,90
Graphics Card 1 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Graphics Card 2 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Power Supply - be quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 850W - € 224,90
Cooling - Noctua NH-D14 - € 84,90
Processor - Intel® Core™ i5-4670K - € 209,90
Case - CM Storm Stryker - € 149,90
Memory - Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 177,90
Hard Drive 1 - Samsung 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW, 120 GB SSD - € 89,90
Hard Drive 2 - Western Digital Blue, 1 TB - € 56,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

Total € 1845,10


Would this case be good? I didnt like the look of the ones you mentioned
http://www.alternate.nl/CM_Storm/CM_Storm+Stryker,_behu...
And like I said, I couldnt pick the corsair 850w power supply, so would this one do good?
http://www.alternate.nl/be_quiet!/be_quiet!+Dark_Power_Pro_10_850W,_850_Watt_voeding/html/product/1012050/?event=search
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November 16, 2013 2:58:29 PM

The Storm Stryker is a great case.
You can't add the RM850 in the cart or something? That's weird.
Here's another good one then: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+AX860,_860_Watt...

Here's a cheaper board, just as good: http://www.alternate.nl/GIGABYTE/GIGABYTE+GA-Z87X-UD3H,...

8gb of ram is plenty for games: http://www.alternate.nl/G.Skill/G.Skill+8_GB_DDR3-1866_...

Here's a GTX 780: http://www.alternate.nl/ASUS/ASUS+GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5,_gr...
It saves you € 120 and it still plays anything at 1080p. Then in a couple of years when it starts to age you can add a second one for SLI and then it will perform much better than the SLI GTX 770.


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November 16, 2013 4:09:33 PM

realchaos said:
The Storm Stryker is a great case.
You can't add the RM850 in the cart or something? That's weird.
Here's another good one then: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+AX860,_860_Watt...

Here's a cheaper board, just as good: http://www.alternate.nl/GIGABYTE/GIGABYTE+GA-Z87X-UD3H,...

8gb of ram is plenty for games: http://www.alternate.nl/G.Skill/G.Skill+8_GB_DDR3-1866_...

Here's a GTX 780: http://www.alternate.nl/ASUS/ASUS+GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5,_gr...
It saves you € 120 and it still plays anything at 1080p. Then in a couple of years when it starts to age you can add a second one for SLI and then it will perform much better than the SLI GTX 770.




Couldnt pick any of the Corsair power supplies because "the graphic cards require the power supply to have 2 seperate 12 volt circuits". So I couldnt SLI any cards with corsair, according to the website atleast.

Doesnt matter anymore tho, seeing as you advice me to get a single 780 card.

so, I guess the final build would be:

Cooling - Noctua NH-D14 - € 84,90
Graphics - ASUS GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5 - € 479,00
CPU - Intel® Core™ i5-4670K - € 209,90
Power - Corsair RM850 - € 139,90
Case - CM Storm Stryker - € 149,90
Drive 1 - Samsung 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW, 120 GB SSD - € 89,90
Drive 2 - Western Digital Blue, 1 TB - € 56,90
Motherboard - GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD3H - € 149,90
Memory - G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 76,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

Total - € 1527,10


Added links so you could check out if Im 100% correct
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November 16, 2013 4:30:35 PM

You can SLI with the RM850.
Now that build looks great!
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November 16, 2013 4:35:55 PM

realchaos said:
You can SLI with the RM850.
Now that build looks great!


Thanks ALOT for all your help!
Guess Ill be enjoying my new pc soon enough, and for a long time to come!

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