Need help, First PC build, High budget (€ 2000 / $ 2700)

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Vossie1990

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Greetings people that know alot more about building PCs than I do!

Ive spend a few days googling around, trying to educate myself on all the PC components, but honestly I dont feel confident without some help.

Purpose: My main purpose for the PC is gaming. My PC usage is usually just browsing internet while playing games.

Budget: As stated in the title, I got around € 2000 ($ 2700) to work with.


With my minimum amount of knowledge about building custom PCs I have tried to work something out, my question for you guys is: Could you check out what I have chosen and if there are mistakes, things that make no sense or if you simply have a way better idea.

Motherboard - ASUS Rampage IV Extreme - € 349,00
Graphics Card - MSI N770 TF 2GD5/OC - € 299,00
Power Supply - Corsair RM850 - € 139,90
Cooling - Corsair Hydro Series H80i - € 94,90
Processor - Intel® Core™ i7-3930K - € 529,00
Case - Aerocool XPredator White Edition - € 124,90
Memory - Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 177,90
Hard Drive 1 - ADATA Premier Pro SP900 ASP900S3-128GM-C, 128GB SSD - € 84,90
Hard Drive 2 - Western Digital Black, 1 TB - € 78,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

Total € 1968,30 ($ 2656,81)


Extra Questions:
- I have never worked with liquid cooling before, does that require any maintenance? like refilling or anything?
- Im planning to only use the SSD for Windows 7 (I think that makes sure the PC starts up as quick and smooth as possible?) and the other drive for all my other files and programs. Do I need a RAID configuration for that?
- I still dont fully understand if I should use 1 or 2 graphic cards, Ive seen pros and cons for it, and I think 1 card is easier and gives less issues? If Im wrong, please let me know and change the build.



I really hope I gave you guys enough information (without making it a 3hour read) so you can give me some proper advice, and preferably also the reason behind it so I can learn a bit.
p.s. dont forget the extra questions please!

Thanks in advance!
-Vossie
 
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airplanegeek

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all in one liquid coolers dont require any maintenance. And you shouldn't spent so much on a cpu. 2 gpus would give you much better results. just get an i7-4770k and spend 200 on a motherboard dont spend 350. Get another 770.
 
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Thanks alot for the fast reply!

Would this be what you're saying?

Motherboard - MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming - € 162,90
Graphics Card 1 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Graphics Card 2 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Power Supply - be quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 750W - € 149,90
Cooling - Corsair Hydro Series H80i - € 94,90
Processor - Intel® Core™ i7-4770K - € 304,00
Case - Aerocool XPredator White Edition - € 99,90
(somehow I was able to choose the smaller, cheaper one this time)
Memory - Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 177,90
Hard Drive 1 - Samsung 840 Pro MZ-7PD128BW, 128GB SSD - € 119,90
Hard Drive 2 - Western Digital Black, 1 TB - € 78,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

[strike]Total € 1968,30 ($ 2656,81)[/strike]
Total € 1876,20 ($ 2532,49)
 
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-If your sole purpose is just gaming, i7 3930k makes no sense. Just go for i5 4670k and save 300eur.
-You don't need more than 8GB of ram, games don't use that much amount of ram.
-You will be fine with less expensive motherboard, something like Asus Z87-A, it is only 133eur
-From that 433 eur cuts, you can invest in better GPU, and better SSD. Something like GTX780 or R9 290X and Samsung 840 pro
 
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Thanks alot for the reply!

What do you think about the new build I left in the comments (as a reply to Airplanegeek)?
Would you say a single GTX780 is better than 2x GTX770?

and I changed the SSD to the Samsung 840 pro as you suggested, looks alot better, thanks!
 
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-Single GTX 780 is not better than 2 GTX 770 in performance, but is better in simplicity. You will not need extra power for single GPU, you will not generate more heat, and the main question is: do you really want to mess with two cards.
-And btw can you give me that dutch webpage that you are using to buy your parts, so i can see what they are offering and make some suggestions.
 
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2x770's will BLOW a 780 out of the water. So keep the two 770's.

And I also reccomend an i5-4670k

Also, You can pick up a 2TB Drive instead of 1TB Western Black. Since your first drive is an SSD, The black drives are fast and loud. Your better off with a Western digital blue with 2TB

 
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www.alternate.nl
 
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-Don't get the Pro. It's much more expensive over the Samsung 840 EVO and in real life you won't notice the difference in speed.
-The i5-4670k, Asus Z87-A, and 8gb of ram recommendations from maurelie should cut down the price a lot.
-Although SLI GTX 770s perform about 15-20% better than a single GTX 780, it's also significantly more expensive and leaves no room for expansion in the future. With a GTX 780, you can already max out any game at 1080p and you have the option to SLI in a couple of years.
-The Aerocool case isn't very high quality. You may want to look at the Fractal Design Define R4, NZXT Phantom 410, or Corsair 500R.
-The Corsair H80i isn't very great. It is loud and expensive. You'll be better off with a high end air cooler. Look at the Phanteks PH-TC14PE or Noctua NH-D14. They both perform the same, but the Phanteks comes in different color and looks a lot better.
-I would rather go with a Corsair/XFX/Seasonic 850w psu for better quality and more headroom.

Your website doesn't have the Phanteks cooler, but they have the Noctua one: http://www.alternate.nl/Noctua/Noctua+NH-D14,_Actieve_CPU_koeler/html/product/143409/?tk=7&lk=9344
Here's the cases:
Fractal Design Define R4: http://www.alternate.nl/Fractal_Design/Fractal_Design+Define_R4_Black_Pearl,_behuizing/html/product/1010807/?event=search
Corsair 500R: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+Carbide_500R,_behuizing/html/product/905086/?event=search
Here's a better psu: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+RM850,_850_Watt_voeding/html/product/1092972/?tk=7&lk=9531
 
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Thanks for the advice!

There is no 2TB blue drive available on the site.

1TB Green: 24-29 dB
1TB Black: 28-33 dB
1TB Blue: 29-30 dB

Maybe go for green? or are they alot slower?
 
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Thanks alot for the advice!

changed a couple of things, following your advice.
unfortunately I could not select the corsair 850 with my current setup (no clue why)
and somehow I still feel like I would prefer the 2x770, since 1 780 only saves me about € 75.

so this is what I came up with:

Motherboard - MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming - € 162,90
Graphics Card 1 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Graphics Card 2 - EVGA GeForce GTX 770 (02G-P4-2770-KR) - € 299,00
Power Supply - be quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 850W - € 224,90
Cooling - Noctua NH-D14 - € 84,90
Processor - Intel® Core™ i5-4670K - € 209,90
Case - CM Storm Stryker - € 149,90
Memory - Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 177,90
Hard Drive 1 - Samsung 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW, 120 GB SSD - € 89,90
Hard Drive 2 - Western Digital Blue, 1 TB - € 56,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

Total € 1845,10


Would this case be good? I didnt like the look of the ones you mentioned
http://www.alternate.nl/CM_Storm/CM_Storm+Stryker,_behuizing/html/product/1012633/?event=search
And like I said, I couldnt pick the corsair 850w power supply, so would this one do good?
http://www.alternate.nl/be_quiet!/be_quiet!+Dark_Power_Pro_10_850W,_850_Watt_voeding/html/product/1012050/?event=search
 
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The Storm Stryker is a great case.
You can't add the RM850 in the cart or something? That's weird.
Here's another good one then: http://www.alternate.nl/Corsair/Corsair+AX860,_860_Watt_voeding/html/product/1042248/?tk=7&lk=9531

Here's a cheaper board, just as good: http://www.alternate.nl/GIGABYTE/GIGABYTE+GA-Z87X-UD3H,_socket_1150_moederbord/html/product/1081323/?tk=7&lk=9450

8gb of ram is plenty for games: http://www.alternate.nl/G.Skill/G.Skill+8_GB_DDR3-1866_Kit,_geheugen/html/product/984611/?tk=7&lk=9334

Here's a GTX 780: http://www.alternate.nl/ASUS/ASUS+GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5,_grafische_kaart/html/product/1089601/?tk=7&lk=9377
It saves you € 120 and it still plays anything at 1080p. Then in a couple of years when it starts to age you can add a second one for SLI and then it will perform much better than the SLI GTX 770.


 
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Couldnt pick any of the Corsair power supplies because "the graphic cards require the power supply to have 2 seperate 12 volt circuits". So I couldnt SLI any cards with corsair, according to the website atleast.

Doesnt matter anymore tho, seeing as you advice me to get a single 780 card.

so, I guess the final build would be:

Cooling - Noctua NH-D14 - € 84,90
Graphics - ASUS GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5 - € 479,00
CPU - Intel® Core™ i5-4670K - € 209,90
Power - Corsair RM850 - € 139,90
Case - CM Storm Stryker - € 149,90
Drive 1 - Samsung 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW, 120 GB SSD - € 89,90
Drive 2 - Western Digital Blue, 1 TB - € 56,90
Motherboard - GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD3H - € 149,90
Memory - G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1866 Kit - € 76,90
OS - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium NL - € 89,90

Total - € 1527,10


Added links so you could check out if Im 100% correct
 
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Thanks ALOT for all your help!
Guess Ill be enjoying my new pc soon enough, and for a long time to come!

 
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