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Upgrading an oldie. Quick fix and solutions please. Give your advice please.

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November 19, 2013 11:59:48 AM

Here are my old specs:

Quad Core Q9550 3.0GHz
XFX GTX 260 core 216 Black Edition (702 core / 1215 mem)
4GB Corssair XMS2 DDR2 800 (4-4-4-12) 2.1 volts
EVGA 780i Mobo
700w OCZ GamerXStream PSU
1TB Hard drive 32MB cache 7200RPM
Sound Blaster Audigy SE
Windows 7 64bit

Believe it or not, my computer still pretty much holds it own and plays most games on Ultra or High. Just now for the first time I am experiencing some lag with Battlefield 4 and realizing I am not meeting the minimum requirements for the new Call of Duty. So, its time to upgrade. I want to start with the ram first.

For the 780i mobo that I have, what is the fastest, best priced, most amount of ram I can get? I want to get about 8GB or more. Its been over 8 years or so since I have been into the computer market, so I am way behind. I need your help and am calling on the guys who are currently invested into whats out for my system. Please send links and descriptions.

Next I think I will upgrade the video card. Man, I blinked and then a thousand more options came out before I opened my eyes.

So please lets mostly focus on the ram for starters and then we can talk more about the GPU. Thanks guys.
November 19, 2013 12:11:42 PM

I just realized, I guess the quickest fix would just be buy two more sticks of the exact ram I already have. Total of 8GB and ready to go! Would that be the best way to go for right now? It would have been a good idea, but Im realizing its not easy to find my old ram.

Anyone have a link to my old stuff?
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November 19, 2013 12:14:15 PM

If you list the exact model of EVGA 780i MB, we might be able to direct you to the specs for the board. But increasing the memory to at least 8GB would be a good idea unless you are running 32 bit Windows (7?). DDR2 memory is getting scarce and usually demands a premium now. The Old C2Q is still a viable CPU for gaming. But the GTX 260 is slowing you down.
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November 19, 2013 12:15:39 PM

Yes adding 2 of the same sticks would be much cheaper but it won't be 100% that it will work. They sell them in kits for a reason, it should be fine, but if its not, the memory may not be bad.
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November 19, 2013 12:16:03 PM

Spitfire7 said:
I just realized, I guess the quickest fix would just be buy two more sticks of the exact ram I already have. Total of 8GB and ready to go! Would that be the best way to go for right now?


No garentee they would work together at all. Every day somebody comes on here with that problem.
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November 19, 2013 12:25:07 PM

chrisso said:
Spitfire7 said:
I just realized, I guess the quickest fix would just be buy two more sticks of the exact ram I already have. Total of 8GB and ready to go! Would that be the best way to go for right now?


No garentee they would work together at all. Every day somebody comes on here with that problem.


Are you saying, if I got exactly the same thing, making a total of 4 sticks @2GB that it might not work?
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November 19, 2013 12:28:05 PM

Yes that is what he's saying, Just because they are the same model with the same spec doesn't mean 5 years later they use the same exact kind of chips/boards in them. Which means they aren't guaranteed to work. I would give you over a 75% chance they will, but it is not 100% for sure.
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November 19, 2013 12:32:00 PM

im running 4gm ddr2 with a core 2 duo and a gt220 and i do well. the above is what i would do with mine
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November 19, 2013 12:33:07 PM

Supahos said:
Yes that is what he's saying, Just because they are the same model with the same spec doesn't mean 5 years later they use the same exact kind of chips/boards in them. Which means they aren't guaranteed to work. I would give you over a 75% chance they will, but it is not 100% for sure.



Okay so to play it safe, I should just get 4 brand new sticks. Anything out there with the low timing of 4-4-4-12 2.1v? Been really happy with that. Also, do you guys know if my board can handle something higher than DDR2 800?
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November 19, 2013 12:37:21 PM

if you must get ram id stay with ddr2 800 its good ram at 8gb will be expensive. 4gb is enough for most games at low to mid settings. get the cheap gpu keep the ram and put the rest into a fund to build a 500-600 dollar build like an fx-6300 6 core and an hd7850 card with ddr3 and new mobo
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November 19, 2013 12:38:02 PM

clutchc said:
If you list the exact model of EVGA 780i MB, we might be able to direct you to the specs for the board. But increasing the memory to at least 8GB would be a good idea unless you are running 32 bit Windows (7?). DDR2 memory is getting scarce and usually demands a premium now. The Old C2Q is still a viable CPU for gaming. But the GTX 260 is slowing you down.


EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard

Its this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 19, 2013 12:40:34 PM

No, that was literally the only 8gb kit (4x2gb) on newegg lol.
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November 19, 2013 12:42:36 PM

that would leave you with 4gb still... not sure how that would help you... and once again you're mixing kits, if you want to mix kits just buy more of what you have :) 
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November 19, 2013 12:44:35 PM

Supahos said:
that would leave you with 4gb still... not sure how that would help you... and once again you're mixing kits, if you want to mix kits just buy more of what you have :) 


Ah shoot, sorry, misread the description on that.
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November 19, 2013 12:49:33 PM

Is there a major difference from 4-4-4-12 to 5-5-5-18? The 4 version is better right?
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November 19, 2013 12:50:32 PM

Supahos said:
Yes that is what he's saying, Just because they are the same model with the same spec doesn't mean 5 years later they use the same exact kind of chips/boards in them. Which means they aren't guaranteed to work. I would give you over a 75% chance they will, but it is not 100% for sure.


Its not just that, its all the many timings that are set up according to the density of the batch. If they dont match you get probs. But yes. adding 2 x 2 gig is a good chance it will work ok. but if it doesnt you gotta trade it.
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November 19, 2013 12:57:05 PM

I think you would be better with 800 mhtz ram, that kit is only 667.
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November 19, 2013 12:58:03 PM

i still thing you would see a similar performance upgrade with a $70 gpu and leave the ram alone. then in a year build a new system an a new socket and ddr3 ram for a great price. you would see x4 improvement with the next build and save money now
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November 19, 2013 12:59:01 PM

You're still mixing kits, yes the 4-4-4-X stuff is better, but I dont' think I'd want to try and use 4 individual sticks to make a kit
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November 19, 2013 1:01:51 PM

NormH said:
i still thing you would see a similar performance upgrade with a $70 gpu and leave the ram alone. then in a year build a new system an a new socket and ddr3 ram for a great price. you would see x4 improvement with the next build and save money now


But all the games like COD Ghost have a minimum spec of 8GB Ram and Battlefield 4 has minimum of 4. I cant even play COD and am lagging big time with BF4 just based on ram. If I get a new gpu, I will still run into issues or bottle necks with my ram for these games right?
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November 19, 2013 1:02:41 PM

Supahos said:
You're still mixing kits, yes the 4-4-4-X stuff is better, but I dont' think I'd want to try and use 4 individual sticks to make a kit


Yeah, you gota buy it all in one pack.
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November 19, 2013 1:05:01 PM

Supahos said:
You're still mixing kits, yes the 4-4-4-X stuff is better, but I dont' think I'd want to try and use 4 individual sticks to make a kit


Oh geese, I cant even do that? Okay I am starting to understand what you mean now.

Help me with this one. Will I still have a better performance with 8GB of 5-5-5-18 compared to 4GB 4-4-4-12? Might be a stupid question, but I know sometimes I have been wrong in the past with similar questions.

Second question, would I be able to overclock that http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... to a lower timing of 4-4-4-12 without burning it up?
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November 19, 2013 1:12:33 PM

that is correct but pouring 25% of the cost of a build that can play those games on high into a system based on obsolete parts doesn't make sense. i can put together a build that plays all those on mid at about 30 fps for around 400-450 if you dont need an OS
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November 19, 2013 1:15:22 PM

Well, I have room to overclock my GPU and my CPU, but for right now everything is pointing to the ram. I have $150 to spend, but I dont have $400 to spend right now. Seems like the best and quickest solution is those 4 sticks of ram...

On a side note, is newegg the only hardware website out now?

I had a few quetions up above that were never answered. Let me know guys. Thanks.
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November 19, 2013 1:27:13 PM

NormH said:
it will be a decent increase but the gpu will hold you back a lot. http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/?gid=326&graphics=G... says it shouldnt even be able to play bf3/bf4.

when you do end up building a new one this is a good budget build(not saying to do it now just saying something to look into later) best of luck and enjoy the gaming.


I will most likely be doing both. I will be getting new ram and also a really nice GPU. That should hold me for a while.

But first, back to the Ram situation.
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November 19, 2013 1:55:40 PM

I would go with the top or bottom kit incase you do end up OCing your processor, the middle kit is taller and might interfear with your CPU cooler once you get a bigger one to OC. Performance is the same across them so might as well get the one that will fit better later if you do more upgrades.
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November 19, 2013 2:12:39 PM

Supahos said:
I would go with the top or bottom kit incase you do end up OCing your processor, the middle kit is taller and might interfear with your CPU cooler once you get a bigger one to OC. Performance is the same across them so might as well get the one that will fit better later if you do more upgrades.


Okay so other than the middle option just having a fancy heatsink, its not worth the extra money? I do have a pretty big CPU cooling fan already and my RAM is far out of the way. So the tall RAM which I actually currently have already does not really interfere. So this that not an issue, would going for the taller heatsink make any difference?
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November 19, 2013 2:15:23 PM

nope, specs are specs. No reason for that memory to run hot the big heatsink is just for looks, if you like said look there is no reason to shy away from it, but it is merely cosmetic.
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November 19, 2013 2:30:43 PM

Supahos said:
nope, specs are specs. No reason for that memory to run hot the big heatsink is just for looks, if you like said look there is no reason to shy away from it, but it is merely cosmetic.


Cool, okay. I dont care about the look.

Has anyone heard of the KomputerBay brand before? Their reviews are really good on amazon and its the best price so far. Its that for $102 out the door, or the GSkill for $164 or so out the door. What do you think?

Second question, can I overclock that 5-5-5-15 to 4-4-4-12 2.1v without damaging it?
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November 19, 2013 2:33:20 PM

Honestly I don't know you'll just have to try it and see if it works. Leave your case open and touch the sticks during a gaming session, if they are even close to what you would call hot, then return them to stock settings. I have no idea and never heard of the company, but I wouldn't put quality parts into that computer at this point I'd save the $$'s not like the GPU where you can take it to your new pc DDR2 is old and dead.
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November 19, 2013 2:47:15 PM

Well what would you guys do?

Go for the GSkill at 5-5-5-15 1.8-1.9v for $165 or so out the door

or

Komputerbay at 5-5-5-18 1.8v at $102 out the door?
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November 19, 2013 2:49:16 PM

your mobo only supports up to 1.8 if im right so the bottom one. if im wrong gskill is a solid company for ram id go with them
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November 19, 2013 2:53:55 PM

NormH said:
your mobo only supports up to 1.8 if im right so the bottom one. if im wrong gskill is a solid company for ram id go with them


I have my current ram at 4-4-4-12 2.1v. So the voltage is not an issue of either of those. Just trying to figure out which is better. The Gskill is quite more expensive. If there is a performance difference I can see that extra money valuable. If they are exactly the same, I know name has value with computer parts, so its a toss up for me right now and cant decide yet.
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November 19, 2013 3:05:33 PM

Spitfire7 said:
NormH said:
it will be a decent increase but the gpu will hold you back a lot. http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/?gid=326&graphics=G... says it shouldnt even be able to play bf3/bf4.

when you do end up building a new one this is a good budget build(not saying to do it now just saying something to look into later) best of luck and enjoy the gaming.


I will most likely be doing both. I will be getting new ram and also a really nice GPU. That should hold me for a while.

But first, back to the Ram situation.


I would say fuggit, and buy two the same as your old ones.
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November 19, 2013 4:18:15 PM

chrisso said:
Spitfire7 said:
NormH said:
it will be a decent increase but the gpu will hold you back a lot. http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/?gid=326&graphics=G... says it shouldnt even be able to play bf3/bf4.

when you do end up building a new one this is a good budget build(not saying to do it now just saying something to look into later) best of luck and enjoy the gaming.


I will most likely be doing both. I will be getting new ram and also a really nice GPU. That should hold me for a while.

But first, back to the Ram situation.


I would say fuggit, and buy two the same as your old ones.


Thats what I want to do too, but Im taking a big risk right? Also those 2 sticks are still about $100. So I could get all matching new for $102.

After I wrote this I began searching. Apparently mine doesn't even exist anymore. corsair Twin2x4096-6400C4DHX G. Mine is the C4 version and all I can find is the C5 version. Not good. I will just have to get all new sticks.
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November 20, 2013 12:23:33 AM

Guys, Im reading in other threads and people are saying to give it a shot and sometimes it works to even use a different brand of ram as long as the specs are the same? Really?????????? Can someone confirm this please?

If that is the case, then I found exactly what I need for a perfect price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... This has everything exact as mine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... This one has a little bit different voltage.

Let me know ASAP please. Thanks.
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November 20, 2013 5:29:25 AM

If everything down to CSS latency is the same then it will be fine. So 9-9-9-9-12 matched with 10-10-10-10-13 would be different even if all other specs are same
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November 20, 2013 1:07:34 PM

NormH said:
If everything down to CSS latency is the same then it will be fine. So 9-9-9-9-12 matched with 10-10-10-10-13 would be different even if all other specs are same


Can you help me double check these with my specs please? The blue ones are exactly the same right as mine? I noticed you listed 5 number. I usually see 4-4-4-12. what is the fifth number you added?
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November 20, 2013 1:08:45 PM

I also asked this question under the item on newegg. Here's the response. Can you guys all confirm this before I hit the buy button. Its looking good so far.

You asked: I cant find any Corsair memory to match my original Corsair memory, but these sticks have every spec exactly the same. Can I have a GSkill set and a Corsair set for my total 8GM of Ram? All specs are exactly the same 4-4-4-12 2.1v
Anthony: While I have not mixed GSkill and Corsair memory in a machine, I have used GSkill with Crucial Ballistix memory. In my 15+ years of working on computers, if the specs match, it will usually work. Hope this helps.
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November 20, 2013 1:17:50 PM

Spitfire7 said:
NormH said:
If everything down to CSS latency is the same then it will be fine. So 9-9-9-9-12 matched with 10-10-10-10-13 would be different even if all other specs are same


Can you help me double check these with my specs please? The blue ones are exactly the same right as mine? I noticed you listed 5 number. I usually see 4-4-4-12. what is the fifth number you added?



he just got excited and hit too many 9s & 10s.


Odds are pretty good they will play nice, if they don't swap which set you start closest to the CPU (this can actually matter). and of course set them up like this GCGC or CGCG (c= corsair g=gskill) not GGCC or CCGG. You may have to end up loosening the timings a bit or even bump voltage a tad more but it should be possible to mix them.

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November 21, 2013 1:55:42 AM

Supahos said:
Spitfire7 said:
NormH said:
If everything down to CSS latency is the same then it will be fine. So 9-9-9-9-12 matched with 10-10-10-10-13 would be different even if all other specs are same


Can you help me double check these with my specs please? The blue ones are exactly the same right as mine? I noticed you listed 5 number. I usually see 4-4-4-12. what is the fifth number you added?



he just got excited and hit too many 9s & 10s.


Odds are pretty good they will play nice, if they don't swap which set you start closest to the CPU (this can actually matter). and of course set them up like this GCGC or CGCG (c= corsair g=gskill) not GGCC or CCGG. You may have to end up loosening the timings a bit or even bump voltage a tad more but it should be possible to mix them.



Oh good information, thank you. I will place them like that.

If both are rated at 4-4-4-12 and voltage at 2.1v, please teach my why I might need to loosen up the timing or up the voltage. Thats a really high voltage already isn't it? I just want to know what to expect. Thanks for the help. Let me know.
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November 21, 2013 6:35:39 AM

You may or may not have to raise anything. I would give it a better than 50% chance it just works. However people think of memory as just chips, but there are computer boards for each module that are not identical across manufacturers and this can change the way data flows internally. So when memory is running at its maxium there is less margin for another type of memory to handle things differently. Sometimes loosening the timings one tick (5-5-5-15) or bumping voltage to 2.15v (would try timings first) can make the two behave better as both changes typically make things more stable. That is already a pretty high voltage which is why I would suggest loosening the timings first if things aren't working together. If they are stable at 5-5-5-15 you can try backing voltage back down to 2v (less stress from tight timings less voltage required for stability). Hopefully you'll put them both in and things will work, and this is pretty likely, I'm just giving you your next couple of steps if things don't work as soon as you drop them in.
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