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philz1982

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All,

I have a question about selecting parts and sizing.

Background: I have experience within the Commercial AC world so I understand how all of the components work and I understand the dynamics of push vs pull, heat transfer ect. What I do not know, because I am used to working with Refrigerant based systems, is how to size a water cooled system and which parts to pick.

I have determined through research that I need:
-4 Fan Rad (forgive the wrong terminology if used)
-1 CPU block
-2 290x GPU blocks
-(torn between if I should split the Cpu onto its own reservoir/pump/loop and the gpu on a second loop or run a single loop).
-Do I pipe all three blocks in series CPU, GPU1, GPU2, rad, res?

My only requirement is I am trying to keep the water cooling under $500 which may be impossible with the blocks for 290x's being around $120 each. If I have to go over $500 I may need to change my build around or move down to 280x's which I'd prefer not to do.

My build is posted here http://pcpartpicker.com/p/25MW1

Thanks a ton in advance,

-Phil
 
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First of all what will you do with this system/rig/computer.

you have a Closed loop water cooler for CPU in this rig/system which is a mount and run part Prefilled liquid, life time no maintenance, and a 240mm RAD are the specs of it. so you don't need any water block for CPU and Also when H100i is mounted on your CPU then there is no way to put a custom loop/water cooling system block on it.

1.What will you do on this Computer?
2.how much you know about computer parts?
3.why your building a triple display system?
4.Is $4K is your budget for computer? (Very high for a normal gaming and home use computer)
5.do you know about computer based custom Loop water cooling and leaks and other misshapes?
6.Want performance of you just show off a bit others that you have a powerful(hell like costly) home system.
don't worry about show off word all of us do that actually eveyone want to show how good he got.its human nature.:D
 
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I agree, lots of overkill in that build. You don't need a 2011 Socket MB/CPU for most things and no difference in gaming from an 4770k and hundreds cheaper. 32GB is overkill for any gaming.

If this for professional rendering or such, then nothing is overkill in that situation.

And as much as I like AMD, the r290X's heat issue scares me. I would be looking at 780ti's or something if I was going top of the line dual cards.
 
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I would take the H100i off in the event of the water cooling. I do multiple different things. The cpu/ram/monitors is because I run 12+ VM's for my hacklab. I do development coding, and graphics work on the side so I have that need also. My MAIN concern is the heat with the 290x's. I have thought of a tri-fire 280x build but the throughput on the 290x's is hire.
To answer your questions specifically.

1. I will run multiple VM's 12-16 at a time, I will do coding and some graphics work, I will also run games on my spare time (BF4, ESV, COD:Ghosts)
2.I know a little about a lot. I work as a consultant covering IT Security and development.
3. The triple display is for the VM's I might up it to 6 displays in the future. The side benefit is the AMD eyefinity if they ever get that to work right.
4. 4.5k is the budget I have 6k to play with but I want to spend less then 4.5k preferably.
5. I know about leaks and in my past life I worked on AC systems so I can seal a system pretty good. I have to imagine it would be even easier with water since the pressure changes in water are less extreme then refrigerant. (I think this is right this is going back 10 years to my AC days)
6. Not sure what the question is. I am looking to make a top line PC that will last 4+ years.



 
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you got me brother on GPU. GTX-780 is even enough for a home use/gaming system. GTX-780ti is even an overkill in my view till now when you can play any game on ultra settings on 770. AMD cards are my last choice coz they are much weaker in regard of Core/GPU then Nvidia.

second, 32 gb ram for a home based non professional/commercial production based system is overrrrrrrr kill
3rd. if he want a triple display system then he need atleast 2 way SLI or Xfire. even on 290x or 780ti for better performance.

 
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The CPU/MOBO I want to take the Ram up to 64GB as I dedicate 2-4 GB to each VM. I also dedicate the cores to clusters of VM's. I wish Intel had a 8 core I7. I looked at the AMD 8 core but it is missing to many features namely hyperthreading.

I have never had a good experience with Nvidia cards. I am going to repaste my r290x's and water cool them if I can figure this out for a reasonable price otherwise I am going to tri-fire (3) 280x's.



 
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Well you do have a need for it, so that's fine. Just see people build a build with the most expensive cpu and mb and the most ram thinking it will get them better gaming, and it won't. lol. I used to play some tourney-level gaming on half the time the most crappiest system and kicked peoples butts with their fancy towers cause it comes down to skill, but if you have a need for the monster of the system, go for it. lol.

Don't know much about water cooling, I just have a closed loop system for my cpu.
 
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According to you demand i'd changed few over kills.
This rig will run anything you want.
build this and forget about heat.
Remember CPU Is the main part in any computer system which produces heat more then 80% of all.
then 15% GPU and 5% other parts.
One back exhaust, All others intakes. more cooler Air inside will make your parts cool while CPU heat will be sucked out by the H100i block with effecting any other part straight through Rad.(do not put Rad. fans sucking air from inside of case)
80% heated air out with effect,20 %left inside. bottom,front,top Rad fans all intakes blowing air inside the case make it a freezer. so when your GPU fans are just using cooler air then the produce less heat and heat produced by other parts will be sucked out by back exhaust.
No heat problem
when you can solve heat issue with out spending even 200$ then why custom loop? Closed loop corsair CPU coolers are very fine products.

your system.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.93 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($17.25 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z87 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($234.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.00 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($506.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($506.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 900D ATX Full Tower Case ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: SilenX EFX-12-15 74.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.39 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: SilenX EFX-12-15 74.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.39 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: SilenX EFX-12-15 74.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.39 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: SilenX EFX-12-15 74.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.39 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-BV14 87.0 CFM 140mm Fan ($9.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-BV14 87.0 CFM 140mm Fan ($9.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 1200W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($299.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-16D1HT Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($109.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $3723.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-21 08:15 EST-0500)
 
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Yep,

Readily admit this is way overkill if it was a gaming rig. For some odd reason people don't take kindly to you practicing hacking techniques on their networks (go figure?) so I have to simulate a lot of what I do on virtual machines. With everything changing daily in the IT security world it takes 8 hours of practice each week to keep up with all the changes.

-Phil


 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($469.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.93 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($17.25 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($224.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.00 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($506.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($506.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 900D ATX Full Tower Case ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L4S-10AB-GP 60.9 CFM 140mm Fan ($7.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L4S-10AB-GP 60.9 CFM 140mm Fan ($7.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 1050W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($187.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-16D1HT Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($109.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $3745.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-21 08:36 EST-0500)

Or this ....Fans on your system are less reliable and less efficient but costly. so i had changed fans also.
 
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Ethical hacker ????????:D
Man don't go for windows 8 at all.there is a breach in firewall actually a bug allows any data written on C++ be aware.
even if your on a VM i can shut it down without leaving foot print in event log or anywhere in windows 7 if your running Backtrack(Any flavor) or metasploits then your advised stronglly not to use windows 8 any or windows 7 ultimate at all both have same breach that allowes port 2251 send of receive trafic even if your block it OS will show you block but that is not blocked at all. Windows 7 pro.is the best one.
this is a brotherly Advise not connected to your rig at all
 
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Ethical hacker ????????:D
Man don't go for windows 8 at all.there is a breach in firewall actually a bug allows any data written on C++ be aware.
even if your on a VM i can shut it down without leaving foot print in event log or anywhere in windows 7 if your running Backtrack(Any flavor) or metasploits then your advised stronglly not to use windows 8 any or windows 7 ultimate at all both have same breach that allowes port 2251 send of receive trafic even if your block it OS will show you block but that is not blocked at all. Windows 7 pro.is the best one.
this is a brotherly Advise not connected to your rig at all
 
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That's fairly nasty. I have Cisco gear here that should catch an anomaly in net traffic but still really nasty. I haven't played a lot with Win8. I just try to find the lone XP SP1 or Win 2000 box and foothold from there.



 
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